(03-17-2020 09:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Wiaeman was a 7-1 game changer on both ends. Highly skilled kid. Once every 10-12 years type of talent.
Precious out worked everybody with ridiculous athleticism at 6-8 or 6-9. Raw talent who really was just more athletic and more physically dominant than anybody he went up against.

I don't see any way possible the players we are in on will be on that level, especially as freshman.

Maybe they'll be really good but they're not gonna be in the same league as guys...

Green is NBA ready the day he steps foot on the college court. He is right there with Precious and Wiseman and possibly the go to scorer we desperately lacked. Brown and Cisse can fill roles. Brown can be the athletic above the rim finisher and killer running the court. Cisse can be the defensive rim protecting shot blocker and hopefully a decent offensive rebounder.

You combine that with a class the now experienced and talented sophomores and leadership of Alo and Harris as juniors and we can easily be just as good or better than we thought we would be this year. So, while I agree that Wiseman is probably better than our best new freshman would be and Precious is better than Brown will likely be, collectively with experience I think we could be better.

if next year's team has Cisse, Brown and Green on it we'll be a longer athletic team. a different type of defense and more equipped to run the floor. we should be a better offensive team with them onboard.

(03-17-2020 09:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Wiaeman was a 7-1 game changer on both ends. Highly skilled kid. Once every 10-12 years type of talent.
Precious out worked everybody with ridiculous athleticism at 6-8 or 6-9. Raw talent who really was just more athletic and more physically dominant than anybody he went up against.

I don't see any way possible the players we are in on will be on that level, especially as freshman.

Maybe they'll be really good but they're not gonna be in the same league as guys...

Agree except for Green. He can be a game changer.

I think Brown is more skilled than Achiuwa. I think Achiuwa is more athletic with a work hard mentality that's truly hard to match.

(03-17-2020 10:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  I think Brown is more skilled than Achiuwa. I think Achiuwa is more athletic with a work hard mentality that's truly hard to match.

Brown is a more coordinated athlete than Precious. Close to an Aaron Gordon type athlete. There is a reason he is ranked higher in a significantly tougher class. Precious is only better than him at working around the rim....a skill that is minimized when you have a Cisse or Wiseman.

(03-17-2020 08:27 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 01:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 08:51 AM)dwash Wrote:  Cisse and Brown would give us close to the team we were suppossed to have this year with everyone else having an extra year experience.

Cisse and Brown would be a great Haul...But I don't think either is on the level of Precious or Wiseman.

But Green and either of Cisse or Brown (With limited defections) puts us above last year. Boogie,Q and Baugh a year older along with an elite scoring guard should do wonders for this squad. As long as green doesn't go all Dejaun Wagner on us.

Precious as a center (basically what he was) was better than Brown. However, Brown as a perimeter player or as a 4 to me will be better than Precious would have been at that spot if Wiseman was around. I think the Cisse/Brown combination has more contrast and balance than a Precious/Wiseman combo.

I agree that Brown and Cisse would be more balanced.

(03-17-2020 09:34 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Wiaeman was a 7-1 game changer on both ends. Highly skilled kid. Once every 10-12 years type of talent.
Precious out worked everybody with ridiculous athleticism at 6-8 or 6-9. Raw talent who really was just more athletic and more physically dominant than anybody he went up against.

I don't see any way possible the players we are in on will be on that level, especially as freshman.

Maybe they'll be really good but they're not gonna be in the same league as guys...

Agree except for Green. He can be a game changer.

I think Wiseman is more talented than Green...Definitely more upside.

But Green is more of what we needed...With the defense we put on the floor last year Green could have been that bail out guy that just went and got us a basket when we needed it.

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

(03-18-2020 02:47 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

Cisse is a Junior though.

I think that is the biggest difference...Precious was physically built to play NBA ball the day he set foot on Memphis' campus. Cisse will not be.

Jalen Green is on that level as a perimeter player. He's not as good as Anthony Edwards who shoots his jumper so effortlessly, but Jalen will probably be our best one on one player. Brown is equivalent to Precious athletic wise but he doesn't have Precious motor.

According to nbadraft prospect the comps to Jalen Green is Kobe light. Greg Brown is a bigger Aaron Gordon or Kevin Knox. Of course that is what they will look like as pros.

(03-18-2020 03:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:47 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

Cisse is a Junior though.

I think that is the biggest difference...Precious was physically built to play NBA ball the day he set foot on Memphis' campus. Cisse will not be.

And Precious was 20 and Cisse is 17.

(03-17-2020 09:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Wiaeman was a 7-1 game changer on both ends. Highly skilled kid. Once every 10-12 years type of talent.
Precious out worked everybody with ridiculous athleticism at 6-8 or 6-9. Raw talent who really was just more athletic and more physically dominant than anybody he went up against.

I don't see any way possible the players we are in on will be on that level, especially as freshman.

Maybe they'll be really good but they're not gonna be in the same league as guys...

Green is NBA ready the day he steps foot on the college court. He is right there with Precious and Wiseman and possibly the go to scorer we desperately lacked. Brown and Cisse can fill roles. Brown can be the athletic above the rim finisher and killer running the court. Cisse can be the defensive rim protecting shot blocker and hopefully a decent offensive rebounder.

You combine that with a class the now experienced and talented sophomores and leadership of Alo and Harris as juniors and we can easily be just as good or better than we thought we would be this year. So, while I agree that Wiseman is probably better than our best new freshman would be and Precious is better than Brown will likely be, collectively with experience I think we could be better.

I don't disagree with any if that really and yes Green is NBA ready. The difference is he's not 7-1. He's great but he's 6-5 ish and there are a bunch of 6-5 guards who can play.
We could certainl be a better team but those guys won't be as physically overwhelming as wiseman and precious

(03-18-2020 10:46 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:23 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:18 PM)450bench Wrote:  Wiaeman was a 7-1 game changer on both ends. Highly skilled kid. Once every 10-12 years type of talent.
Precious out worked everybody with ridiculous athleticism at 6-8 or 6-9. Raw talent who really was just more athletic and more physically dominant than anybody he went up against.

I don't see any way possible the players we are in on will be on that level, especially as freshman.

Maybe they'll be really good but they're not gonna be in the same league as guys...

Green is NBA ready the day he steps foot on the college court. He is right there with Precious and Wiseman and possibly the go to scorer we desperately lacked. Brown and Cisse can fill roles. Brown can be the athletic above the rim finisher and killer running the court. Cisse can be the defensive rim protecting shot blocker and hopefully a decent offensive rebounder.

You combine that with a class the now experienced and talented sophomores and leadership of Alo and Harris as juniors and we can easily be just as good or better than we thought we would be this year. So, while I agree that Wiseman is probably better than our best new freshman would be and Precious is better than Brown will likely be, collectively with experience I think we could be better.

I don't disagree with any if that really and yes Green is NBA ready. The difference is he's not 7-1. He's great but he's 6-5 ish and there are a bunch of 6-5 guards who can play.
We could certainl be a better team but those guys won't be as physically overwhelming as wiseman and precious

Yep

(03-18-2020 10:02 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:47 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

Cisse is a Junior though.

I think that is the biggest difference...Precious was physically built to play NBA ball the day he set foot on Memphis' campus. Cisse will not be.

And Precious was 20 and Cisse is 17.

We agree...When he gets here he will not be able to get by on physicality alone. Not a knock against the kid just stating that he will not have the same tools to be dominant like precious if he comes next year

Side Note...

Looks like Penny has a good story to tell with PF's..

We were recruiting 3 power forwards last year 12, 15 and 18...

We landed 15 and he is projected lottery the other 2 look like they are going to be sophomores.

(03-18-2020 03:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:47 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

Cisse is a Junior though.

I think that is the biggest difference...Precious was physically built to play NBA ball the day he set foot on Memphis' campus. Cisse will not be.

Maybe I’m taking the word wrong or people need to choose a different word? Not sure.

Raw (to me) is a 2* kid (possibly from another country) you take a gamble on because he’s a giant. For some reason this type of player averages way less rebounds and points than you would expect for someone of his stature. Earl Barron was raw at first. That is not Cisse.

The tall, strong, athletic rebounding/shot blocking skill set translates to college basketball.

(03-19-2020 11:33 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 02:47 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 09:16 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Cisse is very raw. And Brown doesn’t want to play 4-5. He wants to play wing.

Cisse seems like a rebounding/block machine. I love it when we say 5 star recruits are raw. Lol. Maybe he could improve his offensive game?

I don’t know about this dude, but people said Precious was raw and he looked like a pretty complete player to me.

Cisse is a Junior though.

I think that is the biggest difference...Precious was physically built to play NBA ball the day he set foot on Memphis' campus. Cisse will not be.

Maybe I’m taking the word wrong or people need to choose a different word? Not sure.

Raw (to me) is a 2* kid (possibly from another country) you take a gamble on because he’s a giant. For some reason this type of player averages way less rebounds and points than you would expect for someone of his stature. Earl Barron was raw at first. That is not Cisse.

The tall, strong, athletic rebounding/shot blocking skill set translates to college basketball.

I think people use the word raw to relate to basketball skill on the offensive end of the floor...

Essentially excluding natural gifts...Blocking, rebounding and defense many times can be attributed to natural gifts...But as you state much of it is skill based.

Raw just means he is inexperienced. He has the talent and will get much, much better. He just hasn’t been playing that long. He is special.

Cisse is not what we need...

Would he help the team...Yes.

But he would be redundant (Raw athletic big). We need creators at this point.

(04-16-2020 10:53 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Cisse is not what we need...

Would he help the team...Yes.

But he would be redundant (Raw athletic big). We need creators at this point.

We need 1 or 2 talented bigs. Right now we have none. zero.

DJ and his folks made it clear he doesn't want to play the 4 spot another season; he wants to develop and display his wing skills.

While I agree we need creators, its going to have to develop out of the glut of guards we already have (Lester, Boogie, Alex, Tyler, Damion, Jayden)