Back to COVID and sports...

Before yesterday’s game was postponed, Boston College MBB was going to play their game vs #16 Florida State with FOUR scholarship players available. Would have had to start at least one walk-on.

Wonder what U-Dee and Joey-D thought about that...

See this article on NJ teacher pay where median is just under 74k and it gives the top 25 districts for pay. Only one is over 100 (way over), but many are close. It really does depend on the district and the mix of teachers ages/experience, etc. Generally, the places where you get paid more are the more affluent areas.

https://www.nj.com/education/2021/01/the...-most.html

My wife is a teacher with an MS and 22 years of experience and makes ~83k a year and probably works 50+ hours most weeks. For comparison purposes entry level folks that I hire have a starting pay package in the mid 70's. Apples to oranges, but anyone who says teachers are overpaid really doesn't have a clue. Administrators in NJ can make north of 200k though most are in the 125-175 range.

(02-02-2021 11:09 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  See this article on NJ teacher pay where median is just under 74k and it gives the top 25 districts for pay. Only one is over 100 (way over), but many are close. It really does depend on the district and the mix of teachers ages/experience, etc. Generally, the places where you get paid more are the more affluent areas.

https://www.nj.com/education/2021/01/the...-most.html

My wife is a teacher with an MS and 22 years of experience and makes ~83k a year and probably works 50+ hours most weeks. For comparison purposes entry level folks that I hire have a starting pay package in the mid 70's. Apples to oranges, but anyone who says teachers are overpaid really doesn't have a clue. Administrators in NJ can make north of 200k though most are in the 125-175 range.

The Central Dauphin SD, outside Harrisburg, has been online for most of the school year. An elementary school teacher there makes over $89,000 per year, online or in person, regardless of student progress. Hard to dispute they are overpaid.

(02-02-2021 11:27 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 11:09 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  See this article on NJ teacher pay where median is just under 74k and it gives the top 25 districts for pay. Only one is over 100 (way over), but many are close. It really does depend on the district and the mix of teachers ages/experience, etc. Generally, the places where you get paid more are the more affluent areas.

https://www.nj.com/education/2021/01/the...-most.html

My wife is a teacher with an MS and 22 years of experience and makes ~83k a year and probably works 50+ hours most weeks. For comparison purposes entry level folks that I hire have a starting pay package in the mid 70's. Apples to oranges, but anyone who says teachers are overpaid really doesn't have a clue. Administrators in NJ can make north of 200k though most are in the 125-175 range.

The Central Dauphin SD, outside Harrisburg, has been online for most of the school year. An elementary school teacher there makes over $89,000 per year, online or in person, regardless of student progress. Hard to dispute they are overpaid.

I will put the caveat on in most areas in NJ they are not overpaid considering cost of living, etc. About 10% of districts in NJ are fully in school, 65% are hybrid, and he other quarter are fully remote. I think they should be in school and it can be made safe and my wife can't wait to go back fully with all students (she is in classroom every day with limited students). She also had covid and most likely got in the classroom and it is worth the risk. My wife is also rated on the progress of her students throughout the year.

(02-02-2021 11:42 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 11:27 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 11:09 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  See this article on NJ teacher pay where median is just under 74k and it gives the top 25 districts for pay. Only one is over 100 (way over), but many are close. It really does depend on the district and the mix of teachers ages/experience, etc. Generally, the places where you get paid more are the more affluent areas.

https://www.nj.com/education/2021/01/the...-most.html

My wife is a teacher with an MS and 22 years of experience and makes ~83k a year and probably works 50+ hours most weeks. For comparison purposes entry level folks that I hire have a starting pay package in the mid 70's. Apples to oranges, but anyone who says teachers are overpaid really doesn't have a clue. Administrators in NJ can make north of 200k though most are in the 125-175 range.

The Central Dauphin SD, outside Harrisburg, has been online for most of the school year. An elementary school teacher there makes over $89,000 per year, online or in person, regardless of student progress. Hard to dispute they are overpaid.

I will put the caveat on in most areas in NJ they are not overpaid considering cost of living, etc. About 10% of districts in NJ are fully in school, 65% are hybrid, and he other quarter are fully remote. I think they should be in school and it can be made safe and my wife can't wait to go back fully with all students (she is in classroom every day with limited students). She also had covid and most likely got in the classroom and it is worth the risk. My wife is also rated on the progress of her students throughout the year.

God bless your wife. I hope she recovers from COVID soon.

I've been really, really trying hard to stay out of this discussion, but I'm finding it harder and harder.

83 - what SHOULD a teacher be paid? What is this based on? What other careers are you comparing to? Please show your math. And please, don't deflect by talking about performance. What is the "right" pay for a teacher?

(02-02-2021 12:29 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I've been really, really trying hard to stay out of this discussion, but I'm finding it harder and harder.

83 - what SHOULD a teacher be paid? What is this based on? What other careers are you comparing to? Please show your math. And please, don't deflect by talking about performance. What is the "right" pay for a teacher?

I'm not going to bother responding. Clearly, you think teachers should make six figures, to go along with their great benefits, summers off and no accountability.

(02-02-2021 12:46 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 12:29 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I've been really, really trying hard to stay out of this discussion, but I'm finding it harder and harder.

83 - what SHOULD a teacher be paid? What is this based on? What other careers are you comparing to? Please show your math. And please, don't deflect by talking about performance. What is the "right" pay for a teacher?

I'm not going to bother responding. Clearly, you think teachers should make six figures, to go along with their great benefits, summers off and no accountability.

How can you have a reasoned discussion without being willing to set a baseline for what the correct pay is? I have been frustrated by your statements, yes. I'm not saying teachers "should" make 6 figures (and there's a lot of evidence in this thread that your claim that it's the average pay is false anyways). But it's an incredibly infuriating "debate method" to throw around bold statements and claims that something is wrong, inappropriate, etc while being unwilling to state what IS appropriate.

(02-02-2021 12:49 PM)wml33t Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 12:46 PM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 12:29 PM)wml33t Wrote:  I've been really, really trying hard to stay out of this discussion, but I'm finding it harder and harder.

83 - what SHOULD a teacher be paid? What is this based on? What other careers are you comparing to? Please show your math. And please, don't deflect by talking about performance. What is the "right" pay for a teacher?

I'm not going to bother responding. Clearly, you think teachers should make six figures, to go along with their great benefits, summers off and no accountability.

How can you have a reasoned discussion without being willing to set a baseline for what the correct pay is? I have been frustrated by your statements, yes. I'm not saying teachers "should" make 6 figures (and there's a lot of evidence in this thread that your claim that it's the average pay is false anyways). But it's an incredibly infuriating "debate method" to throw around bold statements and claims that something is wrong, inappropriate, etc while being unwilling to state what IS appropriate.

Teacher pay in PA is a matter of public record. It's not a "claim." The median teacher salary in the SD where I live is over $100,000. https://data.ydr.com/educator-salary/pa-1234693030/

You can't talk about teacher pay without considering accountability. Some teachers in online environments even have implemented "office hours." That way they only have to bother answering student questions during certain hours of the school day. It's infuriating that many teachers are sitting at home, posting random YouTube videos loftily dubbed "asynchronous learning," collecting full salary and complaining they're underpaid.

In the interests of actually listening to Tribal...

I created a new thread in OT to continue teacher discussion.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-915983-post-17...id17254118

(02-01-2021 09:16 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  Just realized that students still arriving onto campus for Spring

January 22: new students (transfer & freshmen), international students, freshmen who studied remotely in the fall
January 23-24: freshmen who lived on campus in the fall / international students
January 30: seniors
February 6-7: sophomores / juniors

Virginia Vaccine Phase 1C includes Institutions of Higher Education Faculty/Staff.

Next in line for keeping in-person classes going, but unclear if that will impact keeping WM open if students not yet vaccinated.

at this rate we will be lucky to get to 1C by summer

(02-03-2021 12:14 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 09:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 11:42 AM)DSL Wrote:  Older fans in Williamsburg/JCC have little hope of getting the vaccine in time for a season of football.
Most of us will likely be dead before the vaccine is available.
Riverside and Sentara have already announced they will not give us the vaccine if
our primary physician is not one of their own.
Does this leave out everyone with a doctor associated with TPMG?
Local pharmacies have little information on availability.
If anyone knows how an age eligible person can get a shot, please let us know.
I would have little fear of attending games after receiving the first shot.

This probably should be on the Covid thread though I registered my mother, 93 years old, with help from people on this board, the link provided over a week ago. It was for Henrico County. It’s been over a week with no response while my niece and her husband, both Henrico County teachers, received vaccines last week. I’m not aware that they are going back to classroom teaching anything soon or even support doing so.

This seems very familiar with the news on Fairfax County. Teachers getting top priority with no apparent desire to go back into a classroom until children are vaccinated.

This will be criminal in my mind if the State uses most of their vaccines on public officials while the elderly are left primarily ignored.

I agree with you that seniors should all be vaccinated before anyone else. I don't think that you can say that anyone is getting priority right now though, because there is not enough organization for there to be priority. Quite frankly, the vaccine rollout in Virginia is a cluster*.

(02-03-2021 06:44 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  The State mandated yesterday that at least 50% of future vaccine be given to folks 65 and older and pharmacy distribution.
At least we have two steps in the right direction.

A little inquiring might serve you well if registered a week ago and no response. I have relatives >65 (VB) who registered and received their first dose yesterday...all within a week.

My in laws (both are over 65) were able to get on and have appointments on Thursday through Giant. This is in MD and from what I understand they had to be persistent.

I will say.. I have relatives that are 65+ in James City County who have been VERY diligent trying to get a vaccine and they have zero idea when they'll be able to get one. The process has been far from smooth in VA.

(02-03-2021 09:28 AM)wml33t Wrote:  I will say.. I have relatives that are 65+ in James City County who have been VERY diligent trying to get a vaccine and they have zero idea when they'll be able to get one. The process has been far from smooth in VA.

My parents (84 and 80) both live in the City of Williamsburg and their doctors office contacted them about three weeks ago to schedule an appt. They received their first dose two weeks ago. I'd consider neither computer savvy so I was a little concerned. The practice - which is affiliated with Riverside - was very proactive with them. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case your relatives want to reach out to Riverside.

Much of the poor coordination stems from relying on the US healthcare system...a disjointed conglomerate of unafiliated public, private and corporate entities who rarely work together in any measurable way. Vaccine distribution would have been easier and more functional if orchestrated by the military.

(02-03-2021 09:54 AM)Tribe1693 Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 09:28 AM)wml33t Wrote:  I will say.. I have relatives that are 65+ in James City County who have been VERY diligent trying to get a vaccine and they have zero idea when they'll be able to get one. The process has been far from smooth in VA.

My parents (84 and 80) both live in the City of Williamsburg and their doctors office contacted them about three weeks ago to schedule an appt. They received their first dose two weeks ago. I'd consider neither computer savvy so I was a little concerned. The practice - which is affiliated with Riverside - was very proactive with them. Just thought I'd throw it out there in case your relatives want to reach out to Riverside.

Riverside and Sentara (who they are with) are working with patients starting with the oldest and working down. I think this is a good path, but it means those closer to 65 have some time to wait for that solution.

My doctor yesterday told me TPMG is lobbying state officials to get access to the vaccine and break the Sentara/Riverside monopoly. Excluding doctors who are not affiliated with the favored networks should violate some sort of state regulations.
The goal now is to shoot everyone as quickly as possible. All primary doctors should be utilized!

Be alert when registering!!!

We registered on the VA-Peninsula website last week but received no acknowledgement.

We registered again yesterday and within a couple hours we received an email confirming we are now on the list.

Better keep registering until you receive a reply. This process is difficult for the elderly.

(02-03-2021 08:09 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 12:14 AM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 09:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(01-26-2021 11:42 AM)DSL Wrote:  Older fans in Williamsburg/JCC have little hope of getting the vaccine in time for a season of football.
Most of us will likely be dead before the vaccine is available.
Riverside and Sentara have already announced they will not give us the vaccine if
our primary physician is not one of their own.
Does this leave out everyone with a doctor associated with TPMG?
Local pharmacies have little information on availability.
If anyone knows how an age eligible person can get a shot, please let us know.
I would have little fear of attending games after receiving the first shot.

This probably should be on the Covid thread though I registered my mother, 93 years old, with help from people on this board, the link provided over a week ago. It was for Henrico County. It’s been over a week with no response while my niece and her husband, both Henrico County teachers, received vaccines last week. I’m not aware that they are going back to classroom teaching anything soon or even support doing so.

This seems very familiar with the news on Fairfax County. Teachers getting top priority with no apparent desire to go back into a classroom until children are vaccinated.

This will be criminal in my mind if the State uses most of their vaccines on public officials while the elderly are left primarily ignored.

I agree with you that seniors should all be vaccinated before anyone else. I don't think that you can say that anyone is getting priority right now though, because there is not enough organization for there to be priority. Quite frankly, the vaccine rollout in Virginia is a cluster*.

(02-03-2021 06:44 AM)bubbadog57 Wrote:  The State mandated yesterday that at least 50% of future vaccine be given to folks 65 and older and pharmacy distribution.
At least we have two steps in the right direction.

A little inquiring might serve you well if registered a week ago and no response. I have relatives >65 (VB) who registered and received their first dose yesterday...all within a week.

Yes, I called the number provided and checked this week. It went to a voicemail box that replied the mailbox was full and no longer taking voice messages.