(07-12-2020 09:28 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(07-12-2020 08:58 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(07-11-2020 05:33 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  According to article in this morning's Washington Post the entire season is in jeopardy. These are
dire times, getting worse by the day, and most universities have lots more to worry about than football,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnie...125ad92e51

Author of linked article in Forbes offers no sugar coating.

"At all but a couple of dozen big-time sports universities, athletics budgets have faced serious structural imbalances for decades. But there was always some false hope that things would turn around - the football team will get better and ticket sales will soar, a move up to Division I will bring more TV revenue, a new stadium will attract more fans, deep-pocket donors will give more money if the basketball team makes it to the Big Dance. When those hopes didn’t materialize, universities would just dip into their general fund and give athletics the subsidies it needed.

But now, as a result of the pandemic, many universities’ general funds are in the deepest holes ever, with all signs pointing to them getting deeper."

Makes one wonder whether FCS/Mid-Major athletic programs can hibernate for a year and hope a vaccine allows resumption of competition in 21-22. And whether institutions/athletic departments have a vision for affordably shaping how their competitive landscape -- one minus buy games, with reduced enrollments and student activity fees, fewer ticket sales, lower media/marketing revenues, and smaller donations -- should look a year from now.

Stanford, discussed prominently in the Forbes article, has an endowment of $27.7 billion. That money supposedly is there to serve a student population of about 17,000. In reality, Stanford invests its money like any other hedge fund, to maximize its return. Big universities need to dip into their endowments and support the quality of life of its students, including the non-revenue-producing sports.

https://news.stanford.edu/2019/10/02/sta...endowment/

This is a nice commentary on the logistics of dipping into endowments-- although I'm not sure if there is much precedent for times like this one. In short, the author argues that it's doable under certain conditions but a bit of a last resort. https://www.chronicle.com/article/How-Un...ork/249101

There is also a growing inequity dialogue on the idea that revenue sport teams (predominately made up of students of color at most big time athletic programs) are too relied-upon for funding non-revenue sport teams (often times mostly white student athletes): https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la...tory.html. Not totally related to this thread but I have to imagine the political and public health landscape we face right now has the capacity to give these ideas traction (and that schools that don't address them could face some extent of social "cancellation").

No Patriot League fall sports I just read on the College Sports page. That means all of our OOC football games are cancelled.

(07-13-2020 09:45 AM)tribe_pride Wrote:  No Patriot League fall sports I just read on the College Sports page. That means all of our OOC football games are cancelled.

We already knew they intended to cancel OOC games so this won't make it any worse (or better) for us.

We may see the FCS move games to spring '21

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No Colgate or Lafayette. Who are we going to replace our non conference games with? Play additional CAA teams instead? Play local in states like ODU? Only play eight games? Cancel everything until next fall? Spring football is a joke and will NOT work. If anything, the virus will be worse during the winter/spring when flu season is superimposed.

Hampton has also cancelled Fall sports

Do “fall sports” cover the entirety of the first semester as in the first part of basketball season, or is it just referring to first wave of sports seasons like soccer, field hockey, football, etc....?


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(07-13-2020 04:02 PM)Naptown Tribe Wrote:  Do “fall sports” cover the entirety of the first semester as in the first part of basketball season, or is it the just referring to first wave of sports seasons like soccer, field hockey, football, etc....?


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Basketball is a winter sport, so just the ones you listed. The Ivy, however, cancelled all sports through Jan 1, which would effect basketball

Down to eight football games with the big money Stanford game among the three cancelled contests, with the virus rampant over the nation and gaining again in Hampton Roads and zero national leadership, with no attendance at any games, one has to ask the question whether we should play football and the other fall sports at this point. The season appears meaningless right now and, in fact, loaded with peril.

(07-14-2020 05:22 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Down to eight football games with the big money Stanford game among the three cancelled contests, with the virus rampant over the nation and gaining again in Hampton Roads and zero national leadership, with no attendance at any games, one has to ask the question whether we should play football and the other fall sports at this point. The season appears meaningless right now and, in fact, loaded with peril.

While I know the boys want to play and coaches would like to coach, I can't see how it is worth it to play an 8 game schedule with the risk of easily losing two games per player due to Covid 19 positive testing. A waste of a year of eligibility. I feel for the December graduating seniors as well. What the heck are they supposed to do?

(07-14-2020 07:02 AM)Tribe3455 Wrote:  

(07-14-2020 05:22 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  Down to eight football games with the big money Stanford game among the three cancelled contests, with the virus rampant over the nation and gaining again in Hampton Roads and zero national leadership, with no attendance at any games, one has to ask the question whether we should play football and the other fall sports at this point. The season appears meaningless right now and, in fact, loaded with peril.

While I know the boys want to play and coaches would like to coach, I can't see how it is worth it to play an 8 game schedule with the risk of easily losing two games per player due to Covid 19 positive testing. A waste of a year of eligibility. I feel for the December graduating seniors as well. What the heck are they supposed to do?

Take that sheepskin and go get a job. If the really want to keep playing, and if they get another year of eligibility they should be applying to grad school now for January. That could be a good hedge.

Aside from safety issues about playing, it probably also makes 0 financial sense for us to play. It seems likely we wouldn't be able to have fans this fall, and most of our revenue comes from ticket sales, tailgating lots, and getting alumni back on campus. Flo's 50k isn't gonna cover the cost of a football season

Cancellation of Homecoming is all you need to know in terms of whether there will be fans at the games

CAA FOOTBALL POSTPONES VIRTUAL MEDIA DAY

https://caasports.com/news/2020/7/14/caa...a-day.aspx

The Virginia High School League on Wednesday scrapped football for the fall season as it continues to contemplate options for the upcoming high school sports season.

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Canceling fall sports is a joke. It will be no better in the spring. They just screwed all the VA high school seniors out of their last chance to play football. In Ohio, we have had ONE person under 20 die of COVID-19. Not sure what the stats are like in VA, but I would have to think they are similar. Ridiculous!

(07-15-2020 07:42 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Canceling fall sports is a joke. It will be no better in the spring. They just screwed all the VA high school seniors out of their last chance to play football. In Ohio, we have had ONE person under 20 die of COVID-19. Not sure what the stats are like in VA, but I would have to think they are similar. Ridiculous!

Aren't you saying that Ohio has done a good job of keeping it relatively under control to this point? That would lead me to have faith that the officials making decisions are doing a good job. In Virginia, we're not Florida or anything, but cases are rising, at least in part because people are tired of doing the things that have worked to this point.

(07-15-2020 07:42 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Canceling fall sports is a joke. It will be no better in the spring. They just screwed all the VA high school seniors out of their last chance to play football. In Ohio, we have had ONE person under 20 die of COVID-19. Not sure what the stats are like in VA, but I would have to think they are similar. Ridiculous!

In VA there have been zero.

In NY there have been 15 (out of 25,000).

edit: a lot of school systems in VA appear to be going virtual or part-virtual to start the year. Don't see how you can have sports if the kids aren't even at the school.

Virginia High School Federation yesterday cancelled all fall sports, including football. Virys cases have been going up for the past ten days in the state, dramatically in Hampton Roads.

(07-15-2020 08:56 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 07:42 PM)Tribester Wrote:  Canceling fall sports is a joke. It will be no better in the spring. They just screwed all the VA high school seniors out of their last chance to play football. In Ohio, we have had ONE person under 20 die of COVID-19. Not sure what the stats are like in VA, but I would have to think they are similar. Ridiculous!

Aren't you saying that Ohio has done a good job of keeping it relatively under control to this point? That would lead me to have faith that the officials making decisions are doing a good job. In Virginia, we're not Florida or anything, but cases are rising, at least in part because people are tired of doing the things that have worked to this point.

Oh, come on. It’s clear the reference is to local data on the impact to youth. Ohio is his local point of reference. Implying this is related to a draconian approach is not the point or even relative to the shutdown mentality.

The data that should be followed are mortality rates, not overall infections rates. If we haven’t learned from data that priority #1 is to protect the vulnerable, those over 70 with other frailties, we aren’t responding to the problem. The science shows us that. You only have to look at NY State to see the impact of horrible management of this crisis (32,000 deaths) and it wasn’t related to lockdowns or masks. It was a result of forcing the virus within the most vulnerable population.

If we really want to try and connect the dots on optimal public management, look at the mortality rates by State. NY, NJ, IL, MI and CT are at the top. Their management aren’t examples to emulate.

Lou Holtz was interviewed last night and spoke well on the matter regarding youth and fall sports. He referenced the numbers showing those under 25 are far more vulnerable to the annual flu than this strain and certainly not a sound rationale to keep kids from school or sports.