(03-11-2020 10:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:34 AM)miko33 Wrote:  That assumes that Republican and Democrat voters are only about their own political party as opposed to picking who they feel would be the best person. I don't believe that a voter affiliated with the Dem Party is a slam dunk to vote for the Democrat in the election. The same can be said about GOP voters as well.

You may be right. For me, I'm by no means going to blindly vote for Biden. I may just leave that box blank. However, I don't think folks in the same boat as me will swing it either way...especially since the numbers are likely pretty equal on both sides.

I can't imagine anyone voting for Biden given what we can observe about his condition. I get that people who would vote for him are thinking that his VP is going to be the real authority. However, I have a real problem with that. The VP pick will most likely be a previously rejected person. And even worse - it will be the most poorly executed bait and switch seen in a very long time.

Yeah, but we are also currently observing trump's condition as well.

Incidentally, my BIL voted for trump last time totally believing that Pence would run the day to day things and trump would just be a point man and cheerleader.

I don't observe any signs of dementia in Trump. Is this going to be the next WHATABOUTISM that will be spun - that Trump is diminishing in his mental capacity too?

Dude...have you ever listened to his speeches? C'mon man. He's not all there sometimes. Maybe it's not dementia per se, but he's clearly got some toys in the attic!

Also, we've been talking about trump's mental state long before Biden even declared.

The biggest thing to me about this past run is how well Biden performed in what is normally identified as a pretty incredibly progressive state, Washington. As of right now, he's only 2,000 votes back in a state that Sanders won against Clinton by nearly 50%. Now...the big takeaway, as has been the case in all other states that switched, is Bernie rode a pretty big wave from Caucuses which benefit smaller, more devoted, and vocal groups. All of the states that switched from Caucuses to Primaries (MN, CO, ME, WA, and UT) had results that skewed Biden, either with him winning outright or overperforming the results from the '16 Caucuses.

(03-11-2020 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You may be right. For me, I'm by no means going to blindly vote for Biden. I may just leave that box blank. However, I don't think folks in the same boat as me will swing it either way...especially since the numbers are likely pretty equal on both sides.

I can't imagine anyone voting for Biden given what we can observe about his condition. I get that people who would vote for him are thinking that his VP is going to be the real authority. However, I have a real problem with that. The VP pick will most likely be a previously rejected person. And even worse - it will be the most poorly executed bait and switch seen in a very long time.

Yeah, but we are also currently observing trump's condition as well.

Incidentally, my BIL voted for trump last time totally believing that Pence would run the day to day things and trump would just be a point man and cheerleader.

I don't observe any signs of dementia in Trump. Is this going to be the next WHATABOUTISM that will be spun - that Trump is diminishing in his mental capacity too?

Dude...have you ever listened to his speeches? C'mon man. He's not all there sometimes. Maybe it's not dementia per se, but he's clearly got some toys in the attic!

Also, we've been talking about trump's mental state long before Biden even declared.

Trump is not a great orator, and no doubt Trump has made gaffes when speaking. But c'mon yourself - to equate Trump and Biden regarding lucidity is stupid. You can review Biden's speeches from a few years ago and compare that to Biden today and see an obvious decline. Like I said - whataboutism.

(03-10-2020 10:33 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 09:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  The real suspenseful question of the night-How would Tulsi do?
Polls seem to have gotten the Biden/Sanders vote close enough in MI, MO, MS-all Biden comfortable wins.

But what would Tulsi do?
MS-69% in-she is 5th with 0.4% behind Bloomberg in 3 and Warren in 4 (I saw one of Bloomberg's commercials in GA a day or two after he dropped out).
MO-58% in-also 5th behind Bloomberg in 3 and Warren in 4 with 0.8%.
MI-52% in and in 6th place, behind Bloomberg in 3, Warren in 4 and Buttigieg in 5th with 0.6%.

I always thought it was harder than that to kick yourself in the nuts....

Well Tulsi dropped in the late precincts.
0.6% 7th place in MI only beating Steyer
0.7% 5th in MO
0.4% 5th in MS
0.8% 6th in ID only ahead of Klob & Steyer
0.6% 7th in ND, the only state Klobuchar beat anyone other than Tulsi & Steyer (4th behind Warren)
Washington is in 7th with 0.8%. Must be a lot of absentee with Biden & Sanders only getting 65% between them.

This speech from bernie is objectively terrible. Hire someone outside of your bubble FFS.

(03-11-2020 12:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  This speech from bernie is objectively terrible. Hire someone outside of your bubble FFS.

That's the problem with Sanders supporters...no ideas or policies outside of their own have any merit whatsoever.

(03-11-2020 12:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 12:07 PM)Kronke Wrote:  This speech from bernie is objectively terrible. Hire someone outside of your bubble FFS.

That's the problem with Sanders supporters...no ideas or policies outside of their own have any merit whatsoever.

He has an opportunity to look presidential, knowing every outlet is going to cover his press conference, and he goes up there and calls Trump a "homophobe". What in the world? Did I miss a news cycle?

bernie sanders is a loser. It's laughable. He isn't a serious person.

Bernie is done. Put a fork in him.

I’m hoping he doesn’t quit because I want to see how well Corona Joe does against Bernie in the debates. Clyburn out there begging for the DNC to cancel the debates, shutdown the primaries. Clyburn says only bad things will be said..lol

The DNC is so crooked they are trying to screw Bernie again instead of just letting this play out.

(03-11-2020 11:06 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:32 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I can't imagine anyone voting for Biden given what we can observe about his condition. I get that people who would vote for him are thinking that his VP is going to be the real authority. However, I have a real problem with that. The VP pick will most likely be a previously rejected person. And even worse - it will be the most poorly executed bait and switch seen in a very long time.

Yeah, but we are also currently observing trump's condition as well.

Incidentally, my BIL voted for trump last time totally believing that Pence would run the day to day things and trump would just be a point man and cheerleader.

I don't observe any signs of dementia in Trump. Is this going to be the next WHATABOUTISM that will be spun - that Trump is diminishing in his mental capacity too?

Dude...have you ever listened to his speeches? C'mon man. He's not all there sometimes. Maybe it's not dementia per se, but he's clearly got some toys in the attic!

Also, we've been talking about trump's mental state long before Biden even declared.

Trump is not a great orator, and no doubt Trump has made gaffes when speaking. But c'mon yourself - to equate Trump and Biden regarding lucidity is stupid. You can review Biden's speeches from a few years ago and compare that to Biden today and see an obvious decline. Like I said - whataboutism.

It might be whataboutism, except I'm not a Biden supporter and am on record that I can't in good conscience vote for him and then complain about trump's mental state. And with trump, again it may not be dementia, but to me he does not have the mental stability to be an effective leader. He flies off the handle too much, says moronic stuff, and continually paints himself as some genius when he's an abject moron on most subjects. He's reckless and dangerous.

(03-11-2020 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It might be whataboutism, except I'm not a Biden supporter and am on record that I can't in good conscience vote for him and then complain about trump's mental state. And with trump, again it may not be dementia, but to me he does not have the mental stability to be an effective leader. He flies off the handle too much, says moronic stuff, and continually paints himself as some genius when he's an abject moron on most subjects. He's reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a populist, and those are exactly the kinds of things that are said routinely by the establishment about populists. I've heard them said all my life about people like Huey Long (in the past tense), Jim Folsom, Edwin Edwards, and others. It's a stylistic thing, they way they say and do things. In probably the most extreme example, Edwards reportedly once said, "They say I've stolen $20 million from the State of Louisiana. That's a lie. We've had the auditors in, and they say it's not a dime over $10 million."

They scare people, because they can be reckless and dangerous. I think Trump is more scary than either reckless or dangerous. He's Al Czervik (the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack).

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I probably dislike any of the democrats in the field more than you dislike Trump.

(03-11-2020 07:53 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 05:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bernie should drop out and accept his $$ from the party and donors again like 2016.

But he won’t...he’ll keep raising money and running ads since 10% of the ad buy $$ washes through his wife’s company.

I think he has a block of states coming up in April he might do well in.

Nah. The rock is rolling down hill and picking up speed just like the power brokers wanted. This is over.

(03-11-2020 06:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It might be whataboutism, except I'm not a Biden supporter and am on record that I can't in good conscience vote for him and then complain about trump's mental state. And with trump, again it may not be dementia, but to me he does not have the mental stability to be an effective leader. He flies off the handle too much, says moronic stuff, and continually paints himself as some genius when he's an abject moron on most subjects. He's reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a populist, and those are exactly the kinds of things that are said routinely by the establishment about populists. I've heard them said all my life about people like Huey Long (in the past tense), Jim Folsom, Edwin Edwards, and others. It's a stylistic thing, they way they say and do things. In probably the most extreme example, Edwards reportedly once said, "They say I've stolen $20 million from the State of Louisiana. That's a lie. We've had the auditors in, and they say it's not a dime over $10 million."

They scare people, because they can be reckless and dangerous. I think Trump is more scary than either reckless or dangerous. He's Al Czervik (the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack).

I'm not a Trump supporter, but I probably dislike any of the democrats in the field more than you dislike Trump.

And I'm not much thrilled with any of the democrats either, which is why I likely won't vote for any of them. And I'm not voting for trump either. So if you do the same, I think that's to be applauded.

(03-12-2020 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 06:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It might be whataboutism, except I'm not a Biden supporter and am on record that I can't in good conscience vote for him and then complain about trump's mental state. And with trump, again it may not be dementia, but to me he does not have the mental stability to be an effective leader. He flies off the handle too much, says moronic stuff, and continually paints himself as some genius when he's an abject moron on most subjects. He's reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a populist, and those are exactly the kinds of things that are said routinely by the establishment about populists. I've heard them said all my life about people like Huey Long (in the past tense), Jim Folsom, Edwin Edwards, and others. It's a stylistic thing, they way they say and do things. In probably the most extreme example, Edwards reportedly once said, "They say I've stolen $20 million from the State of Louisiana. That's a lie. We've had the auditors in, and they say it's not a dime over $10 million."
They scare people, because they can be reckless and dangerous. I think Trump is more scary than either reckless or dangerous. He's Al Czervik (the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack).
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I probably dislike any of the democrats in the field more than you dislike Trump.

And I'm not much thrilled with any of the democrats either, which is why I likely won't vote for any of them. And I'm not voting for trump either. So if you do the same, I think that's to be applauded.

So our difference is limited to I dislike the democrats more than I dislike Trump and you dislike Trump more than you dislike the democrats? I probably won't vote for Trump either.

(03-12-2020 09:37 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 08:00 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 06:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It might be whataboutism, except I'm not a Biden supporter and am on record that I can't in good conscience vote for him and then complain about trump's mental state. And with trump, again it may not be dementia, but to me he does not have the mental stability to be an effective leader. He flies off the handle too much, says moronic stuff, and continually paints himself as some genius when he's an abject moron on most subjects. He's reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a populist, and those are exactly the kinds of things that are said routinely by the establishment about populists. I've heard them said all my life about people like Huey Long (in the past tense), Jim Folsom, Edwin Edwards, and others. It's a stylistic thing, they way they say and do things. In probably the most extreme example, Edwards reportedly once said, "They say I've stolen $20 million from the State of Louisiana. That's a lie. We've had the auditors in, and they say it's not a dime over $10 million."
They scare people, because they can be reckless and dangerous. I think Trump is more scary than either reckless or dangerous. He's Al Czervik (the Rodney Dangerfield character in Caddyshack).
I'm not a Trump supporter, but I probably dislike any of the democrats in the field more than you dislike Trump.

And I'm not much thrilled with any of the democrats either, which is why I likely won't vote for any of them. And I'm not voting for trump either. So if you do the same, I think that's to be applauded.

So our difference is limited to I dislike the democrats more than I dislike Trump and you dislike Trump more than you dislike the democrats? I probably won't vote for Trump either.

Well in political news, it looks like the DNC has stretched the Washington primary out long enough to produce enough votes for Biden to win. With 95% in Biden is up by 29,000 votes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Washi...ic_primary

2020 Washington Democratic primary[8][9]
Candidate Votes % Delegates
Joe Biden 544,978 37.70 43
Bernie Sanders 515,411 35.65 37
Elizabeth Warren (withdrawn†) 138,171 9.56
Michael Bloomberg (withdrawn†) 119,052 8.24
Pete Buttigieg (withdrawn†) 61,382 4.6
Amy Klobuchar (withdrawn†) 32,281 2.4
Tulsi Gabbard 11,307 0.8
Andrew Yang (withdrawn) 5,706 0.4
Tom Steyer (withdrawn†) 3,285 0.2
Michael Bennet (withdrawn) 1,795 0.1
Cory Booker (withdrawn) 1,199 0.1
John Delaney (withdrawn) 518 0.0
Deval Patrick (withdrawn) 459 0.0
Uncommitted 5,799 0.4
Total Write-ins 1,310 0.1
Total 1,442,332 75 (of 89)