A player for Juventus has tested positive. Juventus is the best soccer team in Italy. The club of Cristiano Ronaldo.

WTF is going on at this OKC game?

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

If Fred Hoiberg has it then the NCAA tournament is over

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

Very good points, but we sure do love drama. I mean, the media sure does love reporting drama and inflaming the masses. The people that are dying from this "new flu" fit the same profile of the people that die from regular ol' garden variety influenza.

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

I get my numbers from the WHO.

As of 6 hours ago, there were 121,568 known cases in the world.

In 66,810+ of the cases the virus runs its course and they recovered.

In the other 4,385 concluded cases, the patient died.

There are another 50,373 known active cases where the virus has not run its course. Even if 100% of those remaining cases resulted in the patient recovering it would still be a 3.6% mortality rate.

It is NOT likely that the mortality rate among the 50,373 of the remaining known cases will be any different than the 71,195+ cases which have run its course. Which should result in 3,306 more deaths among that 50,373

7,691/121,568=0.0632 Convert that to % you get 6.3%.

As far as the number of flu cases. CDC report.




Unlike you I NEVER pull numbers out of my ass I verify and then double verify before posting.



Also from March 10th to March 11th, there were 41 new cases that brought the US number to 1,016 cases. Of which 15 have recovered, that number has not changed from the 10th to the 11th. There was 1 additional death on the 11th which brought the total to 31 deaths.

So in 36 cases in the US which had run its course, 31 died 15 recovered.

(03-12-2020 02:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

I get my numbers from the WHO.

As of 6 hours ago, there were 121,568 known cases in the world.

In 66,810+ of the cases the virus runs its course and they recovered.

In the other 4,385 concluded cases, the patient died.

There are another 50,373 known active cases where the virus has not run its course. Even if 100% of those remaining cases resulted in the patient recovering it would still be a 3.6% mortality rate.

It is NOT likely that the mortality rate among the 50,373 of the remaining known cases will be any different than the 71,195+ cases which have run its course. Which should result in 3,306 more deaths among that 50,373

7,691/121,568=0.0632 Convert that to % you get 6.3%.

As far as the number of flu cases. CDC report.




Unlike you I NEVER pull numbers out of my ass I verify and then double verify before posting.



Also from March 10th to March 11th, there were 41 new cases that brought the US number to 1,016 cases. Of which 15 have recovered, that number has not changed from the 10th to the 11th. There was 1 additional death on the 11th which brought the total to 31 deaths.

So in 36 cases in the US which had run its course, 31 died 15 recovered.

Updated US number since yesterday's post.

1281 cases, 15 recovered 38 died. Both the number of cases and deaths have increased since the 10th but the number of recovered has not.

So far today NASCAR has announced that the Atlanta race will be held with no fans in the stands and next week's race in Miami will be postponed due to concerns with the coronavirus outbreak.

On a side note IMSA announced the postponement of the 12 Hours of Sebring, but not due to health concerns in the US with the corona outbreak. They postponed it due to the fact that certain groups from Europe could not get to the US for the race. Despite the fact that almost all of the cars, drivers, and fans are in the US ready to go.

(03-12-2020 04:58 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 05:05 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  OMG! When they cancel these tournaments due to flu... or H1N1... or any other health scare that are actually MUCH worse, then I will be shocked.

This is just ridiculous.

They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

I get my numbers from the WHO.

As of 6 hours ago, there were 121,568 known cases in the world.

In 66,810+ of the cases the virus runs its course and they recovered.

In the other 4,385 concluded cases, the patient died.

There are another 50,373 known active cases where the virus has not run its course. Even if 100% of those remaining cases resulted in the patient recovering it would still be a 3.6% mortality rate.

It is NOT likely that the mortality rate among the 50,373 of the remaining known cases will be any different than the 71,195+ cases which have run its course. Which should result in 3,306 more deaths among that 50,373

7,691/121,568=0.0632 Convert that to % you get 6.3%.

As far as the number of flu cases. CDC report.




Unlike you I NEVER pull numbers out of my ass I verify and then double verify before posting.



Also from March 10th to March 11th, there were 41 new cases that brought the US number to 1,016 cases. Of which 15 have recovered, that number has not changed from the 10th to the 11th. There was 1 additional death on the 11th which brought the total to 31 deaths.

So in 36 cases in the US which had run its course, 31 died 15 recovered.

Updated US number since yesterday's post.

1281 cases, 15 recovered 38 died. Both the number of cases and deaths have increased since the 10th but the number of recovered has not.

Sorry, but in the WORLD the average age of death is 80!

In more than 70% of the world the average life expectancy isn't anywhere close to 80. Do you realize how stupid it is to let panic set in about how bad this is going to be. H1N1 had a higher spread rate and started off with a much higher mortality rate. Nobody shut down everything because of it.

H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

(03-12-2020 02:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

But there were already 1,000 US deaths before the Obama administration took proper steps to combat the outbreak.

(03-12-2020 02:51 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

But there were already 1,000 US deaths before the Obama administration took proper steps to combat the outbreak.

Irrelevant, and possibly even a worse statement of apathy towards the deaths, football season didn't stop because of the national emergency declaration. Concerts weren't stopped, large gatherings weren't banned. Even if you are correct, that means more than 11,000 happened after the national emergency announcement.

(03-12-2020 06:04 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:51 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

But there were already 1,000 US deaths before the Obama administration took proper steps to combat the outbreak.

Irrelevant, and possibly even a worse statement of apathy towards the deaths, football season didn't stop because of the national emergency declaration. Concerts weren't stopped, large gatherings weren't banned. Even if you are correct, that means more than 11,000 happened after the national emergency announcement.

Because the H1N1 virus had already spread widely in the US and was not contained. So there was no reason to cancel games and such in an attempt to contain the virus. Current actions are an attempt to keep the coronavirus contained so it will not spread as widely as H1N1 did.

(03-12-2020 02:21 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 04:58 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 09:35 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  They are trying to restrict the spread by eliminating large gatherings. So far the spread has been slowed by quarantines. But if the spread ever reaches the same level of cases as say the flu the death rate in the US could reach in the millions.

There is no uniform quarantine for the flu in the US so people go about their daily lives infecting others to the point we have between 9 million and 45 million cases each year. And between 11,000 and 61,000 deaths.

But if we had between 9 million and 45 million corona cases in the US we could see between 450,000 and 2.5 million deaths. To put that in proper perspective annual we have right at 2.7 million death from all causes combined.

I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

I get my numbers from the WHO.

As of 6 hours ago, there were 121,568 known cases in the world.

In 66,810+ of the cases the virus runs its course and they recovered.

In the other 4,385 concluded cases, the patient died.

There are another 50,373 known active cases where the virus has not run its course. Even if 100% of those remaining cases resulted in the patient recovering it would still be a 3.6% mortality rate.

It is NOT likely that the mortality rate among the 50,373 of the remaining known cases will be any different than the 71,195+ cases which have run its course. Which should result in 3,306 more deaths among that 50,373

7,691/121,568=0.0632 Convert that to % you get 6.3%.

As far as the number of flu cases. CDC report.




Unlike you I NEVER pull numbers out of my ass I verify and then double verify before posting.



Also from March 10th to March 11th, there were 41 new cases that brought the US number to 1,016 cases. Of which 15 have recovered, that number has not changed from the 10th to the 11th. There was 1 additional death on the 11th which brought the total to 31 deaths.

So in 36 cases in the US which had run its course, 31 died 15 recovered.

Updated US number since yesterday's post.

1281 cases, 15 recovered 38 died. Both the number of cases and deaths have increased since the 10th but the number of recovered has not.

Sorry, but in the WORLD the average age of death is 80!

In more than 70% of the world the average life expectancy isn't anywhere close to 80. Do you realize how stupid it is to let panic set in about how bad this is going to be. H1N1 had a higher spread rate and started off with a much higher mortality rate. Nobody shut down everything because of it.

Please site your stats that the average age of Death is 80...

You keep repeating it yet you have yet to quote a source. I think you are mistaken.

So the basis of your entire argument seems flawed.

I cannot copy the actual numbers of death by age chart (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...crisis)...

But deaths 80+ = 208
Deaths 70-79 = 312
Deaths 60-69 = 309
Deaths 50-59 = 130

So unless there were a bunch of 235 year old people that died no way the average age of death is 80

(03-13-2020 09:35 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:21 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 04:58 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:03 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 10:42 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  I don't know where you pull your numbers from, other than out of your ass.

You have zero proper perspective when you post crap like that. Nobody is predicting that C19 will have a .5% mortality rate, becuase as cases are diagnosed especially in younger and healthier people that rate will plummet.

H1N1 had a higher mortality rate, from the beginning. There were between 43 and 89 million H1N1 cases in a one year period in the US alone. Around 274,000 hospitalizations resulted with an estimated 20,000 deaths in the US. With those infection numbers, I remember them cancelling schools, sporting events, concerts, and..... wait, no, they didn't.

I get my numbers from the WHO.

As of 6 hours ago, there were 121,568 known cases in the world.

In 66,810+ of the cases the virus runs its course and they recovered.

In the other 4,385 concluded cases, the patient died.

There are another 50,373 known active cases where the virus has not run its course. Even if 100% of those remaining cases resulted in the patient recovering it would still be a 3.6% mortality rate.

It is NOT likely that the mortality rate among the 50,373 of the remaining known cases will be any different than the 71,195+ cases which have run its course. Which should result in 3,306 more deaths among that 50,373

7,691/121,568=0.0632 Convert that to % you get 6.3%.

As far as the number of flu cases. CDC report.




Unlike you I NEVER pull numbers out of my ass I verify and then double verify before posting.



Also from March 10th to March 11th, there were 41 new cases that brought the US number to 1,016 cases. Of which 15 have recovered, that number has not changed from the 10th to the 11th. There was 1 additional death on the 11th which brought the total to 31 deaths.

So in 36 cases in the US which had run its course, 31 died 15 recovered.

Updated US number since yesterday's post.

1281 cases, 15 recovered 38 died. Both the number of cases and deaths have increased since the 10th but the number of recovered has not.

Sorry, but in the WORLD the average age of death is 80!

In more than 70% of the world the average life expectancy isn't anywhere close to 80. Do you realize how stupid it is to let panic set in about how bad this is going to be. H1N1 had a higher spread rate and started off with a much higher mortality rate. Nobody shut down everything because of it.

Please site your stats that the average age of Death is 80...

You keep repeating it yet you have yet to quote a source. I think you are mistaken.

So the basis of your entire argument seems flawed.

I cannot copy the actual numbers of death by age chart (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...crisis)...

But deaths 80+ = 208
Deaths 70-79 = 312
Deaths 60-69 = 309
Deaths 50-59 = 130

So unless there were a bunch of 235 year old people that died no way the average age of death is 80

Heart disease and Diabetes also increase the chances of death from Corona. The US has some 30.4 million people who suffer from diabetes and 130 million who suffer from heart disease. So age is not the only key factor.

Please site your stats that the average age of Death is 80...

You keep repeating it yet you have yet to quote a source. I think you are mistaken.

So the basis of your entire argument seems flawed.

I cannot copy the actual numbers of death by age chart (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...crisis)...

But deaths 80+ = 208
Deaths 70-79 = 312
Deaths 60-69 = 309
Deaths 50-59 = 130

So unless there were a bunch of 235 year old people that died no way the average age of death is 80
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My figure is for the US and is being widely used by CDC and CNN. You do realize that in the US, most deaths were in Washington and from a single nursing home?

But, even with your figures, that would push the average would still be 66 if everyone in those age groups were the lowest possible age. Using the midrange of ages. It was be in the mid 70's. And that's worldwide, which is actually above the world life expectancy average.

(03-13-2020 01:08 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-13-2020 09:35 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Please site your stats that the average age of Death is 80...

You keep repeating it yet you have yet to quote a source. I think you are mistaken.

So the basis of your entire argument seems flawed.

I cannot copy the actual numbers of death by age chart (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...crisis)...

But deaths 80+ = 208
Deaths 70-79 = 312
Deaths 60-69 = 309
Deaths 50-59 = 130

So unless there were a bunch of 235 year old people that died no way the average age of death is 80

My figure is for the US and is being widely used by CDC and CNN. You do realize that in the US, most deaths were in Washington and from a single nursing home?

But, even with your figures, that would push the average would still be 66 if everyone in those age groups were the lowest possible age. Using the midrange of ages. It was be in the mid 70's. And that's worldwide, which is actually above the world life expectancy average.

Once you listed CNN your argument lost all validity. While Washington was the original hotbed we have seen 41 deaths in the US spread across 7 different states and several states outside of Washington have multiple deaths.

(03-12-2020 06:04 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:51 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

But there were already 1,000 US deaths before the Obama administration took proper steps to combat the outbreak.

Irrelevant, and possibly even a worse statement of apathy towards the deaths, football season didn't stop because of the national emergency declaration. Concerts weren't stopped, large gatherings weren't banned. Even if you are correct, that means more than 11,000 happened after the national emergency announcement.

Are you arguing that not enough was done in response to the H1N1 pandemic or too much is being done in response to the cornonavirus pandemic?

(03-13-2020 02:50 PM)tiger tiger Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 06:04 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:51 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-12-2020 02:37 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  H1N1 was declared a global pandemic in June 2009 by the World Health Organization (WHO) and was finally over in August 2010.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu.

Timeline:
April 24, 2009 - The CDC issues an outbreak notice warning travelers of an increased health risk of swine flu in Central Mexico and Mexico City.
April 26, 2009 - The United States declares a public health emergency as cases of swine flu increase.
April 27, 2009 - World Health Organization (WHO) raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 4, which means that there has been human-to-human transmission of the virus.
April 29, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 5, indicating sustained community-level outbreaks in two or more countries within the same region.
June 11, 2009 - WHO raises the influenza pandemic alert to a level 6. The outbreak is now being considered a global pandemic.
October 24, 2009 - US President Barack Obama declares the H1N1 outbreak a national emergency.

During that whole epidemic, can you recount how many sporting events were canceled?

But there were already 1,000 US deaths before the Obama administration took proper steps to combat the outbreak.

Irrelevant, and possibly even a worse statement of apathy towards the deaths, football season didn't stop because of the national emergency declaration. Concerts weren't stopped, large gatherings weren't banned. Even if you are correct, that means more than 11,000 happened after the national emergency announcement.

Are you arguing that not enough was done in response to the H1N1 pandemic or too much is being done in response to the cornonavirus pandemic?

The response came too late in the process during the H1N1 outbreak. Trump declared a national emergency which now allows him to use emergency funding to battle the outbreak. And it gets around the politics that Pelosi was playing when she tried to add $1 billion to fund abortions in the Corona response bill. It took Obama 6 months to declare a national emergency. Such a delay allowed the H1N1 to gain a foothold and spread widely throughout the US.