1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Doesn't matter. By the end of next week this will all be over. We basically shut the country down for what we down South call "Da Crud".
Everybody gets it every year. And yes it is a virus.
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
That was me. I have been trying to put "reality" into this since day 1. There is no toilet paper anywhere for God's sake. What is wrong with people?
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
The time to get the test results is like 2-3 days if CDC does it. That's not material to the delays we are seeing. And if we had just allowed private labs to do it from the beginning, that time would have been reduced substantially.
Well the grocery store shelves are empty here. There was a panic buying lots of stuff before. But in the last 3-4 days, they started buying everything.
(03-14-2020 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote: Well the grocery store shelves are empty here. There was a panic buying lots of stuff before. But in the last 3-4 days, they started buying everything.
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
That was me. I have been trying to put "reality" into this since day 1. There is no toilet paper anywhere for God's sake. What is wrong with people?
I just saw a grocery store owner who said his customers told him they are using TP as face shields, b/c they can't get any real masks.
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
That was me. I have been trying to put "reality" into this since day 1. There is no toilet paper anywhere for God's sake. What is wrong with people?
I just saw a grocery store owner who said his customers told him they are using TP as face shields, b/c they can't get any real masks.
All they are doing is making it worse.
I have yet to see anyone with a TP mask. People are just stupid.
(03-14-2020 06:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I have two points.
1) The critical mistake was the decision by CDC to develop our own test. We should have used the WHO-developed test that everybody else is using, instead of taking the time to develop our own. And we should have allowed states and other providers to develop their own in order to get more people tested faster. I'm not sure whether FDA or CDC was the roadblock there, but I would like to know who made that call. Had we gone with the WHO test, we could have everybody tested by now.
2) When panic set in, we should have done like 9/11 and called for a one or two week stand down. Have the exchanges suspend trading for a week to avoid the whipsaw up and down fueled by panic.
Oversimplification. Peeps think SoKo is testing everybody. Somebody posted yesterday that in reality, they have tested about 200K out of 51M people. The bottleneck then becomes getting the test results, not the test kit itself. Private labs will catch up before long.
Anyway, that horse is out of the barn. Shutting down travel and large events is the key. Beyond that, it's hygiene and social distancing. If you think you have it, call your doc and stay isolated.
That was me. I have been trying to put "reality" into this since day 1. There is no toilet paper anywhere for God's sake. What is wrong with people?
I just saw a grocery store owner who said his customers told him they are using TP as face shields, b/c they can't get any real masks.
All they are doing is making it worse.
I have yet to see anyone with a TP mask. People are just stupid.
Well, I thought people in El Paso would be different from other regions but I was wrong. I went to Sams because we're close to running out of TP and you should have seen the parking lot, it was very full. I went in thinking that there would be TP as opposed to other cities but I was wrong. I asked a worker there where the TP was and he said that they had run out. I laughed at that and asked him, "do you know why so many people are buying TP as opposed to other times?" He said no. I told him because every time ONE person sneezers 50 others **** their pants". My son sent me the meme to that joke and it's holding true.
Oh, and there was a couple who had about 10-15 boxes of aspirin in their cart. A worker took out a lot of them because she told them that they couldn't take so many. Talk about panic. I told my wife this story and she said maybe the guy needed aspirin for a heart condition and I told her that he had enough aspirin to last him 50 years.
Foolish people sure are afraid to die. Maybe it's because they don't know God, really know God. I know where I would rather be.
(03-14-2020 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote: Well the grocery store shelves are empty here. There was a panic buying lots of stuff before. But in the last 3-4 days, they started buying everything.
I went to Kroger yesterday and had to circle for 5 minutes to get a parking spot. The store was full, but everyone was calm and no panic as far as I could see. Some shelves were low, but except for a few items, I didn't notice any empty shelves. Today could be different, but fortunately I am good on supplies and food for the next 3-4 weeks.
It is at times like this it was good to grow up with parents who lived through the depression. My parents always had a large supply of canned goods and a freezer in the garage full of food. This was not unusual for depression era kids that had times when there was no food in the house. They made sure we always had a month's supply of food on hand.I grew up that way and have always done the same.
(03-14-2020 02:40 PM)olliebaba Wrote: Well, I thought people in El Paso would be different from other regions but I was wrong. I went to Sams because we're close to running out of TP and you should have seen the parking lot, it was very full. I went in thinking that there would be TP as opposed to other cities but I was wrong. I asked a worker there where the TP was and he said that they had run out. I laughed at that and asked him, "do you know why so many people are buying TP as opposed to other times?" He said no. I told him because every time ONE person sneezers 50 others **** their pants". My son sent me the meme to that joke and it's holding true.
Oh, and there was a couple who had about 10-15 boxes of aspirin in their cart. A worker took out a lot of them because she told them that they couldn't take so many. Talk about panic. I told my wife this story and she said maybe the guy needed aspirin for a heart condition and I told her that he had enough aspirin to last him 50 years.
Foolish people sure are afraid to die. Maybe it's because they don't know God, really know God. I know where I would rather be. ;)
AMEN
There is more to that than most realize or are willing to admit. When you KNOW Jesus and the Bible are real and you know you already have salvation through Him, you have a peace and calmness about your possible death that most people don't have or understand.
Its the unknown factor that gets to most people. A lot of people are simply totally unsure about what will happen to them when they die. Not to mention the general idea of you suddenly blinking into eternal nothingness ......that REALLY sucks. What a terrible and depressing thought to have to live with.
Those of us alive in Jesus know this is only the very beginning of our eternal lives.
(03-14-2020 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote: Well the grocery store shelves are empty here. There was a panic buying lots of stuff before. But in the last 3-4 days, they started buying everything.
I went to Kroger yesterday and had to circle for 5 minutes to get a parking spot. The store was full, but everyone was calm and no panic as far as I could see. Some shelves were low, but except for a few items, I didn't notice any empty shelves. Today could be different, but fortunately I am good on supplies and food for the next 3-4 weeks.
It is at times like this it was good to grow up with parents who lived through the depression. My parents always had a large supply of canned goods and a freezer in the garage full of food. This was not unusual for depression era kids that had times when there was no food in the house. They made sure we always had a month's supply of food on hand.I grew up that way and have always done the same.
I've been in my local walmart each night this week kinda late and the shelves are progressively emptier each night. They are cleaned out of bread, 95% of the meat, all water, milk, TP, disinfecting stuff, etc. And they are half empty on all other food supplies.
We have enough TP to get through another 4-5 days but there has been NONE available anywhere for almost 36 hours. We've been joking about separating the TP into single squares and dividing it up evenly.
(This post was last modified: 03-14-2020 03:17 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
(03-14-2020 03:10 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: I've been in my local walmart each night this week kinda late and the shelves are progressively emptier each night. They are cleaned out of bread, 95% of the meat, all water, milk, TP, disinfecting stuff, etc. And they are half empty on all other food supplies.
We have enough TP to get through another 4-5 days but there has been NONE available anywhere for almost 36 hours. We've been joking about separating the TP into single squares and dividing it up evenly.
I've got women around, so they make sure we are always well stocked with TP. WalMart doesn't have any today, but as long as they get some in by July, we should be good. Just got back from WalMart and they are madly restocking as I write this. Might check tonight when I go out to dinner to see if they have any TP, although I'm guessing the best time would be about 5 tomorrow morning. I got an 8-week supply of Airborne, so I'm pretty well set for Vitamin C, zinc, and echinacea (which the Aussies swear will cure anything).
I stilt think the most likely outcome is that this thing peters out in the next 2-4 weeks. I expect a bit of a spike as we get more testing kits out, and then I expect the hot, humid weather to take the same toll that it has taken on similar viruses in the past. I'm preparing for the worst, I am well stocked with just about everything to last a while, so I'm preparing for the worst while hoping for the best.
We just extended spring break another week, and we are going to 100% online classes for the rest of the semester, so I am going to have to rework some lesson plans. Two of my courses will be easy. They are lecture classes, and I will simply record my lectures (have some already recorded) and put the exams and daily quizzes online. The other is a seminar type course, and that's going to be a bit more difficult.
(This post was last modified: 03-14-2020 03:41 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
Some of you act like you need the government to hold your hand, wipe your butt crack and be there for you instead of using common f'ing sense. If you are going to a ball game you probably wont have any more contact or be in the space of people....
than going in some place to eat or to see a movie or at a bar.
I cant believe those of you that are so afraid and need the government to save you. Yes I wasted a couple thousand on a basketball tourney that wasn't played. Probably wouldnt have had more than 2500 fans there. Yet I was allowed to pay and go in a zoo with 3,000 or so people standing next to each other seeing the lions, apes and tigers and 70% of them were kids who hardly ever wash their hands.
I9f you want to live in fear I cant stop you but you are still just as likely to come down and recover from this than any other flu.
(03-14-2020 09:06 AM)bullet Wrote: Well the grocery store shelves are empty here. There was a panic buying lots of stuff before. But in the last 3-4 days, they started buying everything.
I went to Kroger yesterday and had to circle for 5 minutes to get a parking spot. The store was full, but everyone was calm and no panic as far as I could see. Some shelves were low, but except for a few items, I didn't notice any empty shelves. Today could be different, but fortunately I am good on supplies and food for the next 3-4 weeks.
It is at times like this it was good to grow up with parents who lived through the depression. My parents always had a large supply of canned goods and a freezer in the garage full of food. This was not unusual for depression era kids that had times when there was no food in the house. They made sure we always had a month's supply of food on hand.I grew up that way and have always done the same.
I've been in my local walmart each night this week kinda late and the shelves are progressively emptier each night. They are cleaned out of bread, 95% of the meat, all water, milk, TP, disinfecting stuff, etc. And they are half empty on all other food supplies.
We have enough TP to get through another 4-5 days but there has been NONE available anywhere for almost 36 hours. We've been joking about separating the TP into single squares and dividing it up evenly.
I had luck today finding TP and sanitizers at Staples and Office Depot. Think outside the box to track down things that the grocery store has run out of.
(03-14-2020 05:10 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote: If you really need it and can't wait for a grocery store to restock, you can buy online from various websites that you wouldn't think would sell TP.
The same stores often have it in stock in store. Think stores like Office Depot, etc
If you're in the south, just hit up a dollar general.
(03-14-2020 06:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote: Some of you act like you need the government to hold your hand, wipe your butt crack and be there for you instead of using common f'ing sense. If you are going to a ball game you probably wont have any more contact or be in the space of people....
than going in some place to eat or to see a movie or at a bar.
I cant believe those of you that are so afraid and need the government to save you. Yes I wasted a couple thousand on a basketball tourney that wasn't played. Probably wouldnt have had more than 2500 fans there. Yet I was allowed to pay and go in a zoo with 3,000 or so people standing next to each other seeing the lions, apes and tigers and 70% of them were kids who hardly ever wash their hands.
I9f you want to live in fear I cant stop you but you are still just as likely to come down and recover from this than any other flu.
this song's for you, pal.....the *5:11 mark nails it....
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like too many, some lose their way and manage to find it again.....what's unfortunate, is many never had a chance....like you, I've seen all versions and then some....
I'll never understand the fear of dying vs. living....that's the bulk of the boomer gen 'working' at its finest to find the nearest Rx when in a 'pinched nerve' b/c she's 'paid in full'...it's amazing any vote ® at this point....we know the millennials don't expect the same in return.....
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This seems to be a bit of an overreaction
