(03-13-2020 02:18 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 02:07 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  Thank you for the post.

I, the public, interpret this to mean we should also drink the soap should we get the virus so it kills the germs in our body.

And that we should also buy more toilet paper.

I have been using cocaine and bleach to make sure I don't get it.

I’m symptom free and have been cleaning my place like crazy. Totally agree!


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(03-13-2020 07:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 07:03 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  I have been tracking the official reports on the number of reported cases (NY Times, based on CDC data), and have prepared these graphs to illustrate the trends this week:


4000 (if there were a 200% increase from Tue to Sat)..............*
3900
3800
3700
3600
3500 cases
3400
3300
3200 (if there is a 100% increase from Thu to Sat)..................*
3100
3000 cases
2900
2800
2700
2600 (if there is a 60% increase from Thu to Sat)....................*
2500 cases
2400
2300
2200
2,151...............(projected, based on current data)..................* (~35% increase)
2,000 cases...................................................* (if the Tue-Thu increase had been 100%)
1900
1800
1700
1600 cases....................................................* (60% increase, reported)
1500
1400
1300
1200
1100
1000 cases..........................* (100% increase, reported)
900
800
700
600
500 cases..* (reported)
..............Sun.......Mon.......Tue.......Wed.......Thu.......Fri.......Sat





This graph shows data suggesting a possible slowing of the increase in the number of COVID-19 cases:


100% increase....................* (36 hrs Sun-Thu)
90%
80%
70%
60% increase................................................* (36 hrs Tue-Thu)
50%
45%
40%
35% increase...(estimate, based on current data)....................* (36 hrs Thu-Sat)
30%
25%
20%
15%
10%
0% increase
..............Sun.......Mon.......Tue.......Wed.......Thu.......Fri.......Sat


The increase in the number of reported cases has continued to suggest evidence of a slowing trend.

1,875 cases have been reported as of 2:44 pm. on Friday, March 13th.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020...cases.html


Comparing with the number of cases approximately 18 hours ago (1,599 cases), there has been a 17.2% increase since 8:36 Thursday evening.

If this rate continues through Saturday afternoon, the increase from Thursday at 8:36 to Saturday afternoon would be in the 30% to 40% range during the 36 hour period.

Q: How does this compare to the reported rate of increase in the 36 hours between Sunday and Tuesday?

A: The increase from Sunday through Tuesday was approximately an 100% increase, from over 500 cases to over 1,000 cases)?

Q: What was the rate of increase during the next 36 hours, between Tuesday and Thursday?

A: The increase during this 36 hour period was approximately 60% (from over 1,000 cases to at least 1,599 cases).

Q: So the available information on the number of COVID-19 cases, as recorded by the NY Times continues to suggest that the public health efforts are helping to reduce the rate of increase in COVID-19 infections since Sunday?

A: Correct.

Total cases

March 4 158
March 5 221
March 6 319
March 7 435
March 8 541
March 9 704
March 10 994
March 11 1301
March 12 1697
March 13 2269

We know from Chinese and Italian numbers that you can take these expanding numbers out 10 days or so because--these are just the cases that have come in. There are about 10 days worth of expanding cases out there still walking around that either dont have any symptoms yet or dont really feel bad enough to come to a doctor. We know about 15-20% of all cases will need hospitalization. Hopefully, the moves made this week will be enough to flatten out the acceleration of the infection rate. It takes about 10 days after the onset of symptoms to start needing hospitalization (for those who will eventually require it).

Just to give you a sense---We have 2269 cases as of today. On March 6th, Italy had 2036 cases (over 200 less than we have now). Today, just 7 days later--Italy has 17,660 cases and is overwhelmed. Thats despite the fact that Italy shut things down over the weekend. It takes a while for that clamping down of social contact to work its way through the system.

Either way--simple math tells us the first wave is going to start hitting hospitals in about 10 to 15 days. We need to be surging ICU space and need to be calling up military field doctors and setting up field hospitals (if necessary to increase ICU ventilator beds to our max capacity) so we have overflow space that can take pressure off of areas that have a shortage of beds.

Yep. Our numbers are way behind the actual truth.


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Eat tide pods.

I was watching Dr. Oz this morning. He said just the simplest advice of washing your hands regularly alone reduces the risk of transmission by 50%.

According to one epidemiologist (and I’ve read elsewhere), the number of announced cases will surge simply because of increased testing.

Quote: First of all, we are going to see a tremendous increase in the number of cases of coronavirus in the coming days. This is not entirely because of some new pattern in the spread of the disease but rather due to a major change in the requirements to be tested.

Until recently, if you had a flu-like illness but had not recently traveled to China, Italy, South Korea or Iran, you could not be tested. This is just the way health care works; you get tested if you meet the case definition, and the case definition included travel.

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Now, you can be tested if you are sick and have a doctor's order to be tested, so expect things to feel a lot more panicky all of a sudden. We will see hundreds or thousands of new cases as testing increases.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/opinion...012545002/

Read an article that we consciously and unconsciously touch the area around your eyes, nose, and mouth 3,000 times a day. Entry points for the virus. Washing your hands with soap is literally one of the best ways to help prevent the spread of this virus.

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

Yep. Anyone who offers a differing opinion is an idiot.

Cancel culture. Coming soon to a message board near you.

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

This isn’t political. This is one of those things, like the 2008 crisis and 9/11, that is not about politics. I’m not a politics guy at all, Your boy is prob going to win anyway, so get past that and listen to people who are experts in the field. You don’t need to panic, you just need to be smart.

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

The economy is going to take a hit. It was going to happen anyway with China, Italy, and now France (Spain and Germany are likely to follow soon as they are on the same path) all having shutdowns. That was going to effect us. Hopefully, because we shut down big events earlier in the curve (and that makes a big difference), we can completely avoid the need for a complete shutdown.

On the upside, while there will be some permanent economic damage---there will be quite a bit of pent up demand released when this passes that should re-energize the economy. Also, I suspect we will see a crap load of over seas supply chain jobs returning home that will also aid economic growth. That said, its very improtant that this social distancing work so a full Italian style shutdown is not required.

(03-15-2020 12:42 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

This isn’t political. This is one of those things, like the 2008 crisis and 9/11, that is not about politics. I’m not a politics guy at all, Your boy is prob going to win anyway, so get past that and listen to people who are experts in the field. You don’t need to panic, you just need to be smart.

Sadly, there is a whole community of people who believe this is a Deep State conspiracy to remove Trump.

These are the same people who will be ironically left holding the bag when this thing officially blows up.

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

Excellent post and I hope he takes your advice.

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

In an odd way there may be some benefits to younger people getting out and getting exposed --- and then recovering. That is, if the 'at risk' population stays hunkered down during that period. It might help produce some immunity in the population. No way that should be advocated - just some possible unintended benefit.

My sister is an RN. She works at a hospital in the Northwest Suburbs of Chicago. Yesterday I spoke with her for about an hour about all of this. I was unaware that the Corona Virus is not the flu. She said it's a super mutation of a cold (I'm paraphrasing).

She said the Corona Virus has been around for awhile. It's just this mutation of it is very dangerous. She said I don't need a mask, but I do need to wash my hands several times a day. She also said, don't touch my face, and don't pick my nose. Coronavirus is not influenza.

She said the hospital went into a panic when one patient came in with flu like symptoms, and he had recently been in China. Everyone was on high alert, but it turned out he just had the flu. So far nobody has been admitted to the hospital with covid-19.

she surprised me on how calm she was about the whole thing.

At least Mexico isn’t whipped up into a frenzy by the media.

https://apnews.com/96c71c1f4bd4c202d1d06e00b9f36d51

(03-15-2020 08:18 AM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  I was watching Dr. Oz this morning. He said just the simplest advice of washing your hands regularly alone reduces the risk of transmission by 50%.

I am now washing my hands after washing my hands.

(03-15-2020 12:54 PM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:42 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

This isn’t political. This is one of those things, like the 2008 crisis and 9/11, that is not about politics. I’m not a politics guy at all, Your boy is prob going to win anyway, so get past that and listen to people who are experts in the field. You don’t need to panic, you just need to be smart.

Sadly, there is a whole community of people who believe this is a Deep State conspiracy to remove Trump.

These are the same people who will be ironically left holding the bag when this thing officially blows up.

Funny, I met somebody who thought this was a Trumpian conspiracy to assume martial law and declare a dictatorship. Crazy how conspiracies can go either way.

(03-15-2020 01:04 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:16 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 11:03 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

I get it.

Overwhelming the healthcare system = not good.

Minimizing the number of cases = good.

I also get this...

Crashing the economy amid an absolute panic over a strain of flu that for a vast majority of those infected is entirely survivable = not good.

Is Tom Hanks hospitalized ? Is Rudy Gobert hospitalized?

As calloused as this sounds, we lose people to every strain of the flu. Some people are just vulnerable to it. It just a fact of life.

The US is not Europe. We have different standards. Some of us would like it to stay that way. Like it or not, not wanting to be like Europe is a big reason why the guy who is in the WH is there. Then when something like this happens, you can ban travel to and from these places to minimize the damage which is smart, not racism.

If covid19 was an absolute death sentence then yeah, panic away. However, when a vast majority of the US death rate being middle aged or older... just like every flu... I feel that this is an overreaction that has been totally blown out of proportion.

Hanks is in quarantine at a hospital. Social distancing is only as effective as the younger population complies with it, which at the moment seems to be not too well. We know from Korea and other countries that have done extensive testing that younger people, especially those in their twenties, are likely to be asymptomatic and highly contagious.

Travel bans aren’t going to a damn thing at this point. The virus is here, we have no immunity yet and it’s spreading. This isn’t the same as “the flu”. Not only is it significantly more lethal but people who have critical cases and recover are winding up with significantly compromised pulmonary capacity. And contrary to what village idiots think they know, it is affecting a non-trivial number younger people who are otherwise healthy and have no comorbidities.

Hopefully we are able to avoid what is happening in Italy. Overwhelming the healthcare system isn’t just “not good”, it’s catastrophic and avoidable. We don’t have to choose to deny treatment during flu A outbreaks. We, unfortunately, face that as a legitimate possibility with COVID19.

Presumably there are people who care about you and whom you care for as well. Do them a favor. Stay at home and keep typing your moronic drivel here. It’s literally the least you can do.

Excellent post and I hope he takes your advice.

I am one person that thought this is overblown as far as quarantining people; staying at home with the panic that the virus has caused.
Then I actually used my brain cells and envisioned if my wife had still been here, with COPD, what would my concerns be. I did not like what I have posted, knowing I would have had to be careful not to be infected, using the present methods.
I hope everyone will be safe, including their loved one's.

(03-14-2020 01:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-14-2020 12:37 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Or course soap kills the virus.

Just like it's done to every other flu virus since the dawn of man. Your mom has been telling you to wash your hands your entire lives.

Why don't one of you stats people with a bunch of (basketball void) time on your hands compare this virus to all of the other pandemics like h1n1, sars, ebola, etc. that were going to wipe mankind from the face of the earth and see how those pandemics compare this one... which is in an election year... with one side facing an epic beatdown and in desperate need of something that they can make work for them.

I would just like to know why this one is so much worse than the others that the country's collective head explodes.

Please also work in the figures for covid19 and toilet paper need. I'd like to know that too.

See Italy and China for how its worse. The mortality rate and hospitalization rate for this one is MUCH higher. Remember---the regular flu and other emergency care needs didnt vanish. They are still out there eating into the healthcare system capacity. No nations healthcare system is built with a massive amount of excess capacity (especially in a capitalistic system where we need beds to be full most of the time in order for them to pay for themselves). Truth is, we have less hospital beds per person than Italy or China.

In a controlled environment, with proper care, the Covid-19 has a higher mortality rate of about 10X---but thats still only about 1%. So, its not like this is Ebola or even SARS. However, that 1% number is ONLY if you can keep your healthcare system from being overwhelmed. If the Healthcare system gets overwhelmed---then your mortality rate starts looking much more like China and Italy's (3 to 4%). When you apply 3 to 4% (rather than 1 %) to 100-150 million infections---thats a big number.

We are going to lose people. Thats a given at this point. The question is are we going to lose around 1% of those who get sick or will we lose 3 to 4%. We still have control over that outcome.

Fortunately, many insurance provides offer telemed service. This is a relatively new resource which could possibly alleviate some of the demand on physical medical facilities.