(04-04-2021 01:39 PM)3xTribe Wrote:  Public and private K-12 schools in Virginia require a variety of vaccinations, though religious exemptions can be granted. None of this has been particularly fraught until the covid vax.

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/immunization/requirements/

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My general understanding though is that this is after extended, exhaustive testing, research, and bring “in the wild”. What’s different here to me is that all of that moved so fast.

Don’t get me wrong,I support the vaccine and I am at 1 of 2 for a Pfizer, I just think things will be interesting from a legal challenge perspective


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(04-04-2021 01:01 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 12:03 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 11:57 AM)wml33t Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 11:46 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Cornell will require students to be vaccinated for in-person school
https://gothamist.com/news/cornell-unive...ROZvUauCgo

I’m very curious to see how things like this play out.


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Lawsuits will fly. Private institution, so I suppose it's their right to deny access to campus.

I can easily see Rowe mandating the same.

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Don't most K-12 schools require vaccinations? I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not convinced lawsuits would go anywhere.

Wife & I are a month removed from shot 2. I didn't skip a beat but shot 2 left my wife in bed for a day. None of my kids have been vaccinated and all attend public school through hybrid instruction.

I can't understand why someone would refuse a vaccine. But, y'all know darn well people look for reasons to sue and many attorneys are all too happy to assist. Where it gets sticky involves ADA, religious exemptions under Title VII, and various other reasonable accommodations.

Update: current state-by-state protections. As I figured, ADA and religious exemptions are carefully weighed.

https://www.huschblackwell.com/newsandin...ccinations

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Precedent for public schools requiring vaccinations exists (MMR, Tdap etc), but crux of refusal argument for the moment may be simply that we are still under emergency-use authorization and not yet the formal FDA approval.

I think there are limits as to what can be required as long as the vaccines are only under EUA... but the first vaccines have been out for ~6 months now, so I would think full approval might be coming soon? I have no idea how long it takes...

Couple days old now
Operation vaccination: All interested members of the W&M community offered vaccination opportunities

https://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2021/ope...CVWpxrDBSc

WM requiring vaccination

https://www.dailypress.com/virginiagazet...~art%20yes

(05-20-2021 01:29 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  WM requiring vaccination

https://www.dailypress.com/virginiagazet...~art%20yes

I think a lot of colleges are doing this. It also doesn't seem like a true requirement, more of a strong recommendation.

"Anyone who does not provide proof of full vaccination will be required to be tested prior to arrival and will need to continue to be tested at least once a week upon returning to campus, according to a release issued by the college."

There is zero reason for any 17 yo to not be fully vaccinated by July

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(05-20-2021 05:58 PM)Tribal Wrote:  There is zero reason for any 17 yo to not be fully vaccinated by July

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There is close to zero reason for anybody above 12 years old to not be vaccinated by July.

There’s reasons alright! Just zero GOOD reasons. :)

(05-20-2021 09:30 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-20-2021 05:58 PM)Tribal Wrote:  There is zero reason for any 17 yo to not be fully vaccinated by July

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There is close to zero reason for anybody above 12 years old to not be vaccinated by July.

I meant college age, save the 12 yo prodigy. Full vaccination to enter a classroom seems like an appropriate mandate.

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Moderna's Chief Science officer for mRNA research is a Tribe Alum!

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-rel...ic-officer

(05-20-2021 01:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-20-2021 01:29 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  WM requiring vaccination

https://www.dailypress.com/virginiagazet...~art%20yes

I think a lot of colleges are doing this. It also doesn't seem like a true requirement, more of a strong recommendation.

"Anyone who does not provide proof of full vaccination will be required to be tested prior to arrival and will need to continue to be tested at least once a week upon returning to campus, according to a release issued by the college."

I have ZERO problems with strongly suggesting and testing protocols. I'm strongly opposed to requiring vaccinations.

Still don't think it is unnecessary if tested positive for natural antibodies and negative for infection. My understanding is that those test are good for 90 days.

I think that this should be an alternative as the strongest reactions to the vaccination seem to be among those previously infected.

At some point all antibodies, whether naturally occurring or from vaccinations will need to be renewed, hopefully via vaccination. I am still uncertain as to how long the antibodies from my shot will stick around.

I've been fully vaccinated for a few months and scheduled for my booster in October.

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(06-28-2021 05:29 PM)Tribal Wrote:  I've been fully vaccinated for a few months and scheduled for my booster in October.

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Interesting! You’re the first I’ve heard of someone having a confirmed schedule for any covid vaccine booster. I also sometimes don’t pay attention, so there’s that.

Current thinking is that vaccine immunity is long-lasting and booster wont be needed for at least a year, maybe never.

That being said, a booster may not be a simple booster. Pfizer/Moderna are developing additional mRNA code to provide more direct antibody protection for variants. These "boosters" would likely be administering a mixture of a few different mRNA strands that were not part of the original.

Conversations around this at every school.

My question is simple. Who is at risk of those who are not vaccinated, except others who choose not to get the vaccine? At this point, we all know the risks and everyone who wants the vaccine can get it. Futhermore, the evidence is overwhelming that college aged and k-12 students rarely suffer any real consequences if they get Covid19.

I see no reason for the government or any entity to require anything at this point.

(06-30-2021 08:02 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Conversations around this at every school.

My question is simple. Who is at risk of those who are not vaccinated, except others who choose not to get the vaccine? At this point, we all know the risks and everyone who wants the vaccine can get it. Futhermore, the evidence is overwhelming that college aged and k-12 students rarely suffer any real consequences if they get Covid19.

I see no reason for the government or any entity to require anything at this point.

There are people who cannot get the vaccine due to preexisting health conditions or other medical reasons. They're the ones the government requirements are intended to protect.

(06-30-2021 08:44 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:02 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Conversations around this at every school.

My question is simple. Who is at risk of those who are not vaccinated, except others who choose not to get the vaccine? At this point, we all know the risks and everyone who wants the vaccine can get it. Futhermore, the evidence is overwhelming that college aged and k-12 students rarely suffer any real consequences if they get Covid19.

I see no reason for the government or any entity to require anything at this point.

There are people who cannot get the vaccine due to preexisting health conditions or other medical reasons. They're the ones the government requirements are intended to protect.

If their health is such that they can't get a vaccine for this specific virus, they are at risk for a whole lot worse. We cannot demand that an entire population be vaccinated to protect the few who cannot take a vaccine. That's a slippery slope nobody wants.

(06-30-2021 03:41 PM)82hawk Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:44 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(06-30-2021 08:02 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Conversations around this at every school.

My question is simple. Who is at risk of those who are not vaccinated, except others who choose not to get the vaccine? At this point, we all know the risks and everyone who wants the vaccine can get it. Futhermore, the evidence is overwhelming that college aged and k-12 students rarely suffer any real consequences if they get Covid19.

I see no reason for the government or any entity to require anything at this point.

There are people who cannot get the vaccine due to preexisting health conditions or other medical reasons. They're the ones the government requirements are intended to protect.

If their health is such that they can't get a vaccine for this specific virus, they are at risk for a whole lot worse. We cannot demand that an entire population be vaccinated to protect the few who cannot take a vaccine. That's a slippery slope nobody wants.

This controversy is purely political. It is not a slippery slope. Vaccines have always been for the greater good and not simply to protect the individual. Its something that we all grew up accepting, because, you know...science. Thankfully, we no longer die of numerous diseases...even if you have a decent survival rate without the vaccine. What you may not realize, is that vaccines and herd immunity have always been part of the plan to protect the sick who cannot take the vaccine themselves (or that the vaccine simply didnt work for). Herd immunity is also needed to stop the spread and therefore help control the mutation rate, to protect all humanity. Here, I present your own state's pre-covid legally required vaccinations.

NC
https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation...A-152.html

and VA
https://heav.org/virginia-homeschool-law...tion-laws/