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State of emergency
Many of you know that I lean conservative on most things; primarily constitutional and economic issues, but am critical of both parties, and have a boatload of criticisms with respect to President Trump, along with many things that I believe he deserves tremendous credit for. I honestly try to be thoughtful in my assessment of the issues.

I am posting this out of frustration, which is probably irresponsible, but it is hopefully saving me from punching a wall and breaking my hand.

What is happening right now in response to COVID-19 is, for me, beyond upsetting. I understand there is legitimate concern, and expecting people to be responsible, vigilant, and respectful of the danger, not just to yourself, but others , should go without saying. Some government action is likewise tolerable. But to declare a "state of emergency", both by the President and the Governor , opens up cans of power abuse, and tremendous fear that shortsightedness will do long lasting damage to the economic engine which keeps everyone safe and healthy.

Reaction to a problem should be proportionate to the circumstance . While not diminishing the significance of the virus, and how contagious it appears to be, as well as the danger it poses to the elderly and those with an already depleted system, utilizing the overly broad "state of emergency "executive authority to literally forbid individuals from sitting down at a restaurant to eat throughout the entire state, or going to a gym, for example, is disproportionate to the current concern.

Most folks who get COVID-19 will have no more than modest symptomology. Not a good thing, but not life-threatening either. It will stay in their system for around 14 days;and while experts can't say for sure right now, based on what we know about most other viruses, the immune system will most likely keep people free from that virus one they have had it. People who are sick with COVID-19 do carry the virus, and can transfer it to others during the period they are contagious (about 14 days). Others, mostly the elderly, are at a much higher risk, and the mortality factor there should not be understated. That fact notwithstanding , this isn't a disease with a 50% fatality rate like in a movie where the survival of the human race is at risk.

The decisions being made right now are serious restraints on liberty and freedoms. More importantly, they are putting our economy, and the engine which makes everything go, in real jeopardy . This leads to factories and businesses closing down, and now you can't buy food, not just toilet paper, or heat your homes, and now have a very serious problem because someone wanted to use the power button for a secondary agenda, that ain't good. And if you all don't think that will happen, explain how it doesn't .

People are going to lose work because of these decisions. Many business owners will fight just to stay open, and may not hold on for long under these circumstances . The big government decision makers will legislate to use government funds to pay those who lost income from the "crisis". That is what socialism is. Government puppet-masters, who really have very little understanding of economics, or how you can't just tweak things thereafter to get things back to normal, will be compounding the problem with further bad decisions based on a similar thought process as the one which is getting us in trouble right now.

I have been encouraged to close my courthouse. Haven't done it yet, because people need access to the courts, and I still see very little benefit to closing, when compared to the cons. Soon enough though I suspect someone higher on the decision making ladder will override my call, and will shut us down. Staff will be out of work for a while, even if they get some compensation aid courtesy of taxpayers, and the ability to access the courts will be gone for those who need it. Prisoners are already being released in mass, at the simple stroke of a pen, from jails. I'm not making this up.

These decisions, and the new order, may be for 30 days as of today, but who thinks that our circumstances are not going to be worse in 30 or 60 days? If the threshold right now is a handful of identified people who have tested positive for the virus in Michigan, and no known deaths, what makes anyone think that in a few months the measurables will be better?

I know many, and probably most will attack my comments here. But brothers and sisters, the reactions are not proportionate to the problem we are attempting to remedy , and once more, they are dangerous on multiple fronts.
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We don’t know if a change of seasons will slow the spread or completely stop it. We hope it does but we have to go with the science given and know that an r(0) of 2.2 or 2.7 as I’ve seen in other sources means that 100 cases will quickly add 220 on the conservative end, and those 220 will propagate 484 more, 1065 more ..and so on. So as early as we are in this we will see a drastic increase barring nature or society from slowing it. My money is not on our society to form a speed bump as nonchalant that people are about it. We should heed the warnings from those experiencing the hurricane this moment.

It’s true that for most it will be a minor illness but for many, about 20% will require hospitalization, some will need intensive care and ventilation to stay alive. Many healthcare workers will be infected further challenging the systems ability to keep up. I fully understand the economic implications. But to allow this to overrun the system will kill the 1-3% Coronavirus patients, other patients that didn’t have access to ventilation, stroke and heart attack patients, people who had complications from surgeries or other respiratory issues.

We don’t quite know the implications for those who recover from this. From what I’ve read some who had severe cases have lingering respiratory problems. This may have a bearing on not only quality of life but lack of productivity and future hospitalizations as a result.

The questions we don’t quite have answers to are how far do we go to try to slow this and what is the price if we don’t?

I just filled out my questionnaire for jury duty at federal court in Port Huron, I wonder if court will be open at the end of this month.
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(03-16-2020 07:51 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  We don’t know if a change of seasons will slow the spread or completely stop it. We hope it does but we have to go with the science given and know that an r(0) of 2.2 or 2.7 as I’ve seen in other sources means that 100 cases will quickly add 220 on the conservative end, and those 220 will propagate 484 more, 1065 more ..and so on. So as early as we are in this we will see a drastic increase barring nature or society from slowing it. My money is not on our society to form a speed bump as nonchalant that people are about it. We should heed the warnings from those experiencing the hurricane this moment.

It’s true that for most it will be a minor illness but for many, about 20% will require hospitalization, some will need intensive care and ventilation to stay alive. Many healthcare workers will be infected further challenging the systems ability to keep up. I fully understand the economic implications. But to allow this to overrun the system will kill the 1-3% Coronavirus patients, other patients that didn’t have access to ventilation, stroke and heart attack patients, people who had complications from surgeries or other respiratory issues.

We don’t quite know the implications for those who recover from this. From what I’ve read some who had severe cases have lingering respiratory problems. This may have a bearing on not only quality of life but lack of productivity and future hospitalizations as a result.

The questions we don’t quite have answers to are how far do we go to try to slow this and what is the price if we don’t?

I just filled out my questionnaire for jury duty at federal court in Port Huron, I wonder if court will be open at the end of this month.

I'm guessing you won't have to report to jury duty. The federal courts are separate from the state courts, where I am, but I just signed an order adjourning all jury trials for at least thirty days, with the expectation that they will he adjourned again, maybe several times, after that. I am a chief judge for all of the courts in four counties, and can tell you we are being guided towards limiting all hearings until further notice.
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I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.
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(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.

I agree. I wish we'd just rip the band aid off and go into quarantine for two weeks. Quarantine is going to happen eventually. Delaying the inevitable is just making the situation worse.

I too have been following the situation closely and was mocked by friends, family and co-workers early last week when I told everyone to go get supplies. My boss even gave me a big speech about how little the corona virus would impact our lives in the USA. Not even 3 days after that conversation schools were shutting down, sports were cancelled, and social distancing campaign began.

And yet here we are, people still aren't taking this as seriously as they should.
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Interesting how Hong Kong managed it. Keep in mind they as a society and govmt had to deal with the SARS outbreak so they were more prepared than most countries. They hunkered down for at least 3 weeks. Managed to bring people back to work in an organized manner. They’re not 100% back to normal but are getting closer.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/corona...yptr=yahoo
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(03-17-2020 10:17 AM)Nacho Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.

I agree. I wish we'd just rip the band aid off and go into quarantine for two weeks. Quarantine is going to happen eventually. Delaying the inevitable is just making the situation worse.

I too have been following the situation closely and was mocked by friends, family and co-workers early last week when I told everyone to go get supplies. My boss even gave me a big speech about how little the corona virus would impact our lives in the USA. Not even 3 days after that conversation schools were shutting down, sports were cancelled, and social distancing campaign began.

And yet here we are, people still aren't taking this as seriously as they should.

Theoretically, if everyone in the country was quarantined for two weeks, stating now, and without exception, the virus would be close to gone. If it is going to happen, lets do it now and get it over with.
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(03-17-2020 02:19 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 10:17 AM)Nacho Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.

I agree. I wish we'd just rip the band aid off and go into quarantine for two weeks. Quarantine is going to happen eventually. Delaying the inevitable is just making the situation worse.

I too have been following the situation closely and was mocked by friends, family and co-workers early last week when I told everyone to go get supplies. My boss even gave me a big speech about how little the corona virus would impact our lives in the USA. Not even 3 days after that conversation schools were shutting down, sports were cancelled, and social distancing campaign began.

And yet here we are, people still aren't taking this as seriously as they should.

Theoretically, if everyone in the country was quarantined for two weeks, stating now, and without exception, the virus would be close to gone. If it is going to happen, lets do it now and get it over with.

Most of what I read indicates this not to be the case. Couple of problems: 1. the whole world is not handling this the same way. We could lock down America for 2 weeks or so and more or less eradicate this, but once travel resumes it will be back. 2. We can't quite literally lock everyone down. There are still a lot of workers, in healthcare, food supply, utility supply, construction, etc. who will be exempt. And because of the way the symptoms work (many people asymptomatic but carrying for 4 days or sometimes the length of the infection), those workers will continue to pass thid along.

That's why most medical authorities seem to advise against a full lockdown. We can't eradicate. Just slow down. So stay home as much as your circumstances possibly permit, is the basic deal.

I wish people could be reasonable and listen to that without being forced to..
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(03-17-2020 03:21 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:19 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 10:17 AM)Nacho Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.

I agree. I wish we'd just rip the band aid off and go into quarantine for two weeks. Quarantine is going to happen eventually. Delaying the inevitable is just making the situation worse.

I too have been following the situation closely and was mocked by friends, family and co-workers early last week when I told everyone to go get supplies. My boss even gave me a big speech about how little the corona virus would impact our lives in the USA. Not even 3 days after that conversation schools were shutting down, sports were cancelled, and social distancing campaign began.

And yet here we are, people still aren't taking this as seriously as they should.

Theoretically, if everyone in the country was quarantined for two weeks, stating now, and without exception, the virus would be close to gone. If it is going to happen, lets do it now and get it over with.

Most of what I read indicates this not to be the case. Couple of problems: 1. the whole world is not handling this the same way. We could lock down America for 2 weeks or so and more or less eradicate this, but once travel resumes it will be back. 2. We can't quite literally lock everyone down. There are still a lot of workers, in healthcare, food supply, utility supply, construction, etc. who will be exempt. And because of the way the symptoms work (many people asymptomatic but carrying for 4 days or sometimes the length of the infection), those workers will continue to pass thid along.

That's why most medical authorities seem to advise against a full lockdown. We can't eradicate. Just slow down. So stay home as much as your circumstances possibly permit, is the basic deal.

I wish people could be reasonable and listen to that without being forced to..

Yes, international travel does pose a big problem. However, we could even allow it so long as we put travelers in quarantine.

I think I we can follow South Korea or Japan’s model, we just need to buy time for a massive and unprecedented buildup of testing capability, at which point you don’t need massive lockdowns.
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(03-17-2020 02:17 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Interesting how Hong Kong managed it. Keep in mind they as a society and govmt had to deal with the SARS outbreak so they were more prepared than most countries. They hunkered down for at least 3 weeks. Managed to bring people back to work in an organized manner. They’re not 100% back to normal but are getting closer.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/corona...yptr=yahoo

While encouraging, it's difficult to compare/contrast against Hong Kong and Singapore. It's gotta be far easier and faster managing crises in places the size of Kalamazoo County, not to mention far more culturally homogeneous.
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(03-18-2020 09:12 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 03:21 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:19 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 10:17 AM)Nacho Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.

I agree. I wish we'd just rip the band aid off and go into quarantine for two weeks. Quarantine is going to happen eventually. Delaying the inevitable is just making the situation worse.

I too have been following the situation closely and was mocked by friends, family and co-workers early last week when I told everyone to go get supplies. My boss even gave me a big speech about how little the corona virus would impact our lives in the USA. Not even 3 days after that conversation schools were shutting down, sports were cancelled, and social distancing campaign began.

And yet here we are, people still aren't taking this as seriously as they should.

Theoretically, if everyone in the country was quarantined for two weeks, stating now, and without exception, the virus would be close to gone. If it is going to happen, lets do it now and get it over with.

Most of what I read indicates this not to be the case. Couple of problems: 1. the whole world is not handling this the same way. We could lock down America for 2 weeks or so and more or less eradicate this, but once travel resumes it will be back. 2. We can't quite literally lock everyone down. There are still a lot of workers, in healthcare, food supply, utility supply, construction, etc. who will be exempt. And because of the way the symptoms work (many people asymptomatic but carrying for 4 days or sometimes the length of the infection), those workers will continue to pass thid along.

That's why most medical authorities seem to advise against a full lockdown. We can't eradicate. Just slow down. So stay home as much as your circumstances possibly permit, is the basic deal.

I wish people could be reasonable and listen to that without being forced to..

Yes, international travel does pose a big problem. However, we could even allow it so long as we put travelers in quarantine.

I think I we can follow South Korea or Japan’s model, we just need to buy time for a massive and unprecedented buildup of testing capability, at which point you don’t need massive lockdowns.

We'r'e way behind in testing, that's one of the major problems. Those who are infected do not know it, and even if they're following all the rules and are limiting social contact as much as possible, they could still be spreading it because they are not in a full quarantine. We need tests available everywhere and for free so that we can get a handle on what is actually going on.
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I've read that average age of of the deaths in US is 80 and most also had pre-existing conditions. Also, I've seen that out of the 7000+ active KNOWN cases, only 12 are in serious/critical condition. We've had 100 die out of the known 7000 infections, roughly 1.4%. Let's be conservative and say there have only been 100,000 people unknowingly infected. Mortality rate drops to under .1%

Not so sure this required police state and global recession. I guess it will be a good training exercise when the big one does come.
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I tend to have thoughts similar to Brovol. I've wrestled with the idea of mass shutdowns of darn near everything but have come to feel that if this does bend the curve and allow us to avoid having hospitals inundated with crowds they are unprepared for, I'm OK with it.

One thing I'll bet that most here will agree with me on is......

Life with NO SPORTS sucks!

I'm most concerned with the many small businesses that will go under due to our own government. That truly sucks for those business owners and their employees. In that case, the response will have been worse than the illness.

As far as I can tell from what I've seen, heard and read, the biggest offenders as far as not following guidelines are the millenials. So now you can not go out to eat or get a drink where I live. Closed, except for take out or drive through. No drive through liquor stores here - this ain't Wyoming.
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(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.
I am very conservative as well. It took me a while to understand (& I still question it a lot) but I think seeing the whole world & our government (both sides of the aisle) taking it seriously convinced me this was the best move.

Couple things:
I definitely agree the government & health officials need to stop saying 'could be shut down all summer' etc. Take it 2 weeks at a time. We can't shut it down forever, we can't eliminate all cases, so if things are looking better in 2 weeks, open it all back up. & keep doing it in 2 week increments.

Also, my biggest concern is all these stimulus packages. It seems very early to be doing these. I understand trying to help those living paycheck-to-paycheck & small businesses, but anything else this early seems way too premature.
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(03-18-2020 02:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I've read that average age of of the deaths in US is 80 and most also had pre-existing conditions. Also, I've seen that out of the 7000+ active KNOWN cases, only 12 are in serious/critical condition. We've had 100 die out of the known 7000 infections, roughly 1.4%. Let's be conservative and say there have only been 100,000 people unknowingly infected. Mortality rate drops to under .1%

Not so sure this required police state and global recession. I guess it will be a good training exercise when the big one does come.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This is where I get my information from.

Those in serious/critical condition, every time I check, has a % so small it's 0, even tho the Deaths continue climbing, so I'm not sure where that number's coming from.

Also, there was a huge spike in deaths today, according to this site. Went from about 120 to 150. Recoveries today have just been around 100. Today was not a good day, but hopefully the number Recovered continues to climb.
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(03-18-2020 05:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 09:19 AM)RunningGame Wrote:  I'm almost certainly the most conservative guy in here, but I think these steps are largely worth it.

However, I would make it a little more drastic and limit it to 14 days. Give everyone but the essentials a two-week vacation to limit the spread. Go back to work with heightened cleaning measures, then revisit based on the numbers with much higher testing capacity.

I've been following this since January, and I knew something like this was coming. However, you are right that this is not Ebola or Nipah or even Cholera, and 200 years ago this would be but a blip in everyone's daily lives of dodging dysentery and smallpox. I wonder if we are overreacting a little too much if we're shutting thing down for MONTHS, instead of the incubation period.
I am very conservative as well. It took me a while to understand (& I still question it a lot) but I think seeing the whole world & our government (both sides of the aisle) taking it seriously convinced me this was the best move.

Couple things:
I definitely agree the government & health officials need to stop saying 'could be shut down all summer' etc. Take it 2 weeks at a time. We can't shut it down forever, we can't eliminate all cases, so if things are looking better in 2 weeks, open it all back up. & keep doing it in 2 week increments.

Also, my biggest concern is all these stimulus packages. It seems very early to be doing these. I understand trying to help those living paycheck-to-paycheck & small businesses, but anything else this early seems way too premature.

The bottom ~45% of the country has a median income of $18,000, and many of those people work multiple jobs. They are paycheck to paycheck, and cannot afford to have a slush fund for suddenly being out of work.
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RE: State of emergency
(03-18-2020 05:43 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 02:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I've read that average age of of the deaths in US is 80 and most also had pre-existing conditions. Also, I've seen that out of the 7000+ active KNOWN cases, only 12 are in serious/critical condition. We've had 100 die out of the known 7000 infections, roughly 1.4%. Let's be conservative and say there have only been 100,000 people unknowingly infected. Mortality rate drops to under .1%

Not so sure this required police state and global recession. I guess it will be a good training exercise when the big one does come.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This is where I get my information from.

Those in serious/critical condition, every time I check, has a % so small it's 0, even tho the Deaths continue climbing, so I'm not sure where that number's coming from.

Also, there was a huge spike in deaths today, according to this site. Went from about 120 to 150. Recoveries today have just been around 100. Today was not a good day, but hopefully the number Recovered continues to climb.

There are, most likely, a ton of people getting this and recovering while never being tested. Some never show symptoms. The tested numbers are skewed toward those with worse symptoms.
03-18-2020 10:19 PM
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RE: State of emergency
(03-18-2020 10:19 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 05:43 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 02:18 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I've read that average age of of the deaths in US is 80 and most also had pre-existing conditions. Also, I've seen that out of the 7000+ active KNOWN cases, only 12 are in serious/critical condition. We've had 100 die out of the known 7000 infections, roughly 1.4%. Let's be conservative and say there have only been 100,000 people unknowingly infected. Mortality rate drops to under .1%

Not so sure this required police state and global recession. I guess it will be a good training exercise when the big one does come.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This is where I get my information from.

Those in serious/critical condition, every time I check, has a % so small it's 0, even tho the Deaths continue climbing, so I'm not sure where that number's coming from.

Also, there was a huge spike in deaths today, according to this site. Went from about 120 to 150. Recoveries today have just been around 100. Today was not a good day, but hopefully the number Recovered continues to climb.

There are, most likely, a ton of people getting this and recovering while never being tested. Some never show symptoms. The tested numbers are skewed toward those with worse symptoms.

So, I could be a "COVID-19 survivor" and not even know about it? At what point can I get a bumper sticker?
03-19-2020 07:51 AM
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RE: State of emergency
Interesting:

Trump response timeline.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: "I didn't know people died from the flu."
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”
March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 16: “We have a problem that a month ago nobody ever thought about.”
March 17: "I've always known this is a real--this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
March 18: “We have very great approval numbers, people like the job we are doing,”
March 18: "I always treated the Chinese Virus very seriously,"
Edit : https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...us-claims/
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RE: State of emergency
The depths of the man's pathologies and-or psychoses are mind-numbing.
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