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RE: Coach Siddle on NC Sports Network
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(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.


Coaches don't stick around long enough here for a long-term plan to play out. Let's hope Siddle has success AND sticks around for a while and/or leaves us with a quality assistant to take over when he's gone.

Yes, success should breed more success. But non-DI games do nothing for you, and it's proven difficult to schedule fellow mid-majors who have a large variety of goals and budgets that don't always align with ours, forcing us to go the non-DI route.

Thus that leaves us with choosing between buy games and non-DI. I'll choose the former every time. We may not win those in the early years but it gives the team valuable experience. You can't win big games in the regular season if you don't schedule them.

And we certainly could use the money.
Not only do coaches not stick around long enough, but good P5s don't want any part of you if you are a good mid. Carolina wouldn't sniff us in the early 2000's everything to lose and nothing to gain on their part. It's easier to schedule good P5's before you get good.

Yep. All success does for you from a scheduling perspective is to maybe get you better games with fellow mid-majors or some bottom half A-10 type teams. Like when we played @ Saint Bomaventure.
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(03-18-2020 04:09 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
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(03-17-2020 05:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 04:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.


Coaches don't stick around long enough here for a long-term plan to play out. Let's hope Siddle has success AND sticks around for a while and/or leaves us with a quality assistant to take over when he's gone.

Yes, success should breed more success. But non-DI games do nothing for you, and it's proven difficult to schedule fellow mid-majors who have a large variety of goals and budgets that don't always align with ours, forcing us to go the non-DI route.

Thus that leaves us with choosing between buy games and non-DI. I'll choose the former every time. We may not win those in the early years but it gives the team valuable experience. You can't win big games in the regular season if you don't schedule them.

And we certainly could use the money.
Not only do coaches not stick around long enough, but good P5s don't want any part of you if you are a good mid. Carolina wouldn't sniff us in the early 2000's everything to lose and nothing to gain on their part. It's easier to schedule good P5's before you get good.

Yep. All success does for you from a scheduling perspective is to maybe get you better games with fellow mid-majors or some bottom half A-10 type teams. Like when we played @ Saint Bomaventure.

It takes a long time to become one of the "respected" mid majors instead of just another mid major, which is why there are so few. It's a process, not luck, and schools and fans have to exhibit patience in the process.

You can discount that game at St. Bonaventure, but beating an team in the A10 away, that has had long term success, is how you earn mid major respect and eventually get a home and home instead of a one and done pay game(btw, that was a pay game because A10 teams can afford those and we can't). And those home and home games are what then allow you to move away from playing the Campbells and High Points of the world and instead play the VCU's in more home and homes. Davidson is a prime example, and we're fortunate to have had some home and homes with them.

Home and home games against top shelf midmajors is the sweet spot for a school like UNCW. That's when you have your best chance to get the W's against a top notch OOC RPI schedule before you get into conference play. Then, if you finish top three in your conference but don't win the tournament, you have a chance at an at large bid. Beating a UCLA in a pay/away game is nice, but having 2-3 wins over Davidson, St. Bonaventure, Witchita St., VCU is where you legitamize your program in the eyes of the selection committee as a mid major. And your best chance to do that is at home. UCLA isn't going home and home with UNCW, ever.

The CAA does not currently have the overall rpi to get anyone over the top as an at large with a great conference record like the A10. If CAA teams are all playing P5 teams in pay/away road games, we're operating on a hope and prayer each year that one of the CAA teams happens to be good enough to not only beat a few P5 teams on the road, but also blow through the CAA with two losses or less AND lose the CAA tournament so we get a second bid. That's not a recipe for success built on process, that's playing the lottery and hoping you hit the right numbers. And the CAA hasn't hit the multiple bid lottery in awhile.
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Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.
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(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.
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(03-18-2020 06:56 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.

Unfortunately 3 of those games were buy games... Boise State, Davidson, and Vanderbilt. Not to mention the team had to play in Boise the day after Thanksgiving because the Stanford game wasn't a full buy game. I'd prefer playing the teams from the SoCon and Big South that will do the home and homes with us and mix in a couple buy games. The McGrath type schedules would've been nice if we built off Keatts' success but things went the opposite and we ended up getting embarrassed for the most part. Maybe in a few years we can go back to those schedules, but I'd rather see something different the next couple of seasons.
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(03-18-2020 07:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:56 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.

Unfortunately 3 of those games were buy games... Boise State, Davidson, and Vanderbilt. Not to mention the team had to play in Boise the day after Thanksgiving because the Stanford game wasn't a full buy game. I'd prefer playing the teams from the SoCon and Big South that will do the home and homes with us and mix in a couple buy games. The McGrath type schedules would've been nice if we built off Keatts' success but things went the opposite and we ended up getting embarrassed for the most part. Maybe in a few years we can go back to those schedules, but I'd rather see something different the next couple of seasons.


Precisely what I'm trying to say. Scheduling was one of the few things C.B. did well here, and I would be more than pleased if that's the kind of a schedule Siddle can put together.
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RE: Coach Siddle on NC Sports Network
(03-18-2020 07:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:56 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.

Unfortunately 3 of those games were buy games... Boise State, Davidson, and Vanderbilt. Not to mention the team had to play in Boise the day after Thanksgiving because the Stanford game wasn't a full buy game. I'd prefer playing the teams from the SoCon and Big South that will do the home and homes with us and mix in a couple buy games. The McGrath type schedules would've been nice if we built off Keatts' success but things went the opposite and we ended up getting embarrassed for the most part. Maybe in a few years we can go back to those schedules, but I'd rather see something different the next couple of seasons.

So you would rather play cupcakes than compete ? To me there is no logic to that at all unless you just want to say look at my record because it means nothing. If you want respect you have to earn it on the court by playing good teams. Take on any and all legit programs who will play and go wherever you have to make it happen. Or you can hide out in Wilmington and play Coker College.
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(03-18-2020 09:21 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 07:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:56 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.

Unfortunately 3 of those games were buy games... Boise State, Davidson, and Vanderbilt. Not to mention the team had to play in Boise the day after Thanksgiving because the Stanford game wasn't a full buy game. I'd prefer playing the teams from the SoCon and Big South that will do the home and homes with us and mix in a couple buy games. The McGrath type schedules would've been nice if we built off Keatts' success but things went the opposite and we ended up getting embarrassed for the most part. Maybe in a few years we can go back to those schedules, but I'd rather see something different the next couple of seasons.

So you would rather play cupcakes than compete ? To me there is no logic to that at all unless you just want to say look at my record because it means nothing. If you want respect you have to earn it on the court by playing good teams. Take on any and all legit programs who will play and go wherever you have to make it happen. Or you can hide out in Wilmington and play Coker College.

Last time I checked Coker College didn't play in the Big South or the SoCon. I've clearly stated I want play less Non-D1s. There are plenty of mid major colleges that are in the area that we shouldn't have to schedule Boise State and Stanford. Going across the country to get our butts kicked doesn't do any good either. Davidson would be a good rival but even they are paying us to go play them and we weren't competitive. When we get to that level we can start scheduling like that. Stop trying to twist my words around.
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I know we have some rebuilding to do. But the time of being scared of playing P5s should be long gone. I'll take the buy games with the attitude of going in and taking their money and the win at their place. Now, I'm not advocating loading up on such games. But we need the exposure of those kind of games, along with invitational tournaments, for a number of reasons. Including recruiting. The VCUs and the Butlers didn't settle. And it eventually paid off.
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(03-18-2020 10:01 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(03-18-2020 07:45 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:56 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 06:07 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Again. I’m not counting on any opportunities at an at-large bid. Nor was I intending to hate on the Saint Bonaventure game. That was a good get, and even better to win.

Any “buy game” is better than a non-DI game. That’s really all I was trying to say. And we’re of course in agreement that we all want to play quality mids in a series. But those are obviously also tough to come by until you get established.

lol, it's the chicken and the egg! It's a slow climb to have other quality mids wanting a home and home. Playing them and beating them raises your rpi and profile, thus making you more desirable to have a home and home.

McGrath actually had a pretty good schedule along that line this year, we just didn't have the team to compete. Boise St, Davidson, Charlotte, Vanderbilt is a OOC schedule i'd take every year in a home and home.

Unfortunately 3 of those games were buy games... Boise State, Davidson, and Vanderbilt. Not to mention the team had to play in Boise the day after Thanksgiving because the Stanford game wasn't a full buy game. I'd prefer playing the teams from the SoCon and Big South that will do the home and homes with us and mix in a couple buy games. The McGrath type schedules would've been nice if we built off Keatts' success but things went the opposite and we ended up getting embarrassed for the most part. Maybe in a few years we can go back to those schedules, but I'd rather see something different the next couple of seasons.

So you would rather play cupcakes than compete ? To me there is no logic to that at all unless you just want to say look at my record because it means nothing. If you want respect you have to earn it on the court by playing good teams. Take on any and all legit programs who will play and go wherever you have to make it happen. Or you can hide out in Wilmington and play Coker College.

Last time I checked Coker College didn't play in the Big South or the SoCon. I've clearly stated I want play less Non-D1s. There are plenty of mid major colleges that are in the area that we shouldn't have to schedule Boise State and Stanford. Going across the country to get our butts kicked doesn't do any good either. Davidson would be a good rival but even they are paying us to go play them and we weren't competitive. When we get to that level we can start scheduling like that. Stop trying to twist my words around.

It's more of an attitude than a Coker College and you know that. If you play a soft schedule you will be soft when it counts most. Don't be afraid to lose or compete .
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(03-18-2020 10:52 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I know we have some rebuilding to do. But the time of being scared of playing P5s should be long gone. I'll take the buy games with the attitude of going in and taking their money and the win at their place. Now, I'm not advocating loading up on such games. But we need the exposure of those kind of games, along with invitational tournaments, for a number of reasons. Including recruiting. The VCUs and the Butlers didn't settle. And it eventually paid off.

Agree 100%
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https://www.wect.com/2020/03/20/coronavi...ddle-down/

Looks like Craig Ponder will indeed be on the staff in some capacity. Another name I'm positive will be on the staff is Travis Hackert. Siddle gives a good amount of info in the raw interview.
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(03-20-2020 01:53 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  https://www.wect.com/2020/03/20/coronavi...ddle-down/

Looks like Craig Ponder will indeed be on the staff in some capacity. Another name I'm positive will be on the staff is Travis Hackert. Siddle gives a good amount of info in the raw interview.

Appreciate the information. Based on their experience, I hope that both Hackert and Ponder would be in similar positions as they are now. Perhaps Hackert is ready to move up a seat to third assistant and Ponder ready for DOBO.
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(03-20-2020 02:11 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 01:53 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  https://www.wect.com/2020/03/20/coronavi...ddle-down/

Looks like Craig Ponder will indeed be on the staff in some capacity. Another name I'm positive will be on the staff is Travis Hackert. Siddle gives a good amount of info in the raw interview.

Appreciate the information. Based on their experience, I hope that both Hackert and Ponder would be in similar positions as they are now. Perhaps Hackert is ready to move up a seat to third assistant and Ponder ready for DOBO.

Hackert will be an assistant coach. I'm not sure what chair.
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I'm not buying the "destination job" comment one bit. Other than that, i don't have any issues with anything he said.
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(03-20-2020 02:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not buying the "destination job" comment one bit. Other than that, i don't have any issues with anything he said.

Yeah. That's a tough question and I kind of cringed when I heard it. What's his response supposed to be there.
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(03-20-2020 02:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not buying the "destination job" comment one bit. Other than that, i don't have any issues with anything he said.

Yeah. That's a tough question and I kind of cringed when I heard it. What's his response supposed to be there.

Everywhere is a "destination" unitl you get there....04-cheers
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(03-20-2020 03:41 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 03:08 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 02:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not buying the "destination job" comment one bit. Other than that, i don't have any issues with anything he said.

Yeah. That's a tough question and I kind of cringed when I heard it. What's his response supposed to be there.

Everywhere is a "destination" unitl you get there....04-cheers

Yeah, it's meaningless, which is why I don't how he answers. Tell me lies and what I want to hear...whatever. It's not up to Siddle to ensure we have success beyond his tenure.
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I love Craig "freaking" Ponder being on the staff. Great guy period that played with a ton of heart and skill. He's on my screen saver taking it hard to Grayson Allen who looked like a sissy while Craig was taking it to the hole in the NCAA's. He had the heart that took plus ability and made big shots in the CAA final in 2016 to come from behind and win because he's Craig "Freaking" Ponder. Always underrated, but I knew that he was good. Even in an early round exit a year or 2 earlier, Craig was competing and doing his thing for the team in the CAA tourney so I knew then that he had what it took. I can't think of a better representative than him. Go Craig!
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(03-20-2020 03:08 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 02:39 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm not buying the "destination job" comment one bit. Other than that, i don't have any issues with anything he said.

Yeah. That's a tough question and I kind of cringed when I heard it. What's his response supposed to be there.


Not sure, maybe something like “that’s not really for me to worry about now, I’ve got a job to do here”. Who knows.

And I’m ok with Ponder as long as 08 stays on the mic. If the old guy comes back and o have to hear PapapA PONDER .... he got to go


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