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20-21 MBB Thoughts & Look Ahead
I’m still smarting and crushed over the loss last night. Truly would give a lot to be rooting like crazy in DC for us in the semi’s at this moment. For me, it’s not just the loss in a vacuum but it’s wishing Tony had been given the chance to finish what he started (and I say that really really liking Dane), the mark of the end of the perceived championship window of the last several years combined with an uncertainty about what the future holds as the team reshapes in a very different way with many unknowns and as Dane really puts a stamp on what he wants the team to look like as he recruits. Dane is supposed to be a really good recruiter and I think he thrives in building culture/core values and shaping the team around its strengths. That means next year’s offense could/should look really different.

With the right recruits/transfers I believe you could see us having a year next year like Elon had this year being middle of the pack after losing a ton of folks but hitting their stride at the right time with the right freshman and a key grad transfer. We have a new facility to sell in recruiting (like Elon) and Dane is the reigning coach of the year and coached the POY, DPOY, and saw Luke really grow and develop this past summer. I also think Dane will continue to grow as a head coach. No matter how you shake it, winning COY in your first year as a collegiate head coach is outstanding especially getting this team to truly come together with so many new pieces.

I am by nature an optimistic realist. So to help myself try to take a step to move forward and because it’s fun, for me at least, I wanted to take a look at the current roster for next year and get thoughts on roles, needs and key questions. Yes, we don’t have Nate or Andy, but I’m not ready to just say we’re gonna suck because I think Dane and staff can and will recruit well and build the team well and some key guys will grow.

Next year as it stands now:

Guards: Loewe (Sr), Scott (Jr), Ayesa (So), Hermanovskis (So), Williams (Sr), Washburn (Jr - walk on), Dronjak (R-Sr - walk on)

Forwards: Blair (Jr), Stone (So)

Bigs: Harvey (Jr), Wight (R-Fr)

Signed Freshman: Milkereit (G/F), Kochera (G/F)

Scholarships currently available: 2

As it stands right now, I think we need both Jake and Connor to play well early and often and need to land a stud PG (would love to sign Yuri Covington) and get a really good big (either a fresh or grad transfer). We need a PG who can start day 1 as I don’t think we are at our best when Thornton is at the point. We were really good the last few games when Bryce turned it up and Bryce getting in foul trouble last night killed us.

We need guards and wings that can create their own shot and that starts at the PG position with a guy who can get his own shot and penetrate and kick to others like Ayesa.

Unfortunately Jihar just hasn’t panned out. We have no idea what to expect from Wight or Stone really. I think Harvey could really help defensively and get some offensive boards and putbacks. Who knows how much he’s grown playing against Nathan this year in practice because he barely saw the court.

It wouldn’t shock me at all if Blair starts or if he is our 6th man but I think he and Loewe will really need to be the leaders on this team and I love how they both play. Blair continues to improve and if he continues to work hard this summer, I think he could really be impactful the next two years.

This is Luke’s team leadership wise next year and I’m good with that. Hope he continues to grow and set the tone.

Would love Thornton to grow this summer like Luke did last year particularly in maturity on the court. He has a lot of raw ability but needs to value the ball and go hard and do the little things necessary to win on both ends each possession. He has the skill set to be a scorer in this league and we will need his consistency to improve.

Not really sure what Rainers will turn out to be. He sorta just killed time without doing much good or bad this year on the court so others could get a breather.

Ayesa seems to have the ability to be Burchfield 2.0. He’s a sharp shooting assassin who will hopefully get quicker and add an ability to go to the rack off a shot fake. He’s a weapon but hope he grows to be more than one dimensional.

I really like both our initial signings and think they’ll be foundational for the next chapter of our program.

Defense travels and we will again be a defensive minded team that hopefully can pick up some scorers to add to the mix.

What do you guys think? Any surprises with the transfer portal you might predict? I’m not ready to throw the towel in for next year yet but Dane is gonna have to prove his COY status in a very different way next year than this year, but he is building His program and I’m intrigued to see what he’ll do. I believe in him. Go Tribe!!




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Big Bubba saw about as much playing time as Harvey and Wight, combined. If that doesn't concern Tribe fans, nothing will.

We NEED, at minimum, one solid big to even make games competitive next season. Gotta be a transfer who is ready, day one.

Unfortunately, even with another AVV type, he won't be eligible until 2021-2022 unless we pull him from a JuCo or there's a waiver.

I'm actually okay with burning the program to the ground, focus on recruiting HS kids, and rebuild for 2024-2025. I'm okay with that if it's Dane's plan.

If not, and if Dane can lure a couple promising sophomores, we could have a shot in a couple of years.

Solid post, Naptown.

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For whatever reason I'm feeling really good about next season right now. That list of returning players strikes me as a set of high energy, high effort guys who can really put together a solid 40 minutes on the defensive end of the floor. Luke and Quinn will be the perfect two to lead by example with that mindset.

My biggest concern is scoring. We will either need Thornton, Rainers, or someone unexpected to take a step forward from the outside or for Luke and Quinn to increase their usage. Curious to see how Dane decides to adapt.

I really don't know what we'll look like down low next year but Harvey has always been a solid defender. His lack of minutes this season has consistently been the most puzzling decision Dane has made imo. I hope he comes out strong next year.

Anything we get from the freshmen or transfers is gravy for me. Not a knock on them, they could be great. But I don't have the knowledge to evaluate how their games will translate to the college level. Oh and signing Covington would be great too.

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(03-09-2020 08:18 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Big Bubba saw about as much playing time as Harvey and Wight, combined. If that doesn't concern Tribe fans, nothing will.

We NEED, at minimum, one solid big to even make games competitive next season. Gotta be a transfer who is ready, day one.

Unfortunately, even with another AVV type, he won't be eligible until 2021-2022 unless we pull him from a JuCo or there's a waiver.

I'm actually okay with burning the program to the ground, focus on recruiting HS kids, and rebuild for 2024-2025. I'm okay with that if it's Dane's plan.

If not, and if Dane can lure a couple promising sophomores, we could have a shot in a couple of years.

Solid post, Naptown.

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Yep, next year is pretty much a wasted year. We just will not have the talent to compete barring some very good transfers randomly coming here. We just need to focus on recruiting, getting good players here, and then worrying about getting transfers here to be the final pieces in a year or two
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I think there are only 3 locked-in starters next year: Loewe, Scott, and Blair. Loewe should continue to improve and will run the point. Scott should hopefully continue to improve as a shooter and it will help that he's off-ball more, but he'll need to pick it up on defense as he'll likely take the weaker opposing guard but will get burned by teams with two strong guards. Blair has proven a quality 4 guy in this league and would be expected to bang bodies and rebound on D and space the floor on offense; I don't think he's quick enough to consistently play the 3.

Looking at the rest of the returning guys:
Ayesa - Unless he improves consistently into the upper-40% from 3 then he should be relegated to spot minutes that extend when he's hot. He's a streakier shooter than Burchfield, who's threat/consistently allowed him to constantly remain on the floor even as a defensive liability. Ayesa is a similar defensive liability (will need to improve his footwork/footspeed and positioning; he got hidden this year on D playing mostly 2nd team guys and the weakest offensive player on the other team), so therefore becomes a pretty big negative if he's not hitting shots since he can't do a whole lot off the dribble.
Hermanovskis - Agreed he really just bided time on the court this year. While it seems to be a lazy comparison, there really is a lot of Ollie Tot to his game. From his tape prior to W&M he is a gifted (although not Ollie level) passer of the ball but doesn't have a consistent jump shot yet. He'd probably thrive in an offense that was more passing/cutting oriented, which we should see more of next year with less Knight/AVV isolation plays.
Jihar - Also agreed that he did just not pan out. His jump shot has always appeared rhythm based and he was buried early on and looks like he'd lost confidence in his game. That led to him pressing when he's on the court which exacerbated the bad parts of his game (sloppy handles/passing) and caused inconsistencies (misses) with his jumper. From purely a basketball perspective (I hope all guys stay and get a W&M degree) he'd probably be well served transferring to a smaller school where he'd get guaranteed minutes and could rebuild his confidence as I think he could thrive. Here - it appears his best path to playing time is reinventing himself as a defensive stopper; he has the tools just needs to prove it.
Washburn/Dronjak - Both walk-ons, hard to expect much. Hopefully one becomes a fan favorite like Jamison Glover most recently was.
Stone - Surprised he didn't get on the court a bit more after burning the RS, but we rarely featured anyone at the wing position. If I had to guess based on his HS tape, it would probably be for concerns on the defensive end - he's not strong enough yet to guard a big (like Blair can) and appears a bit slower to defend guards (than say Prewitt was). But the profile is there for him to be a good shooter and create a bit more off the dribble than Ayesa, so barring transfer/signings he'd be my guess to slide into the starting line-up next year.
Harvey - Really disappointed he hasn't developed/panned out. Of the returning guys think he was probably most hurt by the coaching departures. Austin Shaver was a phenomenal developer of big men and Harvey was raw coming in. I believe that the old staff's vision (and think they would have been successful) was that he'd develop into a force on the defensive end at the rim (masking a lot of our defensive issues) and would score a few points a game on put-backs and rim-running after screening. Given that he's from California and came for the staff, he's probably the biggest transfer risk.
Wight - Definitely closer to a AVV type than a Knight, but think his comp from recent years is probably closest to Gaillard. In an ideal world he'd probably spell Blair at the 4 next year and could do spot minutes at the 5 depending on the strength of the opposing bigs.
Milkereit - Would think he's a RS candidate given the knee injury and glut of guards. Based on HS tape and travel circuit stats, there's some worry about the jump shooting ability (30% from 3, 62% FT from the 2019 circuit) but he does have an ability to generate his own shot. Think there should be some concern about whether he can generate against better/quicker defenders, so I'd hope he develops some Prewitt in him to create space/get off shots despite average athleticism.
Kochera - Jump shot technique is solid although will need to speed up his release. No good efficiency stats so hard to get a good read but it's good to see him have a strong season and that he 'blew up' last summer and earned a slew of mid-major offers.
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As for what we need:
Think these guys have to be scouting the globe for a transfer center. Will be tough to see this team competing with the current set-up as I don't think the roster is constructed to run and play small ball and will have some massive defensive holes. Unfortunately there are really 3 needs for 2 scholarship spots right now: point guard for the future, starting wing (someone who can score at 3 levels and guard 2-4), and starting center (really mostly just needs to be able to guard the 5). While Covington is an interesting flyer, I'd be worried about committing to him given the current roster construct as based off of his tape there seem to be some play style questions and I'm not sure he's at this level (think that's fair enough to say given his current offers). Committing a scholarship to a PG right now basically means punting hard on next season unless you're expecting some extraordinary development out of a wing or Harvey.
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I have no expectations for next year. All I care about is the talent in the pipeline. Will the incoming talent be comparable to the last 10 years or the preceding 20?
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Asking ayesa to shoot in the upper 40s from 3 is pretty ridiculous. you are lucky to see the best of Sharp shooters shoot that high from three-point range
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(03-09-2020 09:29 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  I have no expectations for next year. All I care about is the talent in the pipeline. Will the incoming talent be comparable to the last 10 years or the preceding 20?

Very true! We are about to find out if Dane can recruit or not. If not, we will be a sub 10 win team for the next few years
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(03-09-2020 09:32 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Asking ayesa to shoot in the upper 40s from 3 is pretty ridiculous. you are lucky to see the best of Sharp shooters shoot that high from three-point range

LOL I know. But that is kind of the point. I think we all know that if Burchfield was only a high-30% 3 point shooter he'd never see the floor. Ayesa has an advantage of (on reported bio) being a little taller and a little bigger which buys him a bit more lee-way defensively. Now it seems most guys can be mid-30% shooters and therefore just shooting ~40% isn't a big enough distinguisher on a points per possession basis to justify the defensive gap. Elite really means north of 45% or low-40s on very high volume. Barring a system where Ayesa is creating shots for himself and hitting them at that rate, he really needs to be above 45% or it makes sense to play another guy who won't give up as much on the defensive end.

This, of course, is given his current profile, but that percentage 'requirement' would fall as he improves defensively.
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It was a disappointing loss, but I extend my sincere thanks to coaches and players.

This year's team lacked athletic wingmen and next year's team doesn't have one yet. It will be a major challenge to replace Knight/AVV/Barnes/Thompson. We could be killed against more athletic teams. I don't think we have a true PG in Loewe and Scott, so I want one scholarship to go to a PG. The remaining spot should go to a PF/C grad transfer. If we can fill the two spots wisely and we see some growth from current players, we can be competitive.
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(03-09-2020 09:42 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  
(03-09-2020 09:32 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Asking ayesa to shoot in the upper 40s from 3 is pretty ridiculous. you are lucky to see the best of Sharp shooters shoot that high from three-point range

LOL I know. But that is kind of the point. I think we all know that if Burchfield was only a high-30% 3 point shooter he'd never see the floor. Ayesa has an advantage of (on reported bio) being a little taller and a little bigger which buys him a bit more lee-way defensively. Now it seems most guys can be mid-30% shooters and therefore just shooting ~40% isn't a big enough distinguisher on a points per possession basis to justify the defensive gap. Elite really means north of 45% or low-40s on very high volume. Barring a system where Ayesa is creating shots for himself and hitting them at that rate, he really needs to be above 45% or it makes sense to play another guy who won't give up as much on the defensive end.

This, of course, is given his current profile, but that percentage 'requirement' would fall as he improves defensively.

Burchfield was also on a team that had a lot more talent.... And even still, he didn't see many minutes till his junior year. Ayesa knows how to position himself on offense and isn't much worse on defense than the rest of our guards not named Loewe
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I predict that at least one of our players transfers out. If the NCAA allows for a "free pass" one time, I could see some movement, and maybe from someone unexpected like Scott. It's impossible to rate high school players because they are always the best or one of the best players on their team, in their area, etc. Huge numbers game. There are over 1000 D1 freshmen each season. Huge can put a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule to pad the schedule, but the conference play is going to be really tough to watch. Simple question: With the team that we will probably put on the floor next year, how do they compare with the talent on JMU who just finished 2-16?

I really hope Fischer puts in some sort of offense, because we don't have the three only three players who could create shots (Knight, Van Vliet, and Barnes).

I think we can be successful sooner rather than later if we shift to be more of a defense first team that slows down the clock on every possession and traps. We need athletes for that, and I just don't see the speed and agility with the folks on the current team.
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(03-09-2020 09:42 PM)tribalwarfare Wrote:  
(03-09-2020 09:32 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Asking ayesa to shoot in the upper 40s from 3 is pretty ridiculous. you are lucky to see the best of Sharp shooters shoot that high from three-point range

LOL I know. But that is kind of the point. I think we all know that if Burchfield was only a high-30% 3 point shooter he'd never see the floor. Ayesa has an advantage of (on reported bio) being a little taller and a little bigger which buys him a bit more lee-way defensively. Now it seems most guys can be mid-30% shooters and therefore just shooting ~40% isn't a big enough distinguisher on a points per possession basis to justify the defensive gap. Elite really means north of 45% or low-40s on very high volume. Barring a system where Ayesa is creating shots for himself and hitting them at that rate, he really needs to be above 45% or it makes sense to play another guy who won't give up as much on the defensive end.

This, of course, is given his current profile, but that percentage 'requirement' would fall as he improves defensively.

Burchfield was also on a team that had a lot more talent.... And even still, he didn't see many minutes till his junior year. Ayesa knows how to position himself on offense and isn't much worse on defense than the rest of our guards not named Loewe

If you watched Ayesa on both ends, he avoids contact. It's not just that he is a stand alone sharp shooter. He never takes the ball to the hoop, and did not shoot ONE free throw the entire season. That's almost impossible for the number of minutes. Similarly, he had only 27 rebounds and committed only 20 fouls.
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(03-10-2020 06:40 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I predict that at least one of our players transfers out. If the NCAA allows for a "free pass" one time, I could see some movement, and maybe from someone unexpected like Scott. It's impossible to rate high school players because they are always the best or one of the best players on their team, in their area, etc. Huge numbers game. There are over 1000 D1 freshmen each season. Huge can put a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule to pad the schedule, but the conference play is going to be really tough to watch. Simple question: With the team that we will probably put on the floor next year, how do they compare with the talent on JMU who just finished 2-16?

I really hope Fischer puts in some sort of offense, because we don't have the three only three players who could create shots (Knight, Van Vliet, and Barnes).

I think we can be successful sooner rather than later if we shift to be more of a defense first team that slows down the clock on every possession and traps. We need athletes for that, and I just don't see the speed and agility with the folks on the current team.


I’d be at least somewhat surprised if anyone that had meaningful time this year transfers. I could certainly see Harvey or maybe even Stone, but I can’t see one of the guys with regular minutes transferring out.


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I had the same thought about someone(s) transferring out. I have zero insider knowledge, but it feels like the new normal in college basketball, and especially with the reality that many of our players were not recruited by this staff, it seems possible ... potentially even likely. That said, Dane seems to be a real player’s coach and perhaps every single player is bought in.

At this point, I see .500 ball in conference as a stretch goal. Definitely not impossible, though a lot will have to go right for us. As for the floor, I think it’s somewhere in the 3-5 win range. Hard to imagine we’ll do as poorly as JMU this year. Man-for-man talent might not match what they had this year, but this is a team game.

We haven’t seen what Dane wants to do as it relates to offensive schemes. We ran it through the POY and we had fewer pieces around him than desired, which exacerbated the need to just run through Nate. Dane seems like a strong X’s and O’s guy, and a good teacher of the game, so I imagine we’ll hit next year with some clear offensive schemes.

As for the players... we need to find 3 guys who will average 12-15 ppg. I think Loewe is definitely one, and the other two will come from some blend of Scott, Blair, a transfer big, or a stud freshman year from Jake or Connor. We then need the other 2 starters to average 5-8 points. That gets us to 50-55 points, and hopefully we average 10+ points from the bench. We need to win a bunch of 65-60 games.

Without an offensive stud averaging 18+ ppg, we can’t afford to have any starters like Hamilton next year who are total offensive liabilities. Balanced scoring and stifling defense will define us. But I worry we don’t have the athleticism to be the defensive team we need to be.

Loewe will be our leader and workhouse, averaging 33-35 mpg with 12-15 ppg with slight upticks in both rpg (because he’ll have to) and apg (because the offensive sets will enable more cuts to the basket). His attitude, work ethic, and leadership will take us beyond expectations, but even those intangibles can’t get us past what feels like a relatively low ceiling.

Scott needs to make a Loewe-like jump between his sophomore and junior season. He may have the most natural scoring talent on the team next season, especially if he reintroduces that midrange floater we saw during the OOC schedule. It appears to be a head game for him. If he’s bought in to the system and becomes a more focused mature presence on the floor, he could team with Loewe to make a strong off-point back court. We desperately need a true PG since both Loewe and Scott work better in the 2/3 wing spot.

Hopefully Blair rubs off on Scott and they realize that along with Luke, they are the leadership triumvirate. Blair will continue to do all the dirty work, but will also put up some respectable numbers. If he’s conditioned, his playing time should sky-rocket. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him 2x mpg (from 15 to 30), which would be the largest jump on the team. He has sneaky athleticism, but is limited by lack of quickness. He should have a few 20+ point games, especially as he feasts against some good match-ups. But he will likely average 10 ppg, 5 rpg, and 2 apg. Good not great numbers, but when combined with his hustle and leadership, he will be a difference maker.

I think Ayesa does a little more with a little more opportunity, but he’s probably one more season away from taking it to the next level (if he has it in him at all). I think he’ll average 1.5x minutes (22 mpg) and 1.5x scoring (9 ppg).

Hermanovskis, Stone, Wight, and the freshmen are total wildcards. Even though we saw a decent amount of Hermanovskis, we didn’t really “see” much. Who knows what we have there.

Harvey is the biggest variable, in that he could be a serviceable big man (think 20+ mpg, 5-10 ppg, 4-8 rbg, 1-2 bpg), he could see the floor as little as he did this year, or he could transfer out and not even be an option for us. Of course I hope for the serviceable big man option to become reality, but really no reason to expect that at this point.

Hard to believe Jihar started our season opener last year as a sophomore. I keep thinking we’d see development (as he was a very raw high-schooler) but it hasn’t seemed to click for him. The only potential for optimism is that he likely had limited practice time and a very disruptive schedule this year given his first semester struggles. So if he dedicates himself to his studies and to basketball this offseason, I guess there’s a chance. But more than likely, he’ll be in the same spot we saw him this year.

Washburn and Dronjak should continue to push the team at practice and be high character important members of the Tribe.


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(03-10-2020 07:50 AM)wml33t Wrote:  
(03-10-2020 06:40 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I predict that at least one of our players transfers out. If the NCAA allows for a "free pass" one time, I could see some movement, and maybe from someone unexpected like Scott. It's impossible to rate high school players because they are always the best or one of the best players on their team, in their area, etc. Huge numbers game. There are over 1000 D1 freshmen each season. Huge can put a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule to pad the schedule, but the conference play is going to be really tough to watch. Simple question: With the team that we will probably put on the floor next year, how do they compare with the talent on JMU who just finished 2-16?

I really hope Fischer puts in some sort of offense, because we don't have the three only three players who could create shots (Knight, Van Vliet, and Barnes).

I think we can be successful sooner rather than later if we shift to be more of a defense first team that slows down the clock on every possession and traps. We need athletes for that, and I just don't see the speed and agility with the folks on the current team.


I’d be at least somewhat surprised if anyone that had meaningful time this year transfers. I could certainly see Harvey or maybe even Stone, but I can’t see one of the guys with regular minutes transferring out.


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(03-10-2020 08:17 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  
(03-10-2020 07:50 AM)wml33t Wrote:  
(03-10-2020 06:40 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I predict that at least one of our players transfers out. If the NCAA allows for a "free pass" one time, I could see some movement, and maybe from someone unexpected like Scott. It's impossible to rate high school players because they are always the best or one of the best players on their team, in their area, etc. Huge numbers game. There are over 1000 D1 freshmen each season. Huge can put a bunch of cupcakes on the schedule to pad the schedule, but the conference play is going to be really tough to watch. Simple question: With the team that we will probably put on the floor next year, how do they compare with the talent on JMU who just finished 2-16?

I really hope Fischer puts in some sort of offense, because we don't have the three only three players who could create shots (Knight, Van Vliet, and Barnes).

I think we can be successful sooner rather than later if we shift to be more of a defense first team that slows down the clock on every possession and traps. We need athletes for that, and I just don't see the speed and agility with the folks on the current team.


I’d be at least somewhat surprised if anyone that had meaningful time this year transfers. I could certainly see Harvey or maybe even Stone, but I can’t see one of the guys with regular minutes transferring out.


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That really doesn’t change my perspective. I could easily be wrong, but I just don’t think it’s going to happen for the guys that got and can expect to see playing time.


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I think things are going to basically be ground zero. Any semblance of hope for the next 2 years will be based on finding some talent in those last 2 spots and not losing anyone else. It is going to take Dane some time and a couple of good recruiting classes. The Tribe will likely be predicted last next season unless there is a mass exodus of talent from other schools in the CAA. You would expect Elon, UNCW and JMU to be better than they were this season. Hofstra, Northeastern and Delaware are likely to be strong again. Charleston, Drexel and Towson are more unknown(but they should be at least not in a total rebuild). By the time the Tribe is competitive again, our AD will likely have changed. If Coach Fischer manages somehow to win 9 conference games next season, he should be COY again. Our talent level will likely be far less than the one JMU had or the one UNCW had this season.

Hopefully, we can get behind the women's team which should continue to be good next season while the men's program starts over. Also, maybe football will be good.

I don't think it is more likely than not that Shaver coaches next season somewhere. His buyout lasts several more seasons and he is 66 years old I think. Had we given him one more year in 2019-2020, he might have retired by agreement after the season. The biggest difference is that we likely would have had better returning talent, especially when factoring in Cam Brown. We also wouldn't have any issues with each other or the AD had that been the path. Perhaps our 2020-2021 coach would still be Dane Fischer or maybe J. Holmes.
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With all the references to paradise lost with Cam Brown, where did he end up? What kind of year did he have?

Also Chase Aud and LJ Owens. I don’t remember where they went and didn’t hear anything on them.

The only transfer I have seen has been Justin at Carolina. I like Justin though have never seen the Heels finish worse than this year.
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(03-10-2020 09:34 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  With all the references to paradise lost with Cam Brown, where did he end up? What kind of year did he have?

Also Chase Aud and LJ Owens. I don’t remember where they went and didn’t hear anything on them.

The only transfer I have seen has been Justin at Carolina. I like Justin though have never seen the Heels finish worse than this year.


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