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(03-16-2020 11:05 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  As a college player, Jordan was great. But Maravich was unreal. Maravich and Oscar are the two best college players of all time.

Yes, Maravich was the Wilt Chamberlain of college basketball, he put up numbers that dizzy the head. And no question, Oscar is a GOAT candidate at any level, college or NBA.

However, my vote for best college player of all time goes to Lew Alcindor. Three seasons, three years of sterling stats, three times national POY, three times national champion and tournament MVP.

He really had a perfect college career, or almost, I think UCLA went 88-2 his years.

Maravich and Chamberlin didn't have the incredible talent surrounding them that Kareem did so its hard to compare. Maravich was just unbelievable. Everyone knew he was LSU's scorer. And he kept putting up shots and scoring.

Lucius Allen, Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks were all at UCLA during that time, all long term pros. Lynn Shackelford did play a season in the ABA. May have been others, but those were names I quickly recognized looking at the roster.

Leaders in points per game over college career:
44.2 - Pistol Pete (6.4 rebounds, 5.1 assists)
33.8 - Oscar Robertson (15.2 rebounds and 7.1 assists)
31.0 - Elvin Hayes (17.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists)
30.7 - Freeman Williams (4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists)
30.3 - Larry Bird (13.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists)

Oscar and Kareem are the only 3-time players of the year. The USBWA POY award (which started his 2nd year) is now named the Oscar Robertson Trophy.

Unlike Pistol Pete, Oscar managed those scoring totals despite being surrounded by future NBA players like Connie Dierking (#5 overall draft pick in '58), Wayne Stevens, Ralph Davis, Bob Wiesenhahn, and Paul Hogue (#2 overall draft pick in '62).

Oscar also managed to do that despite being on one of the first integrated teams play most of its away games in the South.

Having a bunch of NBA players around you may mean you have less chances, but its a LOT easier to score when you shoot. Having 2 scorers makes a world of difference over having 1. The Big O was great all around. But Maravich was the best scorer ever.
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(03-16-2020 03:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor Jr. and William Theodore Walton III, my two favorite basketball players of all time (regardless of college or pro).

Yes, and it was marvelous watching them play against each other in the NBA. The 1977 Lakers vs Blazers series is pure post-play poetry.
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(03-16-2020 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:05 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  As a college player, Jordan was great. But Maravich was unreal. Maravich and Oscar are the two best college players of all time.

Yes, Maravich was the Wilt Chamberlain of college basketball, he put up numbers that dizzy the head. And no question, Oscar is a GOAT candidate at any level, college or NBA.

However, my vote for best college player of all time goes to Lew Alcindor. Three seasons, three years of sterling stats, three times national POY, three times national champion and tournament MVP.

He really had a perfect college career, or almost, I think UCLA went 88-2 his years.

Maravich and Chamberlin didn't have the incredible talent surrounding them that Kareem did so its hard to compare. Maravich was just unbelievable. Everyone knew he was LSU's scorer. And he kept putting up shots and scoring.

Lucius Allen, Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks were all at UCLA during that time, all long term pros. Lynn Shackelford did play a season in the ABA. May have been others, but those were names I quickly recognized looking at the roster.

Leaders in points per game over college career:
44.2 - Pistol Pete (6.4 rebounds, 5.1 assists)
33.8 - Oscar Robertson (15.2 rebounds and 7.1 assists)
31.0 - Elvin Hayes (17.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists)
30.7 - Freeman Williams (4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists)
30.3 - Larry Bird (13.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists)

Oscar and Kareem are the only 3-time players of the year. The USBWA POY award (which started his 2nd year) is now named the Oscar Robertson Trophy.

Unlike Pistol Pete, Oscar managed those scoring totals despite being surrounded by future NBA players like Connie Dierking (#5 overall draft pick in '58), Wayne Stevens, Ralph Davis, Bob Wiesenhahn, and Paul Hogue (#2 overall draft pick in '62).

Oscar also managed to do that despite being on one of the first integrated teams play most of its away games in the South.

Having a bunch of NBA players around you may mean you have less chances, but its a LOT easier to score when you shoot. Having 2 scorers makes a world of difference over having 1. The Big O was great all around. But Maravich was the best scorer ever.

Maravich, Oscar, and Kareem are also three of the 22 players who have scored 60 or more points in a D1 game. That hasn't been done at all since 2009, and it hasn't been done in a regulation (non-OT) game since 1994. All three of them accomplished it in regulation.

Maravich is the only player to do it more than once.
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(03-16-2020 04:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 03:05 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Ferdinand Lewis Alcindor Jr. and William Theodore Walton III, my two favorite basketball players of all time (regardless of college or pro).

Yes, and it was marvelous watching them play against each other in the NBA. The 1977 Lakers vs Blazers series is pure post-play poetry.

Yep. Agree. Put those two in their prime in the NBA today and they would school the league's current big men.
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(03-16-2020 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, Maravich was the Wilt Chamberlain of college basketball, he put up numbers that dizzy the head. And no question, Oscar is a GOAT candidate at any level, college or NBA.

However, my vote for best college player of all time goes to Lew Alcindor. Three seasons, three years of sterling stats, three times national POY, three times national champion and tournament MVP.

He really had a perfect college career, or almost, I think UCLA went 88-2 his years.

Maravich and Chamberlin didn't have the incredible talent surrounding them that Kareem did so its hard to compare. Maravich was just unbelievable. Everyone knew he was LSU's scorer. And he kept putting up shots and scoring.

Lucius Allen, Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks were all at UCLA during that time, all long term pros. Lynn Shackelford did play a season in the ABA. May have been others, but those were names I quickly recognized looking at the roster.

Leaders in points per game over college career:
44.2 - Pistol Pete (6.4 rebounds, 5.1 assists)
33.8 - Oscar Robertson (15.2 rebounds and 7.1 assists)
31.0 - Elvin Hayes (17.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists)
30.7 - Freeman Williams (4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists)
30.3 - Larry Bird (13.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists)

Oscar and Kareem are the only 3-time players of the year. The USBWA POY award (which started his 2nd year) is now named the Oscar Robertson Trophy.

Unlike Pistol Pete, Oscar managed those scoring totals despite being surrounded by future NBA players like Connie Dierking (#5 overall draft pick in '58), Wayne Stevens, Ralph Davis, Bob Wiesenhahn, and Paul Hogue (#2 overall draft pick in '62).

Oscar also managed to do that despite being on one of the first integrated teams play most of its away games in the South.

Having a bunch of NBA players around you may mean you have less chances, but its a LOT easier to score when you shoot. Having 2 scorers makes a world of difference over having 1. The Big O was great all around. But Maravich was the best scorer ever.

Maravich, Oscar, and Kareem are also three of the 22 players who have scored 60 or more points in a D1 game. That hasn't been done at all since 2009, and it hasn't been done in a regulation (non-OT) game since 1994. All three of them accomplished it in regulation.

Maravich is the only player to do it more than once.

Even if we're just comparing guards, it's tough to compare a high-volume shooter on a mediocre team (Maravich at LSU, a team that didn't play in the NCAA tournament while he was there) with one on a good team with multiple scoring options (e.g., Redick at Duke). Put Maravich on a really good team, and maybe he has a lower scoring average with a higher shooting percentage, and maybe vice versa for Redick. But, it leaves plenty of room to argue it one way or another.
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(03-16-2020 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, Maravich was the Wilt Chamberlain of college basketball, he put up numbers that dizzy the head. And no question, Oscar is a GOAT candidate at any level, college or NBA.

However, my vote for best college player of all time goes to Lew Alcindor. Three seasons, three years of sterling stats, three times national POY, three times national champion and tournament MVP.

He really had a perfect college career, or almost, I think UCLA went 88-2 his years.

Maravich and Chamberlin didn't have the incredible talent surrounding them that Kareem did so its hard to compare. Maravich was just unbelievable. Everyone knew he was LSU's scorer. And he kept putting up shots and scoring.

Lucius Allen, Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks were all at UCLA during that time, all long term pros. Lynn Shackelford did play a season in the ABA. May have been others, but those were names I quickly recognized looking at the roster.

Leaders in points per game over college career:
44.2 - Pistol Pete (6.4 rebounds, 5.1 assists)
33.8 - Oscar Robertson (15.2 rebounds and 7.1 assists)
31.0 - Elvin Hayes (17.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists)
30.7 - Freeman Williams (4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists)
30.3 - Larry Bird (13.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists)

Oscar and Kareem are the only 3-time players of the year. The USBWA POY award (which started his 2nd year) is now named the Oscar Robertson Trophy.

Unlike Pistol Pete, Oscar managed those scoring totals despite being surrounded by future NBA players like Connie Dierking (#5 overall draft pick in '58), Wayne Stevens, Ralph Davis, Bob Wiesenhahn, and Paul Hogue (#2 overall draft pick in '62).

Oscar also managed to do that despite being on one of the first integrated teams play most of its away games in the South.

Having a bunch of NBA players around you may mean you have less chances, but its a LOT easier to score when you shoot. Having 2 scorers makes a world of difference over having 1. The Big O was great all around. But Maravich was the best scorer ever.

Maravich, Oscar, and Kareem are also three of the 22 players who have scored 60 or more points in a D1 game. That hasn't been done at all since 2009, and it hasn't been done in a regulation (non-OT) game since 1994. All three of them accomplished it in regulation.

Maravich is the only player to do it more than once.

I remember Oscar with the Royals and Bucks, but not in college. Pete and Kareem I did see. I noticed how high Elvin Hayes was on the scoring list. I remember seeing that game that changed college basketball, E vs. Lew in the Astrodome. That was a great game, ending UCLA's 47 game winning streak. UCLA got even in the final 4.
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(03-15-2020 10:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I've made corrections to this list, LOL. Not many, as he did a great job. Even got 32, 33, and 44 right, and those are extremely tough ones to pick.


(03-14-2020 09:39 PM)Wedge Wrote:  John Gasaway made this list at ESPN. Lots of room for argument at the more popular jersey numbers.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...sey-number

As he points out, only numbers 0-5, single or double digits, are currently eligible for use in college hoops.

Have fun debating over these and/or complaining that a player from your favorite team didn't make this list. 07-coffee3

Quote:00. Tony Delk, Kentucky (1992-96) over Cliff Robinson and Eric Montross, among others (just assume "among others" from here on)

0. Frank Mason III, Kansas (2013-17) over Russell Westbrook, Jared Sullinger, Thomas Robinson

1. Zion Williamson, Duke (2018-19) over Damian Lillard, Jalen Brunson, Hakim Warrick

2. Russ Smith, Louisville (2011-14) over Isaiah Thomas, Grant Williams, Raymond Felton

3. Doug McDermott, Creighton (2010-14) over Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade, Chris Paul

4. Chris Webber, Michigan (1991-93) over K.C. Jones, Larry Johnson, JJ Redick

It's close, but LJ had better regular seasons than Webber, and led his team to a national title.

5. Walter Dukes, Seton Hall (1950-53) over John Havlicek, Jason Kidd, Jalen Rose

10. Otis Birdsong, Houston (1973-77) over Rick Mount, Dick Groat, Mookie Blaylock

11. Jerry Lucas, Ohio State (1959-62) over Isiah Thomas, Don Barksdale, Bobby Hurley

12. Oscar Robertson, Cincinnati (1957-60) over Phil Ford, Steve Alford, Kenny Anderson

13. Wilt Chamberlain, Kansas (1956-58) over Glenn Robinson, John Wooden, James Harden

14. Johnny Neumann (Ole Miss, 1970-71) over Jameer Nelson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrest, Chris Douglas-Roberts

15. Carmelo Anthony, Syracuse (2002-03) over Tom Gola, Kemba Walker, Alex Groza

Carmelo in 2003 and Walker in 2011 had identical spectacular seasons, but Walker also was very good the year before, whereas Carmelo only played that one year.

20. Gary Payton, Oregon State (1986-90) over Chris Mullin, Greg Oden, Allan Houston

Payton had a very good junior year and outstanding senior year, but Mullin was a star all four of his years. He won Big East POY awards three straight years, and the Wooden Award as 1985 national POY, despite sharing the court with Patrick Ewing during that time. Also, Payton never won an NCAA tournament game, Mullin led STJ to the Final 4. Easy call for Mullin.

21. Tim Duncan, Wake Forest (1993-97) over Quinn Buckner, Walter Berry, Dominique Wilkins

22. Elgin Baylor, Seattle (1956-58) over Jay Williams, Clyde Drexler, Jim Jackson

23. Michael Jordan (North Carolina, 1981-84) over Pete Maravich, Anthony Davis, Wayman Tisdale

Jordan is Jordan, but Maravich was a record-setter for three years at LSU.

24. Buddy Hield, Oklahoma (2012-16) over Johnny Dawkins, Mark Aguirre, Jamal Mashburn

25. Danny Manning, Kansas (1984-88) over Penny Hardaway, Juwan Howard, Gail Goodrich

30. Stephen Curry, Davidson (2006-09) over Rasheed Wallace, Kenny Smith, Michael Beasley

31. Wes Unseld, Louisville (1965-68) over Shane Battier, Pearl Washington, Reggie Miller

32. Bill Walton, UCLA (1971-74) over Christian Laettner, Richard Hamilton, Julius Erving

33. Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar), UCLA (1966-69) over Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Patrick Ewing

34. Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston (1981-84) over Charles Barkley, Austin Carr, Len Bias

35. Kevin Durant, Texas (2006-07) over Sidney Wicks, Dick Barnett, Bob McAdoo

Durant was spectacular but only for one year at Texas. Wicks was great individually for two years, leading UCLA to the national title both times.

40. Calbert Cheaney, Indiana (1989-93) over Cody Zeller and Kurt Thomas

41. Sam Perkins (North Carolina, 1981-84) over Glen Rice

So close I'd call it a tie.

42. Bill Bradley, Princeton (1962-65) over Scott May, Jerry Stackhouse, Elton Brand

43. Mychal Thompson, Minnesota (1974-78) over Clyde Lee and Terry Dischinger

44. David Thompson, NC State (1972-75) over Elvin Hayes, Jerry West, Adrian Dantley

45. Denzel Valentine, Michigan State (2012-16) over Raef LaFrentz, Donovan Mitchell, DeJuan Blair

50. Ralph Sampson, Virginia (1979-83) over David Robinson, Tyler Hansbrough, Emeka Okafor

51. Still waiting for its legend

52. James Worthy, North Carolina (1979-82) over Walt Frazier and Jamaal Wilkes

53. Artis Gilmore, Jacksonville (1969-71) over Bernard King and Jon Koncak

54. Kent Benson, Indiana (1973-77) over Marques Johnson, Howard Porter, Horace Grant

55. Dikembe Mutombo, Georgetown (1988-91) over Michael Olowakandi and Brian Zoubek

Jersey numbers that are no longer eligible

6. Bill Russell, San Francisco (1953-56) over Cliff Hagan and Hal Lear

7. Hank Luisetti, Stanford (1935-38)

16. Clyde Lovellette, Kansas (1950-52)

17. Bob Cousy, Holy Cross (1946-50)

28. Frank Selvy, Furman (1951-54)

90. Bob Kurland, Oklahoma State (1942-46)

99. George Mikan, DePaul (1942-46)

payton over Mullin is a crime. Not a fan of Doug McD over AI, but I'm biased. AI lived up to his hype in a way that few have. His story is electrifying; his play moreso.
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(03-16-2020 08:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 05:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:22 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:04 PM)bullet Wrote:  Maravich and Chamberlin didn't have the incredible talent surrounding them that Kareem did so its hard to compare. Maravich was just unbelievable. Everyone knew he was LSU's scorer. And he kept putting up shots and scoring.

Lucius Allen, Curtis Rowe and Sidney Wicks were all at UCLA during that time, all long term pros. Lynn Shackelford did play a season in the ABA. May have been others, but those were names I quickly recognized looking at the roster.

Leaders in points per game over college career:
44.2 - Pistol Pete (6.4 rebounds, 5.1 assists)
33.8 - Oscar Robertson (15.2 rebounds and 7.1 assists)
31.0 - Elvin Hayes (17.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists)
30.7 - Freeman Williams (4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists)
30.3 - Larry Bird (13.3 rebounds, 4.6 assists)

Oscar and Kareem are the only 3-time players of the year. The USBWA POY award (which started his 2nd year) is now named the Oscar Robertson Trophy.

Unlike Pistol Pete, Oscar managed those scoring totals despite being surrounded by future NBA players like Connie Dierking (#5 overall draft pick in '58), Wayne Stevens, Ralph Davis, Bob Wiesenhahn, and Paul Hogue (#2 overall draft pick in '62).

Oscar also managed to do that despite being on one of the first integrated teams play most of its away games in the South.

Having a bunch of NBA players around you may mean you have less chances, but its a LOT easier to score when you shoot. Having 2 scorers makes a world of difference over having 1. The Big O was great all around. But Maravich was the best scorer ever.

Maravich, Oscar, and Kareem are also three of the 22 players who have scored 60 or more points in a D1 game. That hasn't been done at all since 2009, and it hasn't been done in a regulation (non-OT) game since 1994. All three of them accomplished it in regulation.

Maravich is the only player to do it more than once.

I remember Oscar with the Royals and Bucks, but not in college. Pete and Kareem I did see. I noticed how high Elvin Hayes was on the scoring list. I remember seeing that game that changed college basketball, E vs. Lew in the Astrodome. That was a great game, ending UCLA's 47 game winning streak. UCLA got even in the final 4.

I was too young to see Pete and Alcindor and Hayes play in college. The first college hoops game I remember seeing was the 1973 NCAA finals between UCLA and Memphis.

I grew up in DC and was a huge Bullets fan, and Hayes was my favorite player. He was a marvelous player for the Bullets so it has never surprised me that he was also that at Houston.
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