(03-31-2020 02:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is what everyone starting line up is looking like (so far) for next season...IMO
* = name in draft but i think they come back

Wichita--
Alterique Gilbert (tr)
Tyson Etienne
Dexter Dennis
Trey Wade
Isaiah Poor Bear Chandler (could be usurped depending on quality of big acquired)

Even with all the turmoil .. this is still one of the most solid starting lineups in the league IMO. Biggest questions are how big the drop off becomes for the 2nd string and if Bilau lives up to the hype to replace chandler at the 5

(03-31-2020 02:54 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

I doubt Vogt and Diarra play together much at all. Neither can put the ball on the floor or guard ball screens well. Eason is the x-factor. He needs to have a very good freshman year to get this team to the tournament.

I'm curious how Vogt does this year. It felt like most of the time when he was scoring it was because of Cumberland TBH. I didn't watch all your games and maybe he has other talents he didn't need to showcase because Cumberland was able to set him up so well but it will be interesting for sure.

(03-31-2020 04:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 11:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  Nate Pierre Louis (Temple) & Isiaha Mike (SMU) have put their names in the NBA Draft, but will keep options open

Most Temple fans seem to be expecting that NPL won't be returning to play at Temple, based on his announcement, which sounded like a farewell letter.

If so, then whatever chances Temple might have had to make their way into even the NIT with a winning record next season may have just gone out the window.

There is a lot of concern among Temple fans now, based on how the 19-20 season played out, the departure of Rose and now apparently NPL, and the fact that McKie just signed an unknown and unranked (2 star) local player, rather than a potential impact player. Some are openly questioning the direction of the program at present.

every announcement sounds like a farewell letter..its done on purpose to make it so scouts take you seriously ... they arent going to put too much effort into a guy that they know has no interest in coming out if they like him...the fact he noted to mention he'll keep his eligibility available is the only important part.. he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

(03-31-2020 04:26 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I'm curious how Vogt does this year. It felt like most of the time when he was scoring it was because of Cumberland TBH. I didn't watch all your games and maybe he has other talents he didn't need to showcase because Cumberland was able to set him up so well but it will be interesting for sure.

no its the system that brannen runs, not particularly vogt or cumberland ...the same thing was happening in the beginning of the season when mcneal was running the show for them the 1st few games

brannen system, in previous school aswell, runs an infinite amount of pick and roll for the bigs. it looked like cumberland at the end of the season because he was the main ball handler and thus he ran most of the pick and rolls, but games at the beginning of the season...or Brannen's time at NKU, with star mcdonald, this is just the brannen system, bigs get lot of touches in his system

(03-31-2020 02:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is what everyone starting line up is looking like (so far) for next season

Tulsa--
Elijah Joiner
Darien Jackson (likely to be jumped by 1 of their 2 transfers)
Brandon Rachal
Jeriah Horne
Emmanuel Ugboh

I would replace Jackson with Keyshawn Embery-Simpson, 4* transfer from Arkansas. Jackson and Josh Earley should be first off the bench. Haith substitutes early and freely so I would expect to see 13 players, assuming no redshirts or mandatory sit-out players, in the OOC part of the schedule and 10 or 11 seeing action during conference play. If they live up to the hype I would expect considerable minutes from Rod Brown (Pearl River CC transfer) and Keyshawn Williams 3* freshman from the Chicago area.

(03-31-2020 04:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

Wanna bet?

(03-31-2020 06:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

Wanna bet?

signature bet for a week?.. im down..you?

he just wrote a monologue on his Instagram story not to long ago about how he will make the league..his draft letter spoke of his loyalty to temple, and he made sure to note he will not do anything to lose his eligibility
he has zero draft stock, especially as a 6'4 SG who cant shoot, there likely wont be summer league for undrafted to prove themselves, there is no benefit to him leaving..

my bet is he goes to draft advisory board (who gives you a grade), when he gets back his grade of undrafted and should return, with reports that he has to improve his shooting , he will likely return...thats my sig bet

since you are the opposite, im guessing your bet is he stays in the draft? im down for that

(03-31-2020 06:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 06:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

Wanna bet?

signature bet for a week?.. im down..you?

he just wrote a monologue on his Instagram story not to long ago about how he will make the league..his draft letter spoke of his loyalty to temple, and he made sure to note he will not do anything to lose his eligibility
he has zero draft stock, especially as a 6'4 SG who cant shoot, there likely wont be summer league for undrafted to prove themselves, there is no benefit to him leaving..

my bet is he goes to draft advisory board (who gives you a grade), when he gets back his grade of undrafted and should return, with reports that he has to improve his shooting , he will likely return...thats my sig bet

since you are the opposite, im guessing your bet is he stays in the draft? im down for that

I'm saying he's not coming back. Whether that means the draft or something else. He won't play at Temple again.

(03-31-2020 05:15 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  [quote='pesik' pid='16760516' dateline='1585681847']
this is what everyone starting line up is looking like (so far) for next season

Tulsa--
Elijah Joiner
Darien Jackson (likely to be jumped by 1 of their 2 transfers)
Brandon Rachal
Jeriah Horne
Emmanuel Ugboh

Ugboh isn't more than a mop-up guy at this level. I would go with:

Joiner
Jackson
Embery-Simpson
Rachal
Horne

Josh Earley is the only true big on this roster with the potential to start.

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

harvey's a better shooter than hypothetical

(03-31-2020 07:10 PM)DeMarioHooper Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 05:15 PM)Nevadanatural Wrote:  [quote='pesik' pid='16760516' dateline='1585681847']
this is what everyone starting line up is looking like (so far) for next season

Tulsa--
Elijah Joiner
Darien Jackson (likely to be jumped by 1 of their 2 transfers)
Brandon Rachal
Jeriah Horne
Emmanuel Ugboh

Ugboh isn't more than a mop-up guy at this level. I would go with:

Joiner
Jackson
Embery-Simpson
Rachal
Horne

Josh Earley is the only true big on this roster with the potential to start.

That’s a lineup we’re likely to see at some point but you can’t have a starting lineup in the AAC where your biggest guy is 6’6”.

(03-31-2020 07:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  I'm saying he's not coming back. Whether that means the draft or something else. He won't play at Temple again.

okay we'll hedge the bet...1 week sig bet.... if he plays for temple, i win 1 week.. if he stays in the draft you win, 1 week....

a hedge bet where you still win if he comes back and transfers but but just for 2 days...

i dont know the internal working or relationships.. i also dont know if he is eligible for grad transfers....but i will still do a lower level bet he comes back on context clues.. he has a brother at temple that he either abandons or will be forced to sitout a year, he praised his love for temple in his announcement. also that aaron mckie talked about only having 1 scholarship 4 days ago in an interview (which accounts for NPL)..him transferring is in the realm of possibility, but just to make this interesting ill still bet he comes back for some off-season fun

sound good?

(03-31-2020 04:26 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:54 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

I doubt Vogt and Diarra play together much at all. Neither can put the ball on the floor or guard ball screens well. Eason is the x-factor. He needs to have a very good freshman year to get this team to the tournament.

I'm curious how Vogt does this year. It felt like most of the time when he was scoring it was because of Cumberland TBH. I didn't watch all your games and maybe he has other talents he didn't need to showcase because Cumberland was able to set him up so well but it will be interesting for sure.

He definitely some pretty good low post skills but he’s very deliberate. He really wore down at the end of the year and is a poor rebounder. I personally still like Mamoudou Diarra at the 5 - he’s very athletic, rebounds well and can really shoot it from deep. He just needs to continue to improving his IQ and strength. Hopefully he gets at least half the minutes at the 5.

(03-31-2020 07:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:07 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  I'm saying he's not coming back. Whether that means the draft or something else. He won't play at Temple again.

okay we'll hedge the bet...1 week sig bet.... if he plays for temple, i win 1 week.. if he stays in the draft you win, 1 week....

a hedge bet where you still win if he comes back and transfers but but just for 2 days...

i dont know the internal working or relationships.. i also dont know if he is eligible for grad transfers....but i will still do a lower level bet he comes back on context clues.. he has a brother at temple that he either abandons or will be forced to sitout a year, he praised his love for temple in his announcement. also that aaron mckie talked about only having 1 scholarship 4 days ago in an interview (which accounts for NPL)..him transferring is in the realm of possibility, but just to make this interesting ill still bet he comes back for some off-season fun

sound good?

Yup

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

Cmon, Diarra shot 74% from 3 last year

In all honesty, he will be a threat from 3 potentially, forcing harder hedges, etc. KW took a jump to 34% from 3 as a junior, so he's capable. MAW shot 37% from deep in controlled looks, and Harvey shot 36% from 3 in conference.

Have to keep in mind when KW was given the keys to the offense, things went well a lot. He was forced to win @ECU and @USF because Jarron was out or in foul trouble.

(03-31-2020 08:06 PM)kskenyon4 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

Cmon, Diarra shot 74% from 3 last year

In all honesty, he will be a threat from 3 potentially, forcing harder hedges, etc. KW took a jump to 34% from 3 as a junior, so he's capable. MAW shot 37% from deep in controlled looks, and Harvey shot 36% from 3 in conference.

Have to keep in mind when KW was given the keys to the offense, things went well a lot. He was forced to win @ECU and @USF because Jarron was out or in foul trouble.

was more talking for spacing, than percentages..almost all those guys only shoot when wide open, diarra is extremely hesitant and regularly even passes up wide open 3s..none of them are even high volume scorers to see a threat (to make up for shooting)

if you're an opposing coach against that lineup:
--obviously focusing on stopping Williams and vogt

for diarra, harvey and MAW.. are you telling them to defend them tight and suffocating them/heavy perimeter defense (intern spacing the floor/creating 1 on 1s)..or are you telling their defender sag off them a little & player help defense on williams/vogt..clog the post/multiple defenders in the post, play recovery D if you guys has the ball (only defend hard when they have the ball)

Well the hope is Harvey develops and gains some confidence to be a legitimate threat. For as much as you tout things Sampson says, Brannen called Harvey an elite scorer last week in a podcast. Hopefully it shows up as a sophomore.

(03-31-2020 04:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 11:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  Nate Pierre Louis (Temple) & Isiaha Mike (SMU) have put their names in the NBA Draft, but will keep options open

Most Temple fans seem to be expecting that NPL won't be returning to play at Temple, based on his announcement, which sounded like a farewell letter.

If so, then whatever chances Temple might have had to make their way into even the NIT with a winning record next season may have just gone out the window.

There is a lot of concern among Temple fans now, based on how the 19-20 season played out, the departure of Rose and now apparently NPL, and the fact that McKie just signed an unknown and unranked (2 star) local player, rather than a potential impact player. Some are openly questioning the direction of the program at present.

every announcement sounds like a farewell letter..its done on purpose to make it so scouts take you seriously ... they arent going to put too much effort into a guy that they know has no interest in coming out if they like him...the fact he noted to mention he'll keep his eligibility available is the only important part.. he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

While it’s highly unlikely NPL will be drafted, there may be another factor that will go onto his decision whether he’ll return to Temple or not. As even though he was was a Junior this season, it’s my understanding that NPL will be graduating in a few months, and as such, he has the option of transferring as a graduate student and playing immediately. While I doubt he’ll choose that option, one should not dismiss that out of hand, nor his possibly deciding to play overseas.

Also, there’s an even bigger picture as there may not be a 2020-2021 college bb season. Wile we hope such does not occur, listening to health experts it’s far from certain as the coronavirus is not anticipated to dissipate that much this summer, and is expected to return in the fall.

Moreover, the projected high death rates are likely to decline, deaths are projected to extend into the fall, and probably beyond. There is also right now no basis for expecting things to improve that much this year given that testing is not where it should be, and that some States are not presently sheltering in place that is so needed for us to project some light at the end of the tunnel.

Hard to see how teams can practice if there is still a chance of players becoming infected with the coronavirus.

(04-01-2020 05:59 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 04:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 11:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  Nate Pierre Louis (Temple) & Isiaha Mike (SMU) have put their names in the NBA Draft, but will keep options open

Most Temple fans seem to be expecting that NPL won't be returning to play at Temple, based on his announcement, which sounded like a farewell letter.

If so, then whatever chances Temple might have had to make their way into even the NIT with a winning record next season may have just gone out the window.

There is a lot of concern among Temple fans now, based on how the 19-20 season played out, the departure of Rose and now apparently NPL, and the fact that McKie just signed an unknown and unranked (2 star) local player, rather than a potential impact player. Some are openly questioning the direction of the program at present.

every announcement sounds like a farewell letter..its done on purpose to make it so scouts take you seriously ... they arent going to put too much effort into a guy that they know has no interest in coming out if they like him...the fact he noted to mention he'll keep his eligibility available is the only important part.. he is coming back as he has no draft stock what so ever and he wants to play in the nba (will come back to try and improve his weaknesses)

While it’s highly unlikely NPL will be drafted, there may be another factor that will go onto his decision whether he’ll return to Temple or not. As even though he was was a Junior this season, it’s my understanding that NPL will be graduating in a few months, and as such, he has the option of transferring as a graduate student and playing immediately. While I doubt he’ll choose that option, one should not dismiss that out of hand, nor his possibly deciding to play overseas.

Also, there’s an even bigger picture as there may not be a 2020-2021 college bb season. Wile we hope such does not occur, listening to health experts it’s far from certain as the coronavirus is not anticipated to dissipate that much this summer, and is expected to return in the fall.

Moreover, the projected high death rates are likely to decline, deaths are projected to extend into the fall, and probably beyond. There is also right now no basis for expecting things to improve that much this year given that testing is not where it should be, and that some States are not presently sheltering in place that is so needed for us to project some light at the end of the tunnel.

Hard to see how teams can practice if there is still a chance of players becoming infected with the coronavirus.

That’s actually not true. It’s absolutely supposed to dissipate over the summer. They just think it could come back during the fall. Similar to other viruses. And that is why college ADs are talking over starting the football season in July. To avoid the cooler months as much as possible.

(03-31-2020 09:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 08:06 PM)kskenyon4 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:42 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 02:20 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  I bet Harvey starts for UC.

I agree with this.

MAW
Harvey
Williams
Diarra
Vogt

At least to start the season.

no true shooters or scorers.. that would be a poor offensive lineup

Cmon, Diarra shot 74% from 3 last year

In all honesty, he will be a threat from 3 potentially, forcing harder hedges, etc. KW took a jump to 34% from 3 as a junior, so he's capable. MAW shot 37% from deep in controlled looks, and Harvey shot 36% from 3 in conference.

Have to keep in mind when KW was given the keys to the offense, things went well a lot. He was forced to win @ECU and @USF because Jarron was out or in foul trouble.

was more talking for spacing, than percentages..almost all those guys only shoot when wide open, diarra is extremely hesitant and regularly even passes up wide open 3s..none of them are even high volume scorers to see a threat (to make up for shooting)

if you're an opposing coach against that lineup:
--obviously focusing on stopping Williams and vogt

for diarra, harvey and MAW.. are you telling them to defend them tight and suffocating them/heavy perimeter defense (intern spacing the floor/creating 1 on 1s)..or are you telling their defender sag off them a little & player help defense on williams/vogt..clog the post/multiple defenders in the post, play recovery D if you guys has the ball (only defend hard when they have the ball)

Of course that is how teams will defend Cincy again, it will be the same with or without Cumberland, and KW will have the same desire to get to the rim as JC, and less trigger happy probably from outside.

KW was 2/3 in all major stats last year for us, points, plus-minus. I honestly don't have a ton of pause for us on offense next year, ORtg we return 1, 3, 4 and 5. Clogging the middle will only lead to better looks from the outside if thats how folks want to defend, and we have capable shooters.

With all that said, if KW doesn't come back, my expectations plummet. I truly think he will play as first team conference. He loves to be the focal point.