(04-02-2020 06:15 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The hits have started...

ODU eliminating there wrestling program effective immediately. The decision was partly based on recommendations from an outside consultant. ODU has seen their athletic budget decline each of the last three years. Hopefully this change will help ODU become an even stronger member of C-USA.

https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/2/odu-...ogram.aspx

I'm not saying money had not part in it but this was also a title IX issue.

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(04-03-2020 09:05 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Apogee was really nice for its era. I’m glad you guys have your IPF up and ready for the next era of TV-only games. Our IPF should be ready for opening day this fall.

IPF (indoor PLAYING facility)

Ha! You may be on to something.

(04-03-2020 12:49 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:11 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 08:23 PM)Noodles Wrote:  1 player tests positive, wouldn't whole team have to quarantine for 14 days? You think another school is going to welcome your team to their campus when your whole team was exposed to a person with the virus? Nope.

This could help keep Charlottes creeks and streams pristine when Marshall comes to visit under this scenario. Win-win.

It would kill their budget.... Only time actual CUSA fans show up. On a serious note.... Could this be the beginning of Conferences realigning based more on geographical area to save money?

Maybe, but I think it is more likely to be the event that could trigger a realignment based on which programs can can afford to keep conferencing together. No program wants to realign into a group they believe will be a lesser organization than their current situation, even if that group is more geographically friendly.

(03-30-2020 12:21 AM)Niner National Wrote:  No vaccine before then so it will still be making its rounds. It isn’t going to simply disappear. It will be here forever and much of the population will still not have been exposed by fall.

Viruses don't stay around forever. For example, the Spanish Flu is not on it's 102nd straight year or SARS has not gone unabated for 20 years.

(04-03-2020 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:49 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:11 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 08:23 PM)Noodles Wrote:  1 player tests positive, wouldn't whole team have to quarantine for 14 days? You think another school is going to welcome your team to their campus when your whole team was exposed to a person with the virus? Nope.

This could help keep Charlottes creeks and streams pristine when Marshall comes to visit under this scenario. Win-win.

It would kill their budget.... Only time actual CUSA fans show up. On a serious note.... Could this be the beginning of Conferences realigning based more on geographical area to save money?

Maybe, but I think it is more likely to be the event that could trigger a realignment based on which programs can can afford to keep conferencing together. No program wants to realign into a group they believe will be a lesser organization than their current situation, even if that group is more geographically friendly.

No. But if you can have both then that would be better yet.

(04-04-2020 11:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:49 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:11 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 08:23 PM)Noodles Wrote:  1 player tests positive, wouldn't whole team have to quarantine for 14 days? You think another school is going to welcome your team to their campus when your whole team was exposed to a person with the virus? Nope.

This could help keep Charlottes creeks and streams pristine when Marshall comes to visit under this scenario. Win-win.

It would kill their budget.... Only time actual CUSA fans show up. On a serious note.... Could this be the beginning of Conferences realigning based more on geographical area to save money?

Maybe, but I think it is more likely to be the event that could trigger a realignment based on which programs can can afford to keep conferencing together. No program wants to realign into a group they believe will be a lesser organization than their current situation, even if that group is more geographically friendly.

No. But if you can have both then that would be better yet.

You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

In every region there are programs that understand their current conference is better than realigning with more regional competition. If enough programs determined it was better financially and/or competitively, it would have already happened. I know we are in uncharted water right now, but programs that can weather this storm will come out stronger.

The only way to improve your lot in life is to build your program, and be ready when the next shake up occurs. This pandemic could be the event that causes another shake up, but I don't see that resulting in realigning. I believe it is more probable that the P5/NCAA uses the situation to thin the herd.

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 11:35 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 06:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:49 PM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-03-2020 12:11 PM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  This could help keep Charlottes creeks and streams pristine when Marshall comes to visit under this scenario. Win-win.

It would kill their budget.... Only time actual CUSA fans show up. On a serious note.... Could this be the beginning of Conferences realigning based more on geographical area to save money?

Maybe, but I think it is more likely to be the event that could trigger a realignment based on which programs can can afford to keep conferencing together. No program wants to realign into a group they believe will be a lesser organization than their current situation, even if that group is more geographically friendly.

No. But if you can have both then that would be better yet.

You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

In every region there are programs that understand their current conference is better than realigning with more regional competition. If enough programs determined it was better financially and/or competitively, it would have already happened. I know we are in uncharted water right now, but programs that can weather this storm will come out stronger.

The only way to improve your lot in life is to build your program, and be ready when the next shake up occurs. This pandemic could be the event that causes another shake up, but I don't see that resulting in realigning. I believe it is more probable that the P5/NCAA uses the situation to thin the herd.

It hasn't happened by now due to the change in rules for a basketball autobid and the CFP. If it were still possible to hold an airport meeting as the MWC did and form a new conference then CUSA would split. There's no doubt about that.

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

I still think that geography matters. I believe that the SEC is still the model to follow. They started off with a relatively close group of schools and built the brand up with fan rivalries.

(04-06-2020 06:02 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

I still think that geography matters. I believe that the SEC is still the model to follow. They started off with a relatively close group of schools and built the brand up with fan rivalries.

C-USA's footprint is already close to the SEC footprint. Both conferences are in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. The biggest difference is that C-USA has teams in the AAC's region of Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina, while not having teams in South Carolina and Georgia. I don't really see that as a big difference.

(04-06-2020 08:03 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-06-2020 06:02 AM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

I still think that geography matters. I believe that the SEC is still the model to follow. They started off with a relatively close group of schools and built the brand up with fan rivalries.

C-USA's footprint is already close to the SEC footprint. Both conferences are in Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. The biggest difference is that C-USA has teams in the AAC's region of Virginia, West Virginia, and North Carolina, while not having teams in South Carolina and Georgia. I don't really see that as a big difference.

The SEC is more compact than we are. The distance between the schools at the extreme ends of the conference are a big barrier to following their team on the road. For instance, it is a pretty easy drive from B’ham to WKU, USM, and MTSU. LaTech, Charlotte, Marshall and NT require a little longer but I can leave on a Friday afternoon and drive home Sunday. ODU would, for me, would require a longer weekend. UTSA, UTEP, FAU and FIU are air flights to me which impact my available travel funds.

I do admit that I had a good time in my El Paso, San Antonio and Boca Raton visits. Hopefully, I will make it to NT,, FIU and ODU soon.

clt is glad that Charlotte spends wisely.

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  

(04-04-2020 01:42 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  You can't have both. If it was possible it would have happened already.

If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

had some free time on my hands, so what would a group of on field/court success even look like between the two conferences. I went with at least a divisional title in football and regular season champ and tournament champ in basketball. i believe this could be the default minimum requirement for a conference setup thats not regionally based. 15 schools meet these requirements, so after this first group, financial stability, and other factor could then be considered to narrow down to 12 or 14. do you feel this group would be better than MWC and equal to AAC?


Started from 2014-2015 athletic year

From C-USA:
1) UAB – football conference champ 2018. Football division champ 2019 ---
basketball conference and tournament champ 2015-16/ tournament champ 2014-
15
2) FAU - football conference champ 2019/2017
3) La Tech – football division champ 2019/2016/2014 --- basketball conference
champ 2014-15
4) Middle Tennessee – football division champ 2018 --- basketball conference and
tournament champ 2016-17/ conference champ 2017-18 / tournament champ
2015-16 /
5) North Texas – football divisional champ 2017 --- basketball conference champ
2019-20
6) ODU – football division champ 2016 --- basketball conference and tournament
champ 2018-19
7) Western Kentucky – football conference champ 2016/2015
8) USM – football division champ 2015
9) Marshall --- basketball tournament champ 2017-18

From Sun Belt:
1) Appalachian State – football conference champ 2019/2018/2017/2016
2) Arkansas State – football conference champ 2016/2015
3) Georgia State ---- basketball conference and tournament champ 2018-19/ 2014-
15 / basketball tournament champ 2017-18
4) Louisiana – football division champ 2019/2018 --- basketball conference champ
2017-18 /
5) Troy – football conference champ 2017 --- basketball tournament champ 2016-17
6) Georgia Southern – football conference champ 2014

(04-06-2020 05:21 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

had some free time on my hands, so what would a group of on field/court success even look like between the two conferences. I went with at least a divisional title in football and regular season champ and tournament champ in basketball. i believe this could be the default minimum requirement for a conference setup thats not regionally based. 15 schools meet these requirements, so after this first group, financial stability, and other factor could then be considered to narrow down to 12 or 14. do you feel this group would be better than MWC and equal to AAC?


Started from 2014-2015 athletic year

From C-USA:
1) UAB – football conference champ 2018. Football division champ 2019 ---
basketball conference and tournament champ 2015-16/ tournament champ 2014-
15
2) FAU - football conference champ 2019/2017
3) La Tech – football division champ 2019/2016/2014 --- basketball conference
champ 2014-15
4) Middle Tennessee – football division champ 2018 --- basketball conference and
tournament champ 2016-17/ conference champ 2017-18 / tournament champ
2015-16 /
5) North Texas – football divisional champ 2017 --- basketball conference champ
2019-20
6) ODU – football division champ 2016 --- basketball conference and tournament
champ 2018-19
7) Western Kentucky – football conference champ 2016/2015
8) USM – football division champ 2015
9) Marshall --- basketball tournament champ 2017-18

From Sun Belt:
1) Appalachian State – football conference champ 2019/2018/2017/2016
2) Arkansas State – football conference champ 2016/2015
3) Georgia State ---- basketball conference and tournament champ 2018-19/ 2014-
15 / basketball tournament champ 2017-18
4) Louisiana – football division champ 2019/2018 --- basketball conference champ
2017-18 /
5) Troy – football conference champ 2017 --- basketball tournament champ 2016-17
6) Georgia Southern – football conference champ 2014

I don't think 12/14 from this group would be the equal of the AAC, but I think it could certainly give the MWC a run for the second best G5. Of the 15 on you list, which 12 have the best budgets and facilities?

link to SI article today:
'We’re All Effed. There’s No Other Way to Look at This, Is There?'

Quote:Administrators and insiders weigh in as the Coronavirus threatens the College Football season—and explain why the entire NCAA system could hang in the balance.

CLICK FOR EXPANDED IMAGE. Not every athletic department is created equal. Power 5 and Group of Five programs get their revenue from vastly different sources. Here's a side-by-side look at 2018 revenue from the SEC and Conference USA. Look at the striking differences. While the two biggest revenue-generators for an SEC school are conference distribution/media rights and ticket sales, Conference USA's two revenue-producers are from student fees and state funding. All four revenue-generators—distribution/media rights, ticket sales, student fees and state funding—will be significantly impacted by the coronavirus's adverse effect on the economy.

(04-06-2020 06:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-06-2020 05:21 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  

(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

had some free time on my hands, so what would a group of on field/court success even look like between the two conferences. I went with at least a divisional title in football and regular season champ and tournament champ in basketball. i believe this could be the default minimum requirement for a conference setup thats not regionally based. 15 schools meet these requirements, so after this first group, financial stability, and other factor could then be considered to narrow down to 12 or 14. do you feel this group would be better than MWC and equal to AAC?


Started from 2014-2015 athletic year

From C-USA:
1) UAB – football conference champ 2018. Football division champ 2019 ---
basketball conference and tournament champ 2015-16/ tournament champ 2014-
15
2) FAU - football conference champ 2019/2017
3) La Tech – football division champ 2019/2016/2014 --- basketball conference
champ 2014-15
4) Middle Tennessee – football division champ 2018 --- basketball conference and
tournament champ 2016-17/ conference champ 2017-18 / tournament champ
2015-16 /
5) North Texas – football divisional champ 2017 --- basketball conference champ
2019-20
6) ODU – football division champ 2016 --- basketball conference and tournament
champ 2018-19
7) Western Kentucky – football conference champ 2016/2015
8) USM – football division champ 2015
9) Marshall --- basketball tournament champ 2017-18

From Sun Belt:
1) Appalachian State – football conference champ 2019/2018/2017/2016
2) Arkansas State – football conference champ 2016/2015
3) Georgia State ---- basketball conference and tournament champ 2018-19/ 2014-
15 / basketball tournament champ 2017-18
4) Louisiana – football division champ 2019/2018 --- basketball conference champ
2017-18 /
5) Troy – football conference champ 2017 --- basketball tournament champ 2016-17
6) Georgia Southern – football conference champ 2014

I don't think 12/14 from this group would be the equal of the AAC, but I think it could certainly give the MWC a run for the second best G5. Of the 15 on you list, which 12 have the best budgets and facilities?

You do realize those two dont go hand in hand? Budgets are not equal, in accounting. Budget is only important if you are losing because if you break this conference down by wins/championships I dont think a higher budget is going to reflect more wins or championships

(04-08-2020 01:39 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  link to SI article today:
'We’re All Effed. There’s No Other Way to Look at This, Is There?'

Quote:Administrators and insiders weigh in as the Coronavirus threatens the College Football season—and explain why the entire NCAA system could hang in the balance.

CLICK FOR EXPANDED IMAGE. Not every athletic department is created equal. Power 5 and Group of Five programs get their revenue from vastly different sources. Here's a side-by-side look at 2018 revenue from the SEC and Conference USA. Look at the striking differences. While the two biggest revenue-generators for an SEC school are conference distribution/media rights and ticket sales, Conference USA's two revenue-producers are from student fees and state funding. All four revenue-generators—distribution/media rights, ticket sales, student fees and state funding—will be significantly impacted by the coronavirus's adverse effect on the economy.

That's why I've said from the beginning...

those schools with a 75+ million dollar budget will be hit harder than CUSA. Most CUSA schools can make up the short fall over 2 seasons of playing a 2nd pay check game. The schools depending on TV, tickets, donation will be a lot harder to make up their lost revenue.

The #1 key for schools in CUSA is to limit a large drop in enrollment #1 stream of revenue