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RE: Should seniors get a special extra year of eligibility
(03-13-2020 10:04 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Athletes for Spring Sports should absolutely get another year of eligibility.

Winter sport athletes’ seasons were nearly over so I don’t see giving them an extra year as necessary

Well, we have other sports that are not NCAA, but still varsity teams.

Women's wrestling
beach volleyball
skiing
bowling
boxing
cycling
fencing
sprint football or lightweight football
rodeo

All these college sports are interrupted as well.
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The NCAA’s Council Coordination Committee has agreed to grant relief for the use of a season of competition for student-athletes who have participated in spring sports.

Committee will also discuss issues for winter sport student-athletes.

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Players in spring sports get another year of eligibility.

NCAA looking into what to do with those who played winter sports.
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(03-13-2020 09:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 09:29 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  There should be a waiver of scholarship limits for one year and 2019-20 should not run the clock on student-athletes in ...

Every other sport either completed the season and post-season or completed the regular season and shouldn't get a waiver.

I largely agree with this, except for the bolded part. If you were denied post-season play, then IMO you deserve more eligibility. Don't see why we would want to exclude those athletes from such a plan.

I agree.

I get that basketball season was mostly finished, but what about individual sports as well? So a senior wrestler doesn't get a chance to compete for a conference or national title?
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(03-13-2020 11:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 10:04 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Athletes for Spring Sports should absolutely get another year of eligibility.

Winter sport athletes’ seasons were nearly over so I don’t see giving them an extra year as necessary

Well, we have other sports that are not NCAA, but still varsity teams.

Women's wrestling
beach volleyball
skiing
bowling
boxing
cycling
fencing
sprint football or lightweight football
rodeo

All these college sports are interrupted as well.

Skiing, Bowling, and Fencing are NCAA winter sports and Beach Volleyball is a NCAA spring sport. Women's Wrestling will be a NCAA emerging sport starting in 2020-21. The NCAA does not care what happens to boxing, cycling, rodeo, and sprint football because they have no jurisdiction over the governance of those sports.
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(03-13-2020 09:29 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  There should be a waiver of scholarship limits for one year and 2019-20 should not run the clock on student-athletes in
Men's baseball
Women's softball
Men's and women's golf
Men's and women's lacrosse teams
Women's rowing
Men's and women's tennis
Men's and women's outdoor track and field
Men's volleyball and women's beach volleyball
Women's water polo

Every other sport either completed the season and post-season or completed the regular season and shouldn't get a waiver. So if Joe Smith is a senior in track who would have completed eligibility this year, Joe is done in indoor track but has a year of outdoor

Agreed. These sports are having the largest part of their season taken away from them, and they were assured they would have the opportunity to play for this season.

In the winter sports the majority of them are only losing the postseason. No student-athlete is assured of participatiuon in the post-season.
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(03-13-2020 11:55 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 10:04 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Athletes for Spring Sports should absolutely get another year of eligibility.

Winter sport athletes’ seasons were nearly over so I don’t see giving them an extra year as necessary

Well, we have other sports that are not NCAA, but still varsity teams.

Women's wrestling
beach volleyball
skiing
bowling
boxing
cycling
fencing
sprint football or lightweight football
rodeo

All these college sports are interrupted as well.

That would be for the governing body of each sport to decide. This discussion is about NCAA sponsored sports.
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All players should get an extra year of eligibility, provided they meet the following criteria:

1. they're superb athletes with a proven track record of excellence, and
2. they attend the University of Cincinnati

All others should be penalized a year or two of eligibility for failing to meet the above criteria.
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Of course giving all the scholarship athletes another year of eligibility just means someone else doesn't get a scholllie...
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https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-tournament...48893.html

The push for an extra year of eligibility
Meanwhile, across America, as the unprecedented news reverberated, gears began to spin. Coaches and athletic directors worked phones. They asked their athletes, across 18 winter sports and 14 spring ones: If the NCAA were to grant outgoing seniors an additional year of eligibility, would you be interested?

On social media, athletes themselves pleaded for another shot. Former pros and Olympic medalists joined the chorus. In interviews, coaches chimed in. Three nights earlier, East Tennessee State’s 30-4 men’s basketball team had qualified for the NCAA tournament. With it now shuttered, head coach Steve Forbes said, “I will make it my mission to fight for another year of eligibility for our five seniors.”

Athletic directors seemed to be on board too. “To our spring sport seniors: In time, we will fight to reinstate your final year of eligibility,” UMass AD Ryan Bamford tweeted.

As the calls crescendoed, Wahrman pulled up Change.org and got to work. She created a petition, then shared it with teammates and friends. It quickly spread to friends of friends and beyond. Across Iowa’s campus, and then across others. It ticked past 1,000 digital signatures, then 5,000, then 10,000. Around 18 hours after its creation, it was at 90,000 and rapidly climbing.

It had begun to feel like a movement. And that evening on ESPN, UConn women’s basketball coach Geno Auriemma had given it a prominent voice.
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(03-13-2020 01:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-tournament...48893.html

The push for an extra year of eligibility
Meanwhile, across America, as the unprecedented news reverberated, gears began to spin. Coaches and athletic directors worked phones. They asked their athletes, across 18 winter sports and 14 spring ones: If the NCAA were to grant outgoing seniors an additional year of eligibility, would you be interested?

On social media, athletes themselves pleaded for another shot. Former pros and Olympic medalists joined the chorus. In interviews, coaches chimed in. Three nights earlier, East Tennessee State’s 30-4 men’s basketball team had qualified for the NCAA tournament. With it now shuttered, head coach Steve Forbes said, “I will make it my mission to fight for another year of eligibility for our five seniors.”

Athletic directors seemed to be on board too. “To our spring sport seniors: In time, we will fight to reinstate your final year of eligibility,” UMass AD Ryan Bamford tweeted.

As the calls crescendoed, Wahrman pulled up Change.org and got to work. She created a petition, then shared it with teammates and friends. It quickly spread to friends of friends and beyond. Across Iowa’s campus, and then across others. It ticked past 1,000 digital signatures, then 5,000, then 10,000. Around 18 hours after its creation, it was at 90,000 and rapidly climbing.

It had begun to feel like a movement. And that evening on ESPN, UConn women’s basketball coach Geno Auriemma had given it a prominent voice.

Bad idea for winter sports, and only slightly better for spring sports.

That ETSU basketball coach wants his five seniors -- who already had 34 games this season and probably about 100 their previous three years -- to have another year of eligibility. Is the coach going to yank the scholarships of five incoming freshman so that he can keep the 5th-year seniors? Or is he going to tell the 5th-year seniors that they can only return as walk-ons? Either way, if those players do return, then every minute of playing time they get is a minute taken away from the other players on the team who were anticipating that next year was their time to begin playing major roles on the team.

Can't give those 5th-year seniors additional opportunities without taking opportunities away from younger players on the team and incoming freshmen who might now be wondering if their scholarships will be taken away.
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(03-13-2020 01:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Of course giving all the scholarship athletes another year of eligibility just means someone else doesn't get a scholllie...

One year where the schools can give out more scholarships. Certainly most of the P5's can afford it, not sure if ETSU and other mid majors can though.
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(03-12-2020 09:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  Not for sports that simply had their playoffs interrupted. Now baseball and track might be something different.

Basically agree, Spring Sports yes. Winter sports that had their play-offs cancelled basically no. However appeal for players, who already had missed playing time missed due to injuries could be more relaxed and granted.
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(03-13-2020 10:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My compromise would be to simply apply the same rules as you would for a redshirt. If you played enough games in a sport this year (such as those that played a close-to-full basketball season) that you couldn't redshirt for this season any longer, then you shouldn't get another year of eligibility (e.g. whether the NCAA Tournament was played or not would have been irrelevant with respect to your eligibility to play next year). I think that's going to be pretty easy for basketball. The grey area will be for spring sports that have already started (such as baseball) but are much earlier in their seasons.

To me, that's a logical way to handle this. If an athlete already played enough games that he/she would have used a year of eligibility regardless of whether the rest of the season was canceled, then it's inequitable to provide another year of eligibility to that athlete. In contrast, any athlete that didn't meet that standard should get the equivalent of a medical redshirt year (as that is what has effectively occurred here).

In MBB, what would the % of athletes that were not able to prove themselves in a playoff. I know that it is small, but the athlete should not be penalized for the situation that is happening now. Baseball, the same thing. These kids have played with these schools with the hopes of getting a pro contract, and to leave the decision, alone, to a virus causing them to prematurely ending their chance of getting that deal, should not be allowed. I would rather change to a temporary change in recruiting numbers, instead.
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Maybe seniors could be granted 8 extra games as long as it’s prayed in 2020. It does not seem right to screw with the incoming class.
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Source tells @TheAthleticCFB that the NCAA Division I Council has approved blanket waiver for all spring-sport athletes to get an extra year of eligibility. Schools will be able to offer less (or zero) aid or match what they provided this year. Up to each school for each athlete.
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(03-30-2020 05:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  @NicoleAuerbach
Source tells @TheAthleticCFB that the NCAA Division I Council has approved blanket waiver for all spring-sport athletes to get an extra year of eligibility. Schools will be able to offer less (or zero) aid or match what they provided this year. Up to each school for each athlete.

NCAA release
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...d-covid-19

Quote:The Division I Council on Monday voted to allow schools to provide spring-sport student-athletes an additional season of competition and an extension of their period of eligibility.

Members also adjusted financial aid rules to allow teams to carry more members on scholarship to account for incoming recruits and student-athletes who had been in their last year of eligibility who decide to stay. In a nod to the financial uncertainty faced by higher education, the Council vote also provided schools with the flexibility to give students the opportunity to return for 2020-21 without requiring that athletics aid be provided at the same level awarded for 2019-20. This flexibility applies only to student-athletes who would have exhausted eligibility in 2019-20.

Schools also will have the ability to use the NCAA’s Student Assistance Fund to pay for scholarships for students who take advantage of the additional eligibility flexibility in 2020-21.

Division I rules limit student-athletes to four seasons of competition in a five-year period. The Council’s decision allows schools to self-apply waivers to restore one of those seasons of competition for student-athletes who had competed while eligible in the COVID-19-shortened 2020 spring season

The Council also will allow schools to self-apply a one-year extension of eligibility for spring-sport student-athletes, effectively extending each student’s five-year “clock” by a year. This decision was especially important for student-athletes who had reached the end of their five-year clock in 2020 and saw their seasons end abruptly.

“The Council’s decision gives individual schools the flexibility to make decisions at a campus level,” said Council chair M. Grace Calhoun, athletics director at Penn. “The Board of Governors encouraged conferences and schools to take action in the best interest of student-athletes and their communities, and now schools have the opportunity to do that.”

Winter sports were not included in the decision. Council members declined to extend eligibility for student-athletes in sports where all or much of their regular seasons were completed.

The Council also increased the roster limit in baseball for student-athletes impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, the only spring sport with such a limit.
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Good decision by the NCAA. The athletes should not automatically lose that year of eligibility, but then again, schools shouldn't be obligated to provide scholarship money either, as that is never guaranteed to begin with.

Of course, athletes at wealthier (P5) schools are more likely to benefit that athletes at cash-strapped schools (G5 and below) as the latter schools will have less money to distribute.
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(03-30-2020 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Of course, athletes at wealthier (P5) schools are more likely to benefit that athletes at cash-strapped schools (G5 and below)

In the coming academic year, there will be many athletic departments at all levels that are cash strapped.

At least the NCAA's decision is limited in that all spring sports are equivalency (partial scholarship) sports and every school permitting 2019-20 seniors to return can do so without any cash outlay, if they choose -- i.e. by giving only partial tuition scholarships and/or telling 5th year seniors to walk on, thus avoiding any monetary payments for room and board.
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I got it figured out for basketball.

. Last year's Seniors will be all be elligible for pre-season conference tournaments. Then there will be a pre-season 68-team national tournament seeded the same way as the NCAA tourney. The winner of the tourney will be crowned 2020 national tourney champs.
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After the pre-season tourneys are done, last year's seniors will be out of elligibility.

Then you start the new season.
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