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(03-17-2020 09:59 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I just hope we have a LITTLE more competitive non-conference schedule than they types Keatts put together here.

I, for one ,am excited about the prospect of a home-and-home series with Claflin.

Road trip to Claflin, y'all. It's happening.

McGrath scheduled 6 Non-D1s to Keatts 5 Non-D1s over 3 years. While McGrath scheduled tougher competition when it came to the non conference D1s, I'd rather see us go back to playing they type of schedules that we had under Keatts. Maybe I'm crazy but I like winning basketball games in December. Which McGrath never did against a Non-Conference D1 opponent in his entire tenure.
Got to play some decent games. You don't want to win 30 games, slip up in the finals and get left out. Not to mention, it gets you ready to play against the big dogs in March. Exposing your guys to a mix of tougher games and winnable games gives them a chance to test winning, but also go against better comp. IMO that's a perfect balance to get ready for conf play.

True. A mixture of what both staffs did is probably our best bet. It will be interesting to see what Siddle does. Just please a max of 1 non-D1! Those games are pointless. Not to mention Estime was injured in one this past season.
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Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.
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(03-17-2020 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I read his statement as, we all know State sucks and i'd hate to beat them ..... LOL

I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.
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(03-17-2020 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I read his statement as, we all know State sucks and i'd hate to beat them ..... LOL

I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.

I like this take a lot.
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(03-17-2020 01:52 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(03-17-2020 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I read his statement as, we all know State sucks and i'd hate to beat them ..... LOL

I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.

I like this take a lot.

You guys making and liking that statement are losing site of the big picture. We are a cash strapped university. A pay game like that means a great deal to the Athletic department as a whole!
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(03-17-2020 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I read his statement as, we all know State sucks and i'd hate to beat them ..... LOL

I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.

I like this take a lot.

You guys making and liking that statement are losing site of the big picture. We are a cash strapped university. A pay game like that means a great deal to the Athletic department as a whole!

Wouldn't winning more games and having a higher average attendance do the same. The UNC Game series was great sure, but seeing McGrath take a picture with Roy right before the tip is a publicity stunt.
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(03-17-2020 02:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
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(03-17-2020 01:52 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:50 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 10:01 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I read his statement as, we all know State sucks and i'd hate to beat them ..... LOL

I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.

I like this take a lot.

You guys making and liking that statement are losing site of the big picture. We are a cash strapped university. A pay game like that means a great deal to the Athletic department as a whole!

Wouldn't winning more games and having a higher average attendance do the same. The UNC Game series was great sure, but seeing McGrath take a picture with Roy right before the tip is a publicity stunt.

Attendance hasn't been our problem, even in down years we lead the league. We are a school that needs some pay games to survive.
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(03-17-2020 02:02 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:00 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:56 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:52 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:50 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  I read it as we don't need that kind of publicity stunt to get fans to come watch our games.

I like this take a lot.

You guys making and liking that statement are losing site of the big picture. We are a cash strapped university. A pay game like that means a great deal to the Athletic department as a whole!

Wouldn't winning more games and having a higher average attendance do the same. The UNC Game series was great sure, but seeing McGrath take a picture with Roy right before the tip is a publicity stunt.

Attendance hasn't been our problem, even in down years we lead the league. We are a school that needs some pay games to survive.

Idk how many games you went to this season, but attendance was noticeably bad until Burke took over. Even after Burke took over, we weren't getting many people into Trask on the Thursday night games.
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(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.
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(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.
Spot on sir.
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(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

I understand your take, and agree to an extent. CB used his connections to schedule some home and homes with some big time programs. Ultimately it did no good....I prefer a coach with the mindset that we are going to do what WE do....not the prior staff and focus on winning games as opposed to a photo op. I prefer a coach play these types of games if he can find them after a winning culture has been developed. Winning will cure all that ails us, especially attendance. I'm not sure what the numbers say, and am aware that they can be manipulated ...But I went to three games this year. Two while CB was at the helm and the environment was awful.
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(03-17-2020 02:30 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
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(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

I understand your take, and agree to an extent. CB used his connections to schedule some home and homes with some big time programs. Ultimately it did no good....I prefer a coach with the mindset that we are going to do what WE do....not the prior staff and focus on winning games as opposed to a photo op. I prefer a coach play these types of games if he can find them after a winning culture has been developed. Winning will cure all that ails us, especially attendance. I'm not sure what the numbers say, and am aware that they can be manipulated ...But I went to three games this year. Two while CB was at the helm and the environment was awful.
let's be clear CB's didn't discriminate he lost to big, medium and small schools. I wouldn't read into results of his schedule at all.
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(03-17-2020 02:36 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:30 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

I understand your take, and agree to an extent. CB used his connections to schedule some home and homes with some big time programs. Ultimately it did no good....I prefer a coach with the mindset that we are going to do what WE do....not the prior staff and focus on winning games as opposed to a photo op. I prefer a coach play these types of games if he can find them after a winning culture has been developed. Winning will cure all that ails us, especially attendance. I'm not sure what the numbers say, and am aware that they can be manipulated ...But I went to three games this year. Two while CB was at the helm and the environment was awful.
let's be clear CB's didn't discriminate he lost to big, medium and small schools. I wouldn't read into results of his schedule at all.


LOL...Fair point. I was just saying it would be nice to develop a winning mentality/culture before scheduling games like that.
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I always think you play like schools and up and never schedule the cupcake to pad the percentage. The only reason to play a D2 is to get a W and that stinks to high heaven.If you want to be legit don't hide in the bushes-get out there and play somebody. Pay games are the life blood of a lot of mid majors and a way to see if you are getting better. Please don't wait two years to play a decent schedule-seen enough Clafin!
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(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.
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Think small and you are small. If you think you can-
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(03-17-2020 04:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.


Coaches don't stick around long enough here for a long-term plan to play out. Let's hope Siddle has success AND sticks around for a while and/or leaves us with a quality assistant to take over when he's gone.

Yes, success should breed more success. But non-DI games do nothing for you, and it's proven difficult to schedule fellow mid-majors who have a large variety of goals and budgets that don't always align with ours, forcing us to go the non-DI route.

Thus that leaves us with choosing between buy games and non-DI. I'll choose the former every time. We may not win those in the early years but it gives the team valuable experience. You can't win big games in the regular season if you don't schedule them.

And we certainly could use the money.
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We have played some non D1 that has left me scratching my head. But most are our payments in order to play in invitational tournaments. I don't like the terms, but we do get more exposure from those tournaments. Not to mention tournament experience.
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(03-17-2020 05:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 04:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.


Coaches don't stick around long enough here for a long-term plan to play out. Let's hope Siddle has success AND sticks around for a while and/or leaves us with a quality assistant to take over when he's gone.

Yes, success should breed more success. But non-DI games do nothing for you, and it's proven difficult to schedule fellow mid-majors who have a large variety of goals and budgets that don't always align with ours, forcing us to go the non-DI route.

Thus that leaves us with choosing between buy games and non-DI. I'll choose the former every time. We may not win those in the early years but it gives the team valuable experience. You can't win big games in the regular season if you don't schedule them.

And we certainly could use the money.
Not only do coaches not stick around long enough, but good P5s don't want any part of you if you are a good mid. Carolina wouldn't sniff us in the early 2000's everything to lose and nothing to gain on their part. It's easier to schedule good P5's before you get good.
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(03-17-2020 07:07 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 05:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 04:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:11 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 01:43 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Right now a CAA tournament title is the only path to the NCAA. A good overall record gives you a better shot at a higher seed than a bad record against good teams. When you win, there is at least the perception your team is good and no real evidence against it. Keatts took care of business against the decent mids we played and lost to the P5's, but at least he won what we needed to and really had no bad losses. That was a good recipe for success.

Nearly every (if not, every) mid-major team that has pulled off upset(s) in the NCAA Tournament has played and beaten a quality P5 in the regular season. You have to play, and beat, the big boys before you can beat them in the NCAA Tournament.

I'm not downplaying the importance of winning CAA titles, nor am I suggesting that a strong OOC schedule is a realistic path to an at-large bid. Only suggesting that winning NCAA Tournament games is the ultimate goal, and OOC schedule plays a role in that.

And yes, I do also think its important to get 1-2 buy games every year in order to help fund your program. Gets you a nice check, a chance to shock the world, AND valuable experience against a P5 for years where you reach the NCAA Tournament.

This is a one step at a time procedure to me. I'll take NCAA trips every three years by winning the tournament even if we don't win the game. Once we establish a long term pattern of success, our recruitment capability should increase. With better players, beating P5's during OOC is more likely and then winning NCAA games can follow. We keep trying to make the leap to winning NCAA games without establishing long term success first.


Coaches don't stick around long enough here for a long-term plan to play out. Let's hope Siddle has success AND sticks around for a while and/or leaves us with a quality assistant to take over when he's gone.

Yes, success should breed more success. But non-DI games do nothing for you, and it's proven difficult to schedule fellow mid-majors who have a large variety of goals and budgets that don't always align with ours, forcing us to go the non-DI route.

Thus that leaves us with choosing between buy games and non-DI. I'll choose the former every time. We may not win those in the early years but it gives the team valuable experience. You can't win big games in the regular season if you don't schedule them.

And we certainly could use the money.
Not only do coaches not stick around long enough, but good P5s don't want any part of you if you are a good mid. Carolina wouldn't sniff us in the early 2000's everything to lose and nothing to gain on their part. It's easier to schedule good P5's before you get good.

Gets back to continuuty in coaching styles if a good one moves on.
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