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What I don't understand is why all these large corporate retail outlets were deemed essential and largely unaffected. Grocery stores and home improvement... sure, but the others? I also understand the initial shutting down of schools... we didn't know anything about the virus other than the Chinese data that they supplied. But now we know the threat is minimal to them. I hear arguments about the teachers and staff still being at risk, but how is that different than for the employees at Walmart, Lowe's, Food Lion or the first responders? Can we not agree that education is essential? Give the teachers and school employees a bonus... I can get onboard with that... but for God's sake, open the schools!

(06-29-2020 08:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:32 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  It seems to me that here are two things that I think the great majority of us should now agree with:

1) If you are symptomatic and must leave your home, wear a mask. I don’t care if it violates your “freedoms.” Be a decent person and wear the mask.

2) There is no science to indicate kids are involved in the spreading of this virus. Get them back in schools.

Any scientific objections to either of these?

If you are symptomatic you shouldn't leave the house, period.

We've already gone round and round with kids and schools. People are focusing solely on the kids and not considering the staff.

What about the staff at Walmart? Do you consider education essential?

I’m married to a private school teacher. Last week, we had dinner on our pool deck with a Chesapeake Public School teacher, a Norfolk Public School principal, and a Virginia Beach Public School school psychologist. Every one of them said, if the science is there to show the kids are not at a significant risk, the schools need to be open. The staff can protect themselves, but we can’t continue to allow our students to fall behind in their education, if they aren’t at a real health risk.

(06-29-2020 08:27 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  What I don't understand is why all these large corporate retail outlets were deemed essential and largely unaffected. Grocery stores and home improvement... sure, but the others? I also understand the initial shutting down of schools... we didn't know anything about the virus other than the Chinese data that they supplied. But now we know the threat is minimal to them. I hear arguments about the teachers and staff still being at risk, but how is that different than for the employees at Walmart, Lowe's, Food Lion or the first responders? Can we not agree that education is essential? Give the teachers and school employees a bonus... I can get onboard with that... but for God's sake, open the schools!

Last week you wanted to force the teachers to go back to school or not pay them. This week they need bonuses!

(06-29-2020 08:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:32 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  It seems to me that here are two things that I think the great majority of us should now agree with:

1) If you are symptomatic and must leave your home, wear a mask. I don’t care if it violates your “freedoms.” Be a decent person and wear the mask.

2) There is no science to indicate kids are involved in the spreading of this virus. Get them back in schools.

Any scientific objections to either of these?

If you are symptomatic you shouldn't leave the house, period.

We've already gone round and round with kids and schools. People are focusing solely on the kids and not considering the staff.

What about the staff at Walmart? Do you consider education essential?

What about the staff at Walmart?

Yes, I considered education important.

(06-29-2020 08:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Last week you wanted to force the teachers to go back to school or not pay them. This week they need bonuses!

I'm not saying I agree with either, but both could be true. They are not contradictory.

(06-26-2020 01:32 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:38 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(06-26-2020 09:27 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Why not all of the above. One helps the other. Death rates falling could be a result of younger people being infected at a higher rate than old, coupled with improved treatment protocals.

What about the costs on the other side? I'm not trying to debate, but for every measure the government takes, there is a cost on the other side (economic, personal liberty, etc.) How does the proper balance get determined?

I know I'm kinda asking questions that are philosophical and don't have easy answers, but mostly, I'm just trying to get the VCU picture off my page.

Million $$ question. Used to be if no one was happy, you did it right. This speaks to our expectations as a country. Your proper balance may not be mine. We used to be far less strident and more willing to compromise. Not so much anymore. There is no middle ground anymore. It is either perfect (rarely) or a disaster (more often than not).

My belief is that this is mostly due to the facts that:
1. Our legislatures, state and national, refuse to do anything. Staying out of the spotlight on sensitive issues seems to be their overarching goal.

2. Our elected representatives refuse to work together for fear of irritating their base.

It is hard to get compromise when there is basically no debate, no working across the aisle, and compromise is seen as acquiescence. Somehow we have get to get our legislators to stop giving away their power to the Executive and Judicial if we are going to make progress on ANYTHING.

(06-29-2020 08:45 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:27 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  What I don't understand is why all these large corporate retail outlets were deemed essential and largely unaffected. Grocery stores and home improvement... sure, but the others? I also understand the initial shutting down of schools... we didn't know anything about the virus other than the Chinese data that they supplied. But now we know the threat is minimal to them. I hear arguments about the teachers and staff still being at risk, but how is that different than for the employees at Walmart, Lowe's, Food Lion or the first responders? Can we not agree that education is essential? Give the teachers and school employees a bonus... I can get onboard with that... but for God's sake, open the schools!

Last week you wanted to force the teachers to go back to school or not pay them. This week they need bonuses!

If they are not working, they shouldn't be paid. If it takes a bonus to get them to work, I'm open to that. Not a difficult concept.

(06-29-2020 08:47 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 08:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(06-29-2020 07:32 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  It seems to me that here are two things that I think the great majority of us should now agree with:

1) If you are symptomatic and must leave your home, wear a mask. I don’t care if it violates your “freedoms.” Be a decent person and wear the mask.

2) There is no science to indicate kids are involved in the spreading of this virus. Get them back in schools.

Any scientific objections to either of these?

If you are symptomatic you shouldn't leave the house, period.

We've already gone round and round with kids and schools. People are focusing solely on the kids and not considering the staff.

What about the staff at Walmart? Do you consider education essential?

What about the staff at Walmart?

Yes, I considered education important.

So important, but not essential (unlike Walmart)?

" The AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school"


https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-n...n-schools/


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Here’s more research showing we need to open the schools, courtesy of a study from The Netherlands.

Quote: After double-checking with all 25 municipal public health services (GGDs), it has become apparent that there were no reports of possible COVID-19 clusters that had a link to schools or childcare facilities (or temporary childcare) before the schools closed on 16 March. After reopening the primary schools and childcare facilities, a few reports have come in regarding infections among employees at schools; RIVM has not received any reports of employees who were infected by children (based on data as of early June 2020).

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus...d-covid-19

Virginia is in a great position now as a result of Governor Northam’s swift and unpopular decisions. Other states that took a more liberal approach are not fairing so well. Well done Northam, well done!

Generally agree, but as we enter Phase Three today there have been small upticks in the past week here (SEVA) and in SWVA that we should keep an eye on. Nature abhors a vacuum, and we're surrounded by states not doing so hot.

PS Congrats on 2500 posts!

What about Georgia? They opened before VA and continue to show downward trends.

(07-02-2020 06:12 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  What about Georgia? They opened before VA and continue to show downward trends.

Georgia is in the midst of a surge in Covid cases, and not showing a downward trend.

As for college kids, if this is true, then oh lordy...

Quote:Alabama students held 'COVID-19 parties' to see who got infected

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/healt...JSgiiffz4Y

(07-02-2020 07:55 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 06:12 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  What about Georgia? They opened before VA and continue to show downward trends.

Georgia is in the midst of a surge in Covid cases, and not showing a downward trend.

As for college kids, if this is true, then oh lordy...

Quote:Alabama students held 'COVID-19 parties' to see who got infected

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/healt...JSgiiffz4Y

It is Alabama...they have two brain cells in the whole state...UGH

(07-02-2020 06:12 AM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  What about Georgia? They opened before VA and continue to show downward trends.

Doesn't seem to be. They hit a low a week or two after reopening but have shown a steady incline in cases per day since.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

The most disturbing trend in Georgia is this

Quote:Georgia coronavirus cases spike among young adults as virus surges

https://www.ajc.com/news/local-govt--pol...HLL5Rvb9N/

If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.

(07-02-2020 08:44 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  If you look at deaths Georgia is on a clear downward trend since early May.

I hope so. However, we won't see the deaths (if any) associated with this spike for a number of weeks or even months.