(03-09-2020 02:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So I actually had a sit down conversation today with a neuroimmunologist and we discussed this. Her fear is less so about the dangers of the virus (because it manifests much the same as the common flu) and more about:

1. Longer incubation time
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2. More people getting sick without realizing it
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3. Spreading it faster
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4. More people getting the flu-like symptoms and going to hospitals
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5. Hospitals being inundated and workforce being overwhelmed
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6. People with more life threatening care issues getting subpar care due to overwhelmed staff (you're seeing this in China already)
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7. Many more non-corona related deaths


So no... it's not something overwhelming right now... but it could manifest in that direction if we aren't vigilant. Am I personally afraid of it as a young, healthy, 31 year old? No. But I did tell my parents in their 60's to be careful.

Right, but 'creating a panic' isn't helpful to any of that.

Here locally, there are ads saying... if you think you have it, DO NOT go to the ER. CALL your physician

And if you are a person without a physician?

Get one

You think it's that simple if you are uninsured currently?

(03-09-2020 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:43 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So I actually had a sit down conversation today with a neuroimmunologist and we discussed this. Her fear is less so about the dangers of the virus (because it manifests much the same as the common flu) and more about:

1. Longer incubation time
-->
2. More people getting sick without realizing it
-->
3. Spreading it faster
-->
4. More people getting the flu-like symptoms and going to hospitals
-->
5. Hospitals being inundated and workforce being overwhelmed
-->
6. People with more life threatening care issues getting subpar care due to overwhelmed staff (you're seeing this in China already)
-->
7. Many more non-corona related deaths


So no... it's not something overwhelming right now... but it could manifest in that direction if we aren't vigilant. Am I personally afraid of it as a young, healthy, 31 year old? No. But I did tell my parents in their 60's to be careful.

Right, but 'creating a panic' isn't helpful to any of that.

Here locally, there are ads saying... if you think you have it, DO NOT go to the ER. CALL your physician

And if you are a person without a physician?

Get one

You think it's that simple if you are uninsured currently?

Ummmm. The ACA made it that everyone was to have health insurance or be heavily fined. You mean to tell me a tax didn’t ensure every get insurance?

(03-09-2020 01:58 PM)Kronke Wrote:  A lot of coping and optimism bias in this thread.

I don't think anybody knows enough to make declarations either way. But right now, in the U.S., the tendency by the public seems to be to panic, and the media isn't helping that, at all.

Buying up masks you don't need, price gouging hand sanitizer, certain peeps politicizing it, cancelling major events, everybody wanting to telecommute, etc. It's all making things worse, not better.

I think the danger could absolutely be significant, and we need to take all the necessary steps to deal with it, but not overreact and panic everybody. Right now, the freaking flu kills up to 60-80K in bad years, so we need some perspective here.

What people need to do is wash their hands, don't cough on folks, don't go to work sick, wear a mask but only if you're sick, etc. If you are over 60 or have a compromised immune system, then don't choose to go to crowded places.

I'm in the latter category, so I have canceled all my planned travel for the time being, which was a good bit.

But if you're under 60 and healthy, just take the normal precautions. In fact, the virus seems to have a lesser effect on children so far, which is a good thing.

Not sure how all that translates to optimistic coping, lol. Just the situation as I see it. We all have opinions.

Here. Dr. Oz says it better than I can:

With nearly 500 cases reported across the United States, according to information gathered by Fox News, and at least 21 deaths related to the novel coronavirus, Dr. Mehmet Oz, host of the “Dr. Oz Show,” on Monday offered up his tips on how to protect yourself against the virus.

Speaking on “Fox & Friends” on Monday, Dr. Oz provided this coronavirus survival guide:

* Wash your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds and use hand sanitizer with at least 60 percent alcohol.

* Disinfect surfaces by using disinfectant sprays instead of wipes, which can spread germs from one surface to another. It is advised to let the surface remain wet for three minutes prior to drying.

* Get at least seven hours of sleep a night.

* Exercise regularly, aiming for 30 minutes every other day.

* Improve your air quality by using a humidifier because viruses dislike humid air.

* When you are on an airplane, sit next to the window: “It’s better for you because that germ zone is that little limited area,” which includes the row before and after you, he noted. “The air that comes in from outside is actually pretty clean."

* Meditate because that can support your immune system.

* Avoid handshakes. Dr. Oz said handshaking transfers 10 times more germs than fist-bumping, but he also discouraged fist-bumping. “A fist bump passes one-tenth the germs as a firm handshake,” Dr. Oz said on Monday. He encouraged people to “embrace the power of a good head nod.”

* Eliminate face touching.

* It is encouraged to have a two-week supply of essential items, including freezer-friendly food items and non-perishable foods, medications and household supplies, including toilet paper, soap and detergent.

* Eat foods and take vitamins that support the immune system. Eating leafy greens and fruits high in vitamins like citruses, blackberries, and kiwi provide your body with essential vitamins and minerals.

* Get the flu shot to avoid confusing seasonal flu with COVID-19.

* If you are sick, take 80 milligrams of zinc daily, 250 milligrams of vitamin C twice daily, 250 milligrams of beta-glucan daily and take elderberry syrup or lozenges four times a day for five days.

Dr. Oz said that these tips are good things to follow in general, even when there is no virus outbreak.

He went on to say that he doesn't believe self-quarantines are effective.

"Do you know what works? Social distancing," he told the "Fox & Friends" hosts on Monday. "Me sitting at arm's length from you. Not shaking hands like when I walked out here. These moves actually work.”

He added, “I think we’re causing more harm to each other with the anxiety of the virus than the actual virus.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-ozs-cor...ival-guide

(03-09-2020 02:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So I actually had a sit down conversation today with a neuroimmunologist and we discussed this. Her fear is less so about the dangers of the virus (because it manifests much the same as the common flu) and more about:

1. Longer incubation time
-->
2. More people getting sick without realizing it
-->
3. Spreading it faster
-->
4. More people getting the flu-like symptoms and going to hospitals
-->
5. Hospitals being inundated and workforce being overwhelmed
-->
6. People with more life threatening care issues getting subpar care due to overwhelmed staff (you're seeing this in China already)
-->
7. Many more non-corona related deaths


So no... it's not something overwhelming right now... but it could manifest in that direction if we aren't vigilant. Am I personally afraid of it as a young, healthy, 31 year old? No. But I did tell my parents in their 60's to be careful.

Right, but 'creating a panic' isn't helpful to any of that.

Here locally, there are ads saying... if you think you have it, DO NOT go to the ER. CALL your physician

And if you are a person without a physician?

Lol

A. Why? are you that person?

B. Just go show up?

Tell me who’s agonna turn you away?!?




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(03-09-2020 10:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:33 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:22 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 02:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  So I actually had a sit down conversation today with a neuroimmunologist and we discussed this. Her fear is less so about the dangers of the virus (because it manifests much the same as the common flu) and more about:

1. Longer incubation time
-->
2. More people getting sick without realizing it
-->
3. Spreading it faster
-->
4. More people getting the flu-like symptoms and going to hospitals
-->
5. Hospitals being inundated and workforce being overwhelmed
-->
6. People with more life threatening care issues getting subpar care due to overwhelmed staff (you're seeing this in China already)
-->
7. Many more non-corona related deaths


So no... it's not something overwhelming right now... but it could manifest in that direction if we aren't vigilant. Am I personally afraid of it as a young, healthy, 31 year old? No. But I did tell my parents in their 60's to be careful.

Right, but 'creating a panic' isn't helpful to any of that.

Here locally, there are ads saying... if you think you have it, DO NOT go to the ER. CALL your physician

And if you are a person without a physician?

Lol

A. Why? are you that person?

B. Just go show up?

Tell me who’s agonna turn you away?!?




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A physician office might.

If you dont have insurance and there are no options at all for the uninsured, which I find hard to believe in Greenville, then go to urgent care

I'll say it again.. The socialist experiment known as the ACA aka Obamacare, which was monitored by the IRS, was to ensure everyone got health insurance or they were fined...

Many here talked about how great it was...

But yet we have a poster saying you can't get a PCP because you don't have health insurance..

So remind me again, how can you not get health insurance if the socialist program was so great..

(03-09-2020 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You think it's that simple if you are uninsured currently?

Sort of. The Nurse On Call services I mentioned are free...... and many places now have very reasonably priced 'teledoc' services (all I've seen are under $50) where you actually facetime with a provider who will tell you what to do.

(03-09-2020 10:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  B. Just go show up?

Tell me who’s agonna turn you away?!?




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Do NOT 'just show up' at a physicians office if you think you have Corona symptoms. This is the absolute worst thing you can do... because lots of the others there have long-term issues that are being managed and you WILL compromise them

And ABSOLUTELY a PCP office WILL turn you away so that you don't infect their other patients, plus you can't pay for their services. Only Emergency Room,Life Saving services are guaranteed to all.

(03-10-2020 09:26 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You think it's that simple if you are uninsured currently?

Sort of. The Nurse On Call services I mentioned are free...... and many places now have very reasonably priced 'teledoc' services (all I've seen are under $50) where you actually facetime with a provider who will tell you what to do.

(03-09-2020 10:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  B. Just go show up?

Tell me who’s agonna turn you away?!?




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Do NOT 'just show up' at a physicians office if you think you have Corona symptoms. This is the absolute worst thing you can do... because lots of the others there have long-term issues that are being managed and you WILL compromise them

And ABSOLUTELY a PCP office WILL turn you away so that you don't infect their other patients, plus you can't pay for their services. Only Emergency Room,Life Saving services are guaranteed to all.

I'm not asking in any kind of condescending way but has it been pushed out there widely that there are free options to call if you think you might have symptoms?

And also yes a PCP will send you away if you have no insurance and no ability to pay, and it's dangerous as hell for everyone else there.

(03-10-2020 10:16 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 09:26 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 03:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You think it's that simple if you are uninsured currently?

Sort of. The Nurse On Call services I mentioned are free...... and many places now have very reasonably priced 'teledoc' services (all I've seen are under $50) where you actually facetime with a provider who will tell you what to do.

(03-09-2020 10:54 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  B. Just go show up?

Tell me who’s agonna turn you away?!?




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Do NOT 'just show up' at a physicians office if you think you have Corona symptoms. This is the absolute worst thing you can do... because lots of the others there have long-term issues that are being managed and you WILL compromise them

And ABSOLUTELY a PCP office WILL turn you away so that you don't infect their other patients, plus you can't pay for their services. Only Emergency Room,Life Saving services are guaranteed to all.

I'm not asking in any kind of condescending way but has it been pushed out there widely that there are free options to call if you think you might have symptoms?

And also yes a PCP will send you away if you have no insurance and no ability to pay, and it's dangerous as hell for everyone else there.

But why wouldn't they have insurance.. Obamacare was supposed to take care of it....

(03-10-2020 10:16 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm not asking in any kind of condescending way but has it been pushed out there widely that there are free options to call if you think you might have symptoms?

I've seen thousands of ads for NOC and Teledoc services... they help hospital systems allocate respurces and capture business... I find though that people rarely pay attention until they need something, and then it's someone else's fault for not letting them know when they need it.

Note that these aren't free options for care... they are merely free/low cost options for getting professional medical advice on how to proceed without compromising everyone else, including what to do if you don't have insurance.

(03-10-2020 10:53 AM)gdunn Wrote:  But why wouldn't they have insurance.. Obamacare was supposed to take care of it....

I can't address the unusual circumstances that might impact a relatively small number of people... so I simply accept that there is 'someone' in this small sliver for whom this might apply.

More likely, it's someone who hasn't covered their deductible yet and can't afford the deductible... maybe because they make too much and have made poor allocations of their resources, or maybe because their state doesn't cover (as an example) healthy 28 yr old single males through Medicaid... which is why i said, if the ACA was supposed to solve the problems it claimed to, it would have expaneded Medicare, not Medicaid... and let Medicaid help with the copays for the poor.