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(04-06-2020 05:21 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(04-05-2020 11:09 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(04-05-2020 10:26 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(04-05-2020 09:33 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(04-05-2020 09:15 AM)Herd6993 Wrote:  If the NCAA loosens up the restrictions on Conference realigning....then I could see geographically unfriendly conferences splitting.....As to you saying not options out there.... I could see ODU, Marshall, UNCC, APPY St, Coastal, GA Southern, GA State and WKU entertain this and maybe MTSU,UAB, FIU, and FAU.

The biggest issue would be splitting up the money.... in my above example I'm not sure MTSU, Marshall, UAB, and ODU would be willing to leave the basketball credits they earned behind and I don't think the other school would be willing to give them up.

I think a split would be more along the lines of the better and more affluent programs trying to create a conference that could be seen as a New Years Bowl contender with the MWC and AAC. And, I don't see a regional line up within a C-USA/Sun Belt combination that could do that.

I have always felt IF some type of new conference was created, this " best of " method would be the way it would happen, as opposed to geographically.
per-virus conditions, the problems i seen with that was setting the best number of teams, 12 i presume, but that will undoubtedly leave out at least 2 deserving schools. and by what measurements would members be decided. history at this level has show picking members by market, and budget and region dont work. but could using football and basketball success as a primary focus work ? how do you break down success for 12 members? they cant all have won championships right.
now, post-virus conditions, financial stability could become a big factor also.

I think since the economics are changing, financial stability, commitment to athletics, and on field/court success would be the main factors. Region and markets will probably be less important. 12 would certainly be the best number, since it would allow for a championship game, divisions in a conference that would be spread out, and provide a larger payout than a larger model. I'd like to know which programs would be interested in pursuing this model?

had some free time on my hands, so what would a group of on field/court success even look like between the two conferences. I went with at least a divisional title in football and regular season champ and tournament champ in basketball. i believe this could be the default minimum requirement for a conference setup thats not regionally based. 15 schools meet these requirements, so after this first group, financial stability, and other factor could then be considered to narrow down to 12 or 14. do you feel this group would be better than MWC and equal to AAC?


Started from 2014-2015 athletic year

From C-USA:
1) UAB – football conference champ 2018. Football division champ 2019 ---
basketball conference and tournament champ 2015-16/ tournament champ 2014-
15
2) FAU - football conference champ 2019/2017
3) La Tech – football division champ 2019/2016/2014 --- basketball conference
champ 2014-15
4) Middle Tennessee – football division champ 2018 --- basketball conference and
tournament champ 2016-17/ conference champ 2017-18 / tournament champ
2015-16 /
5) North Texas – football divisional champ 2017 --- basketball conference champ
2019-20
6) ODU – football division champ 2016 --- basketball conference and tournament
champ 2018-19
7) Western Kentucky – football conference champ 2016/2015
8) USM – football division champ 2015
9) Marshall --- basketball tournament champ 2017-18

From Sun Belt:
1) Appalachian State – football conference champ 2019/2018/2017/2016
2) Arkansas State – football conference champ 2016/2015
3) Georgia State ---- basketball conference and tournament champ 2018-19/ 2014-
15 / basketball tournament champ 2017-18
4) Louisiana – football division champ 2019/2018 --- basketball conference champ
2017-18 /
5) Troy – football conference champ 2017 --- basketball tournament champ 2016-17
6) Georgia Southern – football conference champ 2014



Marshall was 2014 Football Division Champ and Conference Champ
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(03-18-2020 07:02 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  The economic impact of this might be the reason given for Rice to drop out of FBS.
I’m just now reading this thread. ESE, your comment ^^^ was 3 weeks ago. Do you still believe the stakes are that high for Rice?

(03-18-2020 08:23 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  $27 a barrel oil will hurt the TX/LA schools long after we have a vaccine for coronavirus.
$27 a barrel may be very optimistic.
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clt is glad Charlotte isn’t a small school like marshal or unt
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Good news out of Denton....

According to the Mean Green beat writer, North Texas has mostly resolved our budget issues brought on by COVID-19's ending sports for the remainder of this year. Also, providing another year of eligibility to student athletes will result in an additional $400,000 expense for the athletic department, which UNT has already agreed to fund.

https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/125...2582988802



The more news that comes out from the AD's office, the more confident I feel about UNT's ability to deal with the COVIS-19 fallout moving forward.



Here is the full story from the Denton Record Chronicle.

https://dentonrc.com/rsssports/unt-has-h...612a0.html
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That is good news. Glad it is working out for UNT.
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UTSA projects their athletic budget will take a 10 to 15% hit next season...

https://twitter.com/GregLuca/status/1259555999704367108

I expect most if not all of us will endure something comparable next years.
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(04-24-2020 05:29 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Good news out of Denton....

According to the Mean Green beat writer, North Texas has mostly resolved our budget issues brought on by COVID-19's ending sports for the remainder of this year. Also, providing another year of eligibility to student athletes will result in an additional $400,000 expense for the athletic department, which UNT has already agreed to fund.

https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/125...2582988802



The more news that comes out from the AD's office, the more confident I feel about UNT's ability to deal with the COVIS-19 fallout moving forward.



Here is the full story from the Denton Record Chronicle.

https://dentonrc.com/rsssports/unt-has-h...612a0.html

Sounds good but I'm wondering how schools will handle dounle the recruits next season if thats what happens. Do we go from 85 fb schollies to 110?
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(04-08-2020 05:45 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt is glad Charlotte isn’t a small school like marshal or unt

Funny, I don’t see the big school from Charlotte on the championship list from above.
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(05-13-2020 02:50 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 05:45 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt is glad Charlotte isn’t a small school like marshal or unt

Funny, I don’t see the big school from Charlotte on the championship list from above.


clt says it hard to win a cusa FB championship when you are not in cusa.
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(05-13-2020 02:28 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(04-24-2020 05:29 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Good news out of Denton....

According to the Mean Green beat writer, North Texas has mostly resolved our budget issues brought on by COVID-19's ending sports for the remainder of this year. Also, providing another year of eligibility to student athletes will result in an additional $400,000 expense for the athletic department, which UNT has already agreed to fund.

https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/125...2582988802



The more news that comes out from the AD's office, the more confident I feel about UNT's ability to deal with the COVIS-19 fallout moving forward.



Here is the full story from the Denton Record Chronicle.

https://dentonrc.com/rsssports/unt-has-h...612a0.html

Sounds good but I'm wondering how schools will handle dounle the recruits next season if thats what happens. Do we go from 85 fb schollies to 110?

Not all student athletes are coming back for the extra year. Quite a few seniors are choosing to graduate, as they have already secured jobs in their fields. Hate to see them go, but I understand they have careers to start. I don't know how the scholarships will work, but I'm sure the NCAA will allow some kind of expansion to go with the extra year.
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Sure sign Athletic spending suffers a decline for public universities? In Tennessee (Where Sales Tax is the Big Revenue Producer) we have a 1.5 Billion shortfall projected for 2021. Already, we claim to have lost about 800 million in revenue in 2020. 03-weeping Assuming the inept federal folks fail to give us back our money in the form of a state stimulus; we are gonna be screwed. While Rocky Top U has enough money to weather the storm; I'm thinkin' little folks like MT gonna get slammed with a Big Hit to the wallet. 03-banghead How about your state budgets? Anybody else feelin a little quezzy? 03-puke
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We are doubling down, buying low. 15% increase in spending for the upcoming year.
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(05-14-2020 07:58 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Sure sign Athletic spending suffers a decline for public universities? In Tennessee (Where Sales Tax is the Big Revenue Producer) we have a 1.5 Billion shortfall projected for 2021. Already, we claim to have lost about 800 million in revenue in 2020. 03-weeping Assuming the inept federal folks fail to give us back our money in the form of a state stimulus; we are gonna be screwed. While Rocky Top U has enough money to weather the storm; I'm thinkin' little folks like MT gonna get slammed with a Big Hit to the wallet. 03-banghead How about your state budgets? Anybody else feelin a little quezzy? 03-puke

The Texas legislature only meets every two years, unless the Governor call for a special session. Right now, they will meet again 2021. Texas has a rainy day fund currently worth between $9 and $10 Billion, so the state can dip into those moneys in 2021. The main problem is that most of our money in there is funded though taxes on the oil industry, which is reeling right now. So, whatever Texas takes from the fund isn't likely to be replenished soon.

Fortunately, Texas learned their lesson back in the early 1980's and we are no longer a single industry economy. Texas has diversified over the last 35 years, and lured many corporations into our state. Even with the oil prices down, Texas will come out of COVID-19 in a better position than many other states, especially those that are slow to reopen. Just the other day, California's forced shut-down led to Elon Musk's decision to move Tesla's headquarters and all of their operations to Texas and Arizona. We will see what happens with that situation.
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(05-14-2020 07:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:58 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Sure sign Athletic spending suffers a decline for public universities? In Tennessee (Where Sales Tax is the Big Revenue Producer) we have a 1.5 Billion shortfall projected for 2021. Already, we claim to have lost about 800 million in revenue in 2020. 03-weeping Assuming the inept federal folks fail to give us back our money in the form of a state stimulus; we are gonna be screwed. While Rocky Top U has enough money to weather the storm; I'm thinkin' little folks like MT gonna get slammed with a Big Hit to the wallet. 03-banghead How about your state budgets? Anybody else feelin a little quezzy? 03-puke

The Texas legislature only meets every two years, unless the Governor call for a special session. Right now, they will meet again 2021. Texas has a rainy day fund currently worth between $9 and $10 Billion, so the state can dip into those moneys in 2021. The main problem is that most of our money in there is funded though taxes on the oil industry, which is reeling right now. So, whatever Texas takes from the fund isn't likely to be replenished soon.

Fortunately, Texas learned their lesson back in the early 1980's and we are no longer a single industry economy. Texas has diversified over the last 35 years, and lured many corporations into our state. Even with the oil prices down, Texas will come out of COVID-19 in a better position than many other states, especially those that are slow to reopen. Just the other day, California's forced shut-down led to Elon Musk's decision to move Tesla's headquarters and all of their operations to Texas and Arizona. We will see what happens with that situation.

This is true, but what about the private schools like SMU, TCU, Baylor and Rice?
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(05-15-2020 01:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:58 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Sure sign Athletic spending suffers a decline for public universities? In Tennessee (Where Sales Tax is the Big Revenue Producer) we have a 1.5 Billion shortfall projected for 2021. Already, we claim to have lost about 800 million in revenue in 2020. 03-weeping Assuming the inept federal folks fail to give us back our money in the form of a state stimulus; we are gonna be screwed. While Rocky Top U has enough money to weather the storm; I'm thinkin' little folks like MT gonna get slammed with a Big Hit to the wallet. 03-banghead How about your state budgets? Anybody else feelin a little quezzy? 03-puke

The Texas legislature only meets every two years, unless the Governor call for a special session. Right now, they will meet again 2021. Texas has a rainy day fund currently worth between $9 and $10 Billion, so the state can dip into those moneys in 2021. The main problem is that most of our money in there is funded though taxes on the oil industry, which is reeling right now. So, whatever Texas takes from the fund isn't likely to be replenished soon.

Fortunately, Texas learned their lesson back in the early 1980's and we are no longer a single industry economy. Texas has diversified over the last 35 years, and lured many corporations into our state. Even with the oil prices down, Texas will come out of COVID-19 in a better position than many other states, especially those that are slow to reopen. Just the other day, California's forced shut-down led to Elon Musk's decision to move Tesla's headquarters and all of their operations to Texas and Arizona. We will see what happens with that situation.

This is true, but what about the private schools like SMU, TCU, Baylor and Rice?

I don't know the funding the dynamics of the Texas private schools, but that is a good question. If I had to guess, I'd think with the oil industry flat-lining, their endowments are taking a beating right now, and that would squeeze their budgets, at least in the short term. Tuition increases could be in order too. Other than that, I have no clue what they might be planning to do. Do you have an idea?
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(05-15-2020 04:56 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(05-15-2020 01:39 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:14 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 07:58 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Sure sign Athletic spending suffers a decline for public universities? In Tennessee (Where Sales Tax is the Big Revenue Producer) we have a 1.5 Billion shortfall projected for 2021. Already, we claim to have lost about 800 million in revenue in 2020. 03-weeping Assuming the inept federal folks fail to give us back our money in the form of a state stimulus; we are gonna be screwed. While Rocky Top U has enough money to weather the storm; I'm thinkin' little folks like MT gonna get slammed with a Big Hit to the wallet. 03-banghead How about your state budgets? Anybody else feelin a little quezzy? 03-puke

The Texas legislature only meets every two years, unless the Governor call for a special session. Right now, they will meet again 2021. Texas has a rainy day fund currently worth between $9 and $10 Billion, so the state can dip into those moneys in 2021. The main problem is that most of our money in there is funded though taxes on the oil industry, which is reeling right now. So, whatever Texas takes from the fund isn't likely to be replenished soon.

Fortunately, Texas learned their lesson back in the early 1980's and we are no longer a single industry economy. Texas has diversified over the last 35 years, and lured many corporations into our state. Even with the oil prices down, Texas will come out of COVID-19 in a better position than many other states, especially those that are slow to reopen. Just the other day, California's forced shut-down led to Elon Musk's decision to move Tesla's headquarters and all of their operations to Texas and Arizona. We will see what happens with that situation.

This is true, but what about the private schools like SMU, TCU, Baylor and Rice?

I don't know the funding the dynamics of the Texas private schools, but that is a good question. If I had to guess, I'd think with the oil industry flat-lining, their endowments are taking a beating right now, and that would squeeze their budgets, at least in the short term. Tuition increases could be in order too. Other than that, I have no clue what they might be planning to do. Do you have an idea?

I don't know about the other schools, but SMU's AD Rick Hart says SMU is in good financial health. No full time athletic department employees have been or will be furloughed. No one has had to take a reduction in salary. SMU sponsors 17 sports, 16 are required for NCAA D1 status. The American is exploring allowing the schools to schedule their own non-revenue regional contests with the American sponsoring championships in all sports. Students will be allowed back on campus in July.
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