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ESPN will hurt: only good thing out of this
Canceled what cable I had recently gotten back—to watch some events that were upcoming (namely The NCAA wrestling tournament)
Bye bye (again) ESPIN
Hopefully I’ll never have to pay for that again
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true dat.
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IMO it is churlish to celebrate the misfortune of any person or legitimate business caused by this virus. Thumbs Down on that my friends. Let's all hope that everyone at ESPN - just like every place else - is safe from the virus, that nobody loses their jobs, etc.

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(03-14-2020 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO it is churlish to celebrate the misfortune of any person or legitimate business caused by this virus. Thumbs Down on that my friends. Let's all hope that everyone at ESPN - just like every place else - is safe from the virus, that nobody loses their jobs, etc.

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Nice way to change what I said Quo.
I didn’t say anything about espn people and the virus
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Not wishing harm on people who work for ESPN. Very much wishing that the power of sports-media to promote/enrich some constituencies, and to ignore others, would be taken away from it. Will the Wuhan Virus produce such a result? Eh, probably not. But here’s hoping.
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(03-14-2020 10:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO it is churlish to celebrate the misfortune of any person or legitimate business caused by this virus. Thumbs Down on that my friends. Let's all hope that everyone at ESPN - just like every place else - is safe from the virus, that nobody loses their jobs, etc.

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Nice way to change what I said Quo.
I didn’t say anything about espn people and the virus

I didn't change what you said. When you say you want ESPN to be harmed, ESPN is of course comprised of people, so if "ESPN" the company is harmed by the virus then that could very well lead to things that harm its people, like losing their jobs.

That said, I never thought that you hoped that ESPN people would get the virus, I know you didn't mean that, and I didn't say you did.
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I never advocate for people to lose their jobs. We can all hate on ESPN but thousands of direct and indirect jobs and people depend on them. If for example, they let cameramen go, families will be impacted and that will have a domino effect on other industries. If ESPN loses power is because the market (competition) is the main factor. I’m all for more choices and less monopolies.
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I've lost $5000 on value on my Disney stock. Billy can you send me some money?
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(03-15-2020 09:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I've lost $5000 on value on my Disney stock. Billy can you send me some money?

My 410K took a hit too
I don’t have any Disney stock
I don’t have much money
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(03-14-2020 04:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Canceled what cable I had recently gotten back—to watch some events that were upcoming (namely The NCAA wrestling tournament)
Bye bye (again) ESPIN
Hopefully I’ll never have to pay for that again

Not a wrestling fan?

College wrestling is not a predominant sport, but is a sport I enjoy watching. A one-on-one sport, no excuses, no depending on teammates.
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ESPN is going to lay off a lot of people. No two ways about it. Easiest way to cut costs when revenue is falling and I think the revenue decline is going to accelerate. People go 60-90 days sans sports, many will conclude they can survive without the ESPN family and without the local RSN and subscribe to something cheaper, made cheaper by avoiding the high carriage fees for sports.

Recession is a given and thus a given many need to slash costs. The sports networks are in trouble.

Remaining question is do they and their parent corporations eat the content contracts until they expire looking to find a new way to monetize or do they file for bankruptcy reorganization of the corporation holding those contracts.
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Some of you guys are a special breed of weirdo!
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(03-18-2020 10:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ESPN is going to lay off a lot of people. No two ways about it. Easiest way to cut costs when revenue is falling and I think the revenue decline is going to accelerate. People go 60-90 days sans sports, many will conclude they can survive without the ESPN family and without the local RSN and subscribe to something cheaper, made cheaper by avoiding the high carriage fees for sports.

The counter to that is after 60-90 days or more without sports (and also new scripted content, with shows and movies halting production), people might realize they need and want sports and will desperate consume new product. There might be a few who decide that they can live without sports, but I think in this case, absence makes the heart grow fonder and the ratings for major pro and college sports will be dramatically higher upon their return. That's not sustainable, of course, but I tend to doubt that the takeaway from this extended hiatus is "well, we never really needed sports in the first place; I rather like life without it more."
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(03-18-2020 01:46 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 10:11 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  ESPN is going to lay off a lot of people. No two ways about it. Easiest way to cut costs when revenue is falling and I think the revenue decline is going to accelerate. People go 60-90 days sans sports, many will conclude they can survive without the ESPN family and without the local RSN and subscribe to something cheaper, made cheaper by avoiding the high carriage fees for sports.

The counter to that is after 60-90 days or more without sports (and also new scripted content, with shows and movies halting production), people might realize they need and want sports and will desperate consume new product. There might be a few who decide that they can live without sports, but I think in this case, absence makes the heart grow fonder and the ratings for major pro and college sports will be dramatically higher upon their return. That's not sustainable, of course, but I tend to doubt that the takeaway from this extended hiatus is "well, we never really needed sports in the first place; I rather like life without it more."

I do expect a spike on return. I'm very skeptical once the novelty wears off that ratings will be as high.
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(03-16-2020 05:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 04:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Canceled what cable I had recently gotten back—to watch some events that were upcoming (namely The NCAA wrestling tournament)
Bye bye (again) ESPIN
Hopefully I’ll never have to pay for that again

Not a wrestling fan?

College wrestling is not a predominant sport, but is a sport I enjoy watching. A one-on-one sport, no excuses, no depending on teammates.

I’m a huge wrestling fan
It’s why I had gotten ESPN back (to watch the NCAA tournament)
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(03-18-2020 04:22 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 05:51 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 04:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Canceled what cable I had recently gotten back—to watch some events that were upcoming (namely The NCAA wrestling tournament)
Bye bye (again) ESPIN
Hopefully I’ll never have to pay for that again

Not a wrestling fan?

College wrestling is not a predominant sport, but is a sport I enjoy watching. A one-on-one sport, no excuses, no depending on teammates.

I’m a huge wrestling fan
It’s why I had gotten ESPN back (to watch the NCAA tournament)

Misunderstood. Not a stretch. Do not think ESPiN will hurt that much, if only on the MBB and spring sports.
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So are ESPN and other media outlets on the hook to pay leagues and conferences for content that has been cancelled during all of these quarantine efforts or are the leagues eating the losses?
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Do they have insurance against this kind of loss.
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(03-19-2020 09:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So are ESPN and other media outlets on the hook to pay leagues and conferences for content that has been cancelled during all of these quarantine efforts or are the leagues eating the losses?

Very unlikely they have contracts requiring them to pay. But remember they aren't paying a half a billion for a property looking to break even. They buy that content to generate ad and sponsorship funds and to be able to demand high carriage fees.

I would expect cable and satellite providers to start demand rebates on carriage fees soon.
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