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(03-13-2020 11:17 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
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(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

By your numbers that's a 0.05% mortality rate while COVID19 is about a 2% mortality rate. That's a huge difference. If 2% of the people who got the flu died that would be about 20 million deaths. Doesn't it make sense to err on the side of caution until more is known about the virus? It's already mutated once so there are 2 strains out there now with one being worse. What happens if it mutates again to an even deadlier version? Need to flatten the curve before everyone can get on with their lives.

Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

I think the mortality rate is higher than it should be and I think most medical professionals will say that.

What concerns people is the infection rate? Even if the mortality rate is the same as the flue it appears that this virus spreads at 2x the speed. So without some sort of containment we would have had waaaaaaay more cases of Coronavirus than we would have had of the flu causing waaaaaaaay more deaths (even at flu mortality rate levels.)
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(03-13-2020 11:21 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:17 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 09:33 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

By your numbers that's a 0.05% mortality rate while COVID19 is about a 2% mortality rate. That's a huge difference. If 2% of the people who got the flu died that would be about 20 million deaths. Doesn't it make sense to err on the side of caution until more is known about the virus? It's already mutated once so there are 2 strains out there now with one being worse. What happens if it mutates again to an even deadlier version? Need to flatten the curve before everyone can get on with their lives.

Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

Nope, if you are going to use math to prove something it has to be applied to both.

350k people in the US were hospitalized and 20k died due to the flu
1800 people in the US have been hospitalized and 41 have died due to coronavirus..

If you want to use the 36mil number, then you have to apply the same math to coronavirus which would be 18mil and only 41 deaths.

I was using the numbers bluebacker threw out there of 1 billion people worldwide and 500k deaths, and applied the mortality rate of COVID19. Where did you get 18 million COVID19 cases?

1 billion x 3.68% = 36.8 million
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(03-13-2020 11:22 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:17 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 09:33 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

By your numbers that's a 0.05% mortality rate while COVID19 is about a 2% mortality rate. That's a huge difference. If 2% of the people who got the flu died that would be about 20 million deaths. Doesn't it make sense to err on the side of caution until more is known about the virus? It's already mutated once so there are 2 strains out there now with one being worse. What happens if it mutates again to an even deadlier version? Need to flatten the curve before everyone can get on with their lives.

Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

I think the mortality rate is higher than it should be and I think most medical professionals will say that.

What concerns people is the infection rate? Even if the mortality rate is the same as the flue it appears that this virus spreads at 2x the speed. So without some sort of containment we would have had waaaaaaay more cases of Coronavirus than we would have had of the flu causing waaaaaaaay more deaths (even at flu mortality rate levels.)

Agreed. And the mortality rate will come down as more cases are identified but it is what it is right now. But that's not going to happen until the government can provide adequate testing. But Trump likes the numbers where they are, very good numbers, the best numbers out there.
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No one has any idea what the real numbers are yet, therefore they make up numbers to fit their own agendas....
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Do you know that China literally put the entire city of Wuhan(11 million people) in isolation to prevent it from spreading to the rest of the country? Roads blockaded, rail lines shut down, domestic flight canceled.

All of this due to the practice of some in the region eating exotic animals and the widespread exotic meat market in the community. Most would wonder would anyone eat rats or wolf pups or bats in the first place. Not understanding that many came to the city from rural communities ravished by poverty where they eat whatever they could catch.
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(03-13-2020 09:33 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

By your numbers that's a 0.05% mortality rate while COVID19 is about a 2% mortality rate. That's a huge difference. If 2% of the people who got the flu died that would be about 20 million deaths. Doesn't it make sense to err on the side of caution until more is known about the virus? It's already mutated once so there are 2 strains out there now with one being worse. What happens if it mutates again to an even deadlier version? Need to flatten the curve before everyone can get on with their lives.

I saw a news report from a CDC rep that it is estimated to be closer to 1% and the more widespread a flu virus becomes the weaker it becomes as it mutates.
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(03-13-2020 11:31 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  No one has any idea what the real numbers are yet, therefore they make up numbers to fit their own agendas....

My number comes from the updates from the WHO. Feel free to refer to the chart in this article, which is updated several times during the day.

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/03/11/...und-world/
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(03-13-2020 09:47 AM)kabluey Wrote:  
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(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

Regular flu hasn’t overwhelmed health systems as it has in China and Italy. While I don’t buy into all the hysteria, we have to at least realize that this virus has had a far reaching impact. I hope the attempts being made to mitigate the spread here will help curb the spread and we can get back to our regular routines within the next month.

I think we could save several hundred thousand lives each year if we shut down everything during seasonal flu season. It's a communicable disease and it's killing roughly 500,000 people each year. Why don't we?

Because of vaccines.

Oh really, and WITH the vaccine there are ONE BILLION cases of flu every year with 350,000 to 600,000 deaths - Every Year.

ALL new strains of flu are more deadly and contagious AT FIRST and then they aren't.

There is no cure for the common cold nor for the flu - You can treat the symptoms and let your immune system do it's thing and then you are generally ok for a couple of years. THEN the ******* cold & flu mutates and you have to go through the cycle again.

When you get old your body and immune system will generally start to break down and then this **** will turn into pneumonia and your death chance will jump to 10-15%.

This is not new.
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(03-13-2020 11:26 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:22 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:17 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 09:33 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  By your numbers that's a 0.05% mortality rate while COVID19 is about a 2% mortality rate. That's a huge difference. If 2% of the people who got the flu died that would be about 20 million deaths. Doesn't it make sense to err on the side of caution until more is known about the virus? It's already mutated once so there are 2 strains out there now with one being worse. What happens if it mutates again to an even deadlier version? Need to flatten the curve before everyone can get on with their lives.

Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

I think the mortality rate is higher than it should be and I think most medical professionals will say that.

What concerns people is the infection rate? Even if the mortality rate is the same as the flue it appears that this virus spreads at 2x the speed. So without some sort of containment we would have had waaaaaaay more cases of Coronavirus than we would have had of the flu causing waaaaaaaay more deaths (even at flu mortality rate levels.)

Agreed. And the mortality rate will come down as more cases are identified but it is what it is right now. But that's not going to happen until the government can provide adequate testing. But Trump likes the numbers where they are, very good numbers, the best numbers out there.

So you are attempting to make this about Trump? Look at the numbers compared to other countries. Seems we are kicking coronavirus butt so Trump must be doing a great job.
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Fun fact - Spanish Flu got it's name because Spain reported actual deaths resulting from the illness while other countries (US, Germany, France) under-reported as part of a cover-up. Many people thought the disease disproportionately impacted Spain.
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(03-13-2020 12:51 PM)Memphis10Tigers Wrote:  Fun fact - Spanish Flu got it's name because Spain reported actual deaths resulting from the illness while other countries (US, Germany, France) under-reported as part of a cover-up. Many people thought the disease disproportionately impacted Spain.

The coverup was partially because the world was at war, and no country wanted to look weak.

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They know that being overweight, having hypertension, and being over 60 increases your chances of getting sick and or dying with covid-19. I wonder how being overweight, having hypertension, and being over 60 squares with a description of the average Memphis fan?
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(03-13-2020 09:55 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The obvious ways this is not like the flu.

Unlike the flu there's no resistance to this in the population. people in the population have been exposed to different strains of flu throughout their lives. This is a new virus our immune system has never seen before.

There's no vaccine. This and the fact there was no resistance in the population means there are no natural stops to the spread of covid-19.

We don't know how long this goes on. There's a "flu season" but is there a "covid-19 season?" Note that the MERS Coronavirus may have originated from Camels in the Saudi Arabian Desert where temperatures routinely go above 110. So this may not end with warm weather.
To the above it should be added that because there is no built-in resistance or vaccine there's a chance that the medical system and medical equipment might be overwhelmed. As such, need to take all the protective measures we can 2 slow down the rate of transmission, so that a spike in the number of cases don't occur within a short period of time.
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(03-13-2020 11:19 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:09 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 10:45 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 09:41 AM)kabluey Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 08:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  There are roughly 1 billion cases worldwide every year and on the average about 500,000 people die from it.

The range of deaths each year from seasonal flu is 300,000 to 650,000.

Every year.

And there's a vaccine for the "regular"/traditional annual flu.

Yeah, and even with vaccines 20k Americans died this past 4 months to the flu. So far we have had 41 deaths due to the coronavirus.

That makes the flu way, way, way worse.


41 deaths and idiots are running around with hazmat suits on.


Now, I understand there is something crazy happening in Italy, good thing we aren't Italians. They somehow screwed up bad. They have a total of 15k cases.. How did their healthcare system get overrun with 15k cases? We had 20k people die (350k hospitalized) from the flu in 4 months and somehow 15k people getting sick overrruns their healthcare system?

Our response has apparently been one of the best in the world.

Your talking out of both sides of your mouth.

You say the Flu is waaay worse.

Using your logic we should have treated this outbreak the same as we treat the flu since it affects would not be as bad.

But then you acknowledge Italy is in bad shape and say we did a great job preventing an outbreak here.

Which one is it...The flu is worse and we shouldn't have done anything or this is serious and we did a good job preventing it.
Uh, it doesnt have to be one or the other..


The flu could be worse and we could respond well to corona also.

If the flu is worse and there is no need to do anything..Why is there a need to do anything for Coronavirus?

See the logic.
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(03-13-2020 12:46 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:26 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:22 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(03-13-2020 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

I think the mortality rate is higher than it should be and I think most medical professionals will say that.

What concerns people is the infection rate? Even if the mortality rate is the same as the flue it appears that this virus spreads at 2x the speed. So without some sort of containment we would have had waaaaaaay more cases of Coronavirus than we would have had of the flu causing waaaaaaaay more deaths (even at flu mortality rate levels.)

Agreed. And the mortality rate will come down as more cases are identified but it is what it is right now. But that's not going to happen until the government can provide adequate testing. But Trump likes the numbers where they are, very good numbers, the best numbers out there.

So you are attempting to make this about Trump? Look at the numbers compared to other countries. Seems we are kicking coronavirus butt so Trump must be doing a great job.

You are absolutely right...We are in much better shape than other countries...

But that has more to do with these huge oceans between us and were the outbreak started.
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(03-13-2020 12:46 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:26 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:22 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:17 AM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 11:12 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Mortality rates as of this morning.

Worldwide 3.68%
Mainland China 3.93%
US 2.2%
Italy 6.7%
Iran 4.5%
Iraq 9.6%
Germany 0.2%
France 2.1%
UK 1.7%
Spain 2.3%


The US has had 1,832 cases an increase of 116 in the past 24 hours, 31 recoveries an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours and 41 deaths an increase of 1 in the past 24 hours. The latest death was a man in Kansas.

I used the US mortality rate. So at the worldwide rate, the flu would kill almost 37 million people if it had the same mortality rate. People are stuck on the total deaths as the comparison to the flu and that's simply the wrong way to compare the two.

I think the mortality rate is higher than it should be and I think most medical professionals will say that.

What concerns people is the infection rate? Even if the mortality rate is the same as the flue it appears that this virus spreads at 2x the speed. So without some sort of containment we would have had waaaaaaay more cases of Coronavirus than we would have had of the flu causing waaaaaaaay more deaths (even at flu mortality rate levels.)

Agreed. And the mortality rate will come down as more cases are identified but it is what it is right now. But that's not going to happen until the government can provide adequate testing. But Trump likes the numbers where they are, very good numbers, the best numbers out there.

So you are attempting to make this about Trump? Look at the numbers compared to other countries. Seems we are kicking coronavirus butt so Trump must be doing a great job.

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(03-13-2020 02:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  C'mon guys its Friday. Who gives a damn which idiot you support.

The fact is there is one man in the White House and all **** rolls up to him. Like all presidents before him he will and should bear the brunt of the blame when it comes to how the government responds to anything. Obama was blamed for everything, and Trump should be too. I don't care who is in the WH or which party they are with. It is that person's responsibility to gather the best people and experts to handle any crisis. If he doesn't do that then it's on him. Period. To not hold your elected officials accountable is just foolish.
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(03-13-2020 02:13 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 02:09 PM)fsquid Wrote:  C'mon guys its Friday. Who gives a damn which idiot you support.

The fact is there is one man in the White House and all **** rolls up to him. Like all presidents before him he will and should bear the brunt of the blame when it comes to how the government responds to anything. Obama was blamed for everything, and Trump should be too. I don't care who is in the WH or which party they are with. It is that person's responsibility to gather the best people and experts to handle any crisis. If he doesn't do that then it's on him. Period. To not hold your elected officials accountable is just foolish.
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