(03-11-2020 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

No one has said it "unnatural" or "manmade". Whatever that means. You are deflecting.

No, I'm not. My only point was that when I saw someone hinting that the Chinese released this from a lab, I posted that the medical peeps here say it didn't come from a lab.

That's not deflecting. That's my point.

The Chinese screwed us by keeping it quiet and letting it spread quickly outside their country (probably as bad as releasing a lab virus). I'm just trying to disabuse people of the idea this was some preconceived conspiracy that involved a manufactured virus, which people here have posited over and over. It wasn't. This time.

I've posted all that before, too. Not sure how you call that deflecting.

Anyone get one of his theories as to why so many Americans will be impacted? Our health is horrible as a population. I can attest to this in my area. Id bet this virus will take out a solid 1/3 of the population if it hit here in the rural South with limited intervention and medical care compared to that of urban areas. Lots of rural America fit this description.

(03-11-2020 09:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

No one has said it "unnatural" or "manmade". Whatever that means. You are deflecting.

No, I'm not. My only point was that when I saw someone hinting that the Chinese released this from a lab, I posted that the medical peeps here say it didn't come from a lab.

That's not deflecting. That's my point.

The Chinese screwed us by keeping it quiet and letting it spread quickly outside their country (probably as bad as releasing a lab virus). I'm just trying to disabuse people of the idea this was some preconceived conspiracy that involved a manufactured virus, which people here have posited over and over. It wasn't. This time.

I've posted all that before, too. Not sure how you call that deflecting.

The virus likely came from Pangolins...The most trafficked non human creature.

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

Touché to you. Since HIVirus/AIDS still has conflicting reports and studies that come out every year about:
1) Origination-They believe chimps/monkeys. First human case reported in 1920s which I get can make this part hard.
2) Mutation-Chimps/Monkeys get SIV and it isn’t known how it became HIV
3) Transmission- No clue how it transmitted to humans.

I’d hesitate that after one month even in modern times we (Edit: The Doctors/Scientist) have all the above down pat. If so, I think we’d have a legitimate timeline for a vaccination. Just my $.02

FYI, I’m not worried about this virus, but I don’t think the general public or maybe even the experts really understand exactly what happened yet. In science, last time I checked until they can prove a theory in studies and it’s published in one of the respected journals it’s just their (while better than mine and yours) opinion.

(03-11-2020 09:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

No one has said it "unnatural" or "manmade". Whatever that means. You are deflecting.

No, I'm not. My only point was that when I saw someone hinting that the Chinese released this from a lab, I posted that the medical peeps here say it didn't come from a lab.

That's not deflecting. That's my point.

The Chinese screwed us by keeping it quiet and letting it spread quickly outside their country (probably as bad as releasing a lab virus). I'm just trying to disabuse people of the idea this was some preconceived conspiracy that involved a manufactured virus, which people here have posited over and over. It wasn't. This time.

I've posted all that before, too. Not sure how you call that deflecting.

There is no way to determine if a virus has been in a lab once it is carried by a human. The Chinese are on record of testing THIS virus in their lab to see if it can be transferred to human cells from bat cells back in 2015. Why would they do this? Their test is now complete and verified. Not man made or unnatural. Came from bats and stored in the lab. Don't know why this is so difficult to understand and unplausible.

(03-11-2020 09:51 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

No one has said it "unnatural" or "manmade". Whatever that means. You are deflecting.

No, I'm not. My only point was that when I saw someone hinting that the Chinese released this from a lab, I posted that the medical peeps here say it didn't come from a lab.

That's not deflecting. That's my point.

The Chinese screwed us by keeping it quiet and letting it spread quickly outside their country (probably as bad as releasing a lab virus). I'm just trying to disabuse people of the idea this was some preconceived conspiracy that involved a manufactured virus, which people here have posited over and over. It wasn't. This time.

I've posted all that before, too. Not sure how you call that deflecting.

There is no way to determine if a virus has been in a lab once it is carried by a human. The Chinese are on record of testing THIS virus in their lab to see if it can be transferred to human cells from bat cells back in 2015. Why would they do this? Their test is now complete and verified. Not man made or unnatural. Came from bats and stored in the lab. Don't know why this is so difficult to understand and unplausible.

I get it. You still don't. The docs I saw and/or read (3 of them now, all American infectious disease specialists) said they looked at the structure of the virus under microscopes, and/or talked to other medical docs who did the same. They said those specimens, taken from multiple patients, had in no way been manipulated in a lab, before or after. Ever. 100%.

They specifically said the rumors of Chinese lab manipulation were complete BS, in so many words.

Like I said, believe what you want. So will I. Opinions vary. Nobody is budging. No hard feelings. Peace...

(03-11-2020 02:22 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 01:53 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 01:28 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 01:20 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  So when by October and no more than 200 or so sick elderly folks have died from this will he no longer be an expert?

Let's all hope that's the case - because it will mean that the public health efforts to contain it worked.

Lol, Yea. Not that the guy pouring gas on a fire might just be full of schit.

My guess is this lands somewhere in between the two extremes. Likely significantly more than some 200, but also nowhere near half a million.

With zerO squatting in office we had the h1n1 (swine flu) outbreak and nearly 13,000 deaths associated.

Do we all recall the hysteria that ran crazy just ten years ago? SARS? Mers?

Yea, me neither

People are still dying from H1N1. There is an easy way to see how deadly this virus is. We have a perfect study of Coronavirus that no one is talking about. It is called the Diamond Princess that was quarantined off the coast of Japan. There were 621 positive tests and 2 people died. An 87 yr old and an 84 yr old. One of you math genius can figure out what the mortality rate equals out to.
Diamond Princess Coronavirus Case Study

Quote:Per the data, 621 cases of the virus had been identified among the 3,711 quarantined passengers and crew, making the ship the site of the most infections outside of China; one Diamond Princess passenger has recovered.

Quote:According to Japanese broadcast outlet, NHK, the two Japanese cruise passengers who died from the virus were an 87-year-old man and an 84-year-old woman.

The two passengers were taken to the hospital on Feb. 11 and 12, respectively, and each tested positive the day after they were admitted, Health Ministry official Masami Sakoi said. They are believed to have been infected before the ship was officially placed under quarantine on Feb. 5.

By the way, your Diamond Princess study is still ongoing. As of today---

696 infections
325 recovered
7 dead
364 cases still active
32 of the active cases are currently critical.

Assuming every single one of the 364 currently active cases survive, the mortality rate would be 1%---about ten times the mortality rate of the normal seasonal flu. My guess is that the mortality rate in this unique case study is probably going to rise.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

(03-11-2020 10:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:51 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:28 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:00 PM)TripleA Wrote:  None of what you said negates the fact that American doctors said it's natural. Not some government official. Here or there.

Believe what you want. That's what people do in times like this.

No one has said it "unnatural" or "manmade". Whatever that means. You are deflecting.

No, I'm not. My only point was that when I saw someone hinting that the Chinese released this from a lab, I posted that the medical peeps here say it didn't come from a lab.

That's not deflecting. That's my point.

The Chinese screwed us by keeping it quiet and letting it spread quickly outside their country (probably as bad as releasing a lab virus). I'm just trying to disabuse people of the idea this was some preconceived conspiracy that involved a manufactured virus, which people here have posited over and over. It wasn't. This time.

I've posted all that before, too. Not sure how you call that deflecting.

There is no way to determine if a virus has been in a lab once it is carried by a human. The Chinese are on record of testing THIS virus in their lab to see if it can be transferred to human cells from bat cells back in 2015. Why would they do this? Their test is now complete and verified. Not man made or unnatural. Came from bats and stored in the lab. Don't know why this is so difficult to understand and unplausible.

I get it. You still don't. The docs I saw and/or read (3 of them now, all American infectious disease specialists) said they looked at the structure of the virus under microscopes, and/or talked to other medical docs who did the same. They said those specimens, taken from multiple patients, had in no way been manipulated in a lab, before or after. Ever. 100%.

They specifically said the rumors of Chinese lab manipulation were complete BS, in so many words.

Like I said, believe what you want. So will I. Opinions vary. Nobody is budging. No hard feelings. Peace...

I don't get it? You just said manipulated. Who is talking about manipulating anything. It is stored in a freezer. They have the virus, now strangely it is all over the world.