Boogie is pretty good now but will probably show the most improvement next year

He can create a ****

Harris and Lomax are simply good solid players, not quite at that level, but have been huge in a helluva lot of games

Baugh has regressed, not sure if the hand is the issue

I love this team next year, but like every team in the nation, adding an older transfer would still be nice

(03-08-2020 10:44 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Boogie is pretty good now but will probably show the most improvement next year

He can create a ****

Harris and Lomax are simply good solid players, not quite at that level, but have been huge in a helluva lot of games

Baugh has regressed, not sure if the hand is the issue

I love this team next year, but like every team in the nation, adding an older transfer would still be nice

Hey Mimi, are you accidentally slipping an "i" in for an "o" in the word "shot"? I've noticed it in a couple of your posts here tonight....

(03-08-2020 10:30 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Lomax's turnover rate increased this year from 1.7 to around 2.5 per game;

Harris' turnover rate decreased from 1.7 to around 1.45.

Baugh has a pretty bad turnover rate.

I expect these to get better next year. I am optimistic that they will. My bigger concern next year is losing Precious this year. He was a stud this year.

Lomax plays about 5 minutes more per game this year than he did last year

Harris plays about 5 minutes less per game than last year

I am not suggesting they don’t need to work on turnovers, but the turnover changes seem related to the more or fewer minutes played

Even with all but Precious back next year, turnovers will still be higher based on style of play. But for the season if they can cut back 2-3 per game that is a huge difference. Apply that to this season and instead of 21-10 they are probably 24-7

And with all of them being better at other areas, and with DJ older and not missing half the season, I like it, a lot

(03-08-2020 10:30 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Lomax's turnover rate increased this year from 1.7 to around 2.5 per game;

Harris' turnover rate decreased from 1.7 to around 1.45.

Baugh has a pretty bad turnover rate.

I expect these to get better next year. I am optimistic that they will. My bigger concern next year is losing Precious this year. He was a stud this year.

Lomax plays more minutes and is the primary ball handler when he is in the game now. Of course he turns the ball over more now. And of course he has more assists. Lomax has improved greatly for what he is being asked to do now.

Tyler plays 5 less minutes a game but is also asked to do more but his assists have not gone up...He actually averaged 2x as many assists last year.

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The number 1 problem is Turn Overs. I think I saw where the Tigers are 11th in the NCAA in TO. (16.8) This Team is very young and will get better. GO TIGERS!

Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

(03-08-2020 04:37 PM)Hoots Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 04:08 PM)Irish Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 03:41 PM)Keeper Wrote:  On defense! Talented players do not turn the ball over this often on offense. Either they or not talented or they are badly coached. You can have it both ways, but I believe they are just not very talented. Penny may be able to coach them up in a year or two, but the transfer portal may just be a god send for the Tiger program.

Unbelievable

Agreed. This team has its issues on offense, and it gets frustrating to watch, but they get after it on defense. And that will always give us a chance to win. I was encouraged by today's game. Houston is a tough place to play, and we gave ourselves a chance to win. I didn't expect that. Everything now is a neutral court, and I'm confident we'll do well in the AAC.

The statement that we're either not talented or badly coached is ridiculous. These guys are talented, and well-coached. I believe that now more than ever. Penny has done a fantastic job with this team. Coaches have said it, commentators have said it. Unfortunate that some in the fan base don't understand it.

You are absolutely correct my fellow Tiger fan! Very well said my friend! +3

(03-08-2020 09:05 PM)Tiger_Lurch Wrote:  9 more off rebs and 9 less TOs... That's 18 possessions more for UH. That was the difference plain and simple.

Absolutely!

(03-08-2020 10:44 PM)Mimi Wrote:  He can create a ****

Heck, give me a nice steak and I can do that too

(03-08-2020 03:41 PM)Keeper Wrote:  On defense! Talented players do not turn the ball over this often on offense. Either they or not talented or they are badly coached. You can have it both ways, but I believe they are just not very talented. Penny may be able to coach them up in a year or two, but the transfer portal may just be a god send for the Tiger program.

Some of our psycho fans using the transfer portal would be a godsend for our program.

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The number 1 problem is Turn Overs. I think I saw where the Tigers are 11th in the NCAA in TO. (16.8) This Team is very young and will get better. GO TIGERS!

Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The number 1 problem is Turn Overs. I think I saw where the Tigers are 11th in the NCAA in TO. (16.8) This Team is very young and will get better. GO TIGERS!

Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

(03-10-2020 01:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The number 1 problem is Turn Overs. I think I saw where the Tigers are 11th in the NCAA in TO. (16.8) This Team is very young and will get better. GO TIGERS!

Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

(03-10-2020 04:53 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 01:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  The number 1 problem is Turn Overs. I think I saw where the Tigers are 11th in the NCAA in TO. (16.8) This Team is very young and will get better. GO TIGERS!

Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

Does anyone keep stats on failure to block out? Absent that I'd wager taller players get more rebounds than shorter players, especially against UH who sends 5 guys to the boards every play. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds with Alo & Harris on the floor most of the game. Draw your on conclusions.

(03-10-2020 06:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 04:53 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 01:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 08:52 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Add UH's huge margin in offensive rebounds giving 2nd shots & it's unbelievable it was as close & competitive as it was.

It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

Does anyone keep stats on failure to block out? Absent that I'd wager taller players get more rebounds than shorter players, especially against UH who sends 5 guys to the boards every play. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds with Alo & Harris on the floor most of the game. Draw your on conclusions.

FYI...In order to be factual and keep everyone honest...

When Alo and Harris were in the game together (25 possessions) the teams defensive rebounding % was 78.5% (3 offensive vs 11 defensive)

Without Lomax only the defensive rebounding percentage was 60% (10 off. vs 15 def)

Without Harris only the defensive rebounding was 57.7% (8 off. vs 16 def)

Without Lomax and Harris defensive rebounding was 55.6% (16 off vs. 20 def)

This game had some weird stats...Wouldnt have guessed this one either.

Lineups with Lance were the worst 51.2% (13 off vs 14 def)

Yeah, the narrative about "short" guards costing us in every possible way is non-factual. A-lo is a really good rebounding guard. And Tyler picks up some garbage on effort.

The problem is that without JW and DJ, you're left with Precious (awesome rebounder), Lance, Isaiah, and a bunch of guards. And Lance & Isaiah are just not good rebounders for their position/size.

^yeah ALo does excel in rebounding as a guard.

(03-10-2020 07:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 06:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 04:53 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 01:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 06:02 AM)ItsDude Wrote:  It's not a shocker that you get pounded on the boards when you are consistently playing 5'8 and 5'9 guards together.

Seems obvious enough......

how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

Does anyone keep stats on failure to block out? Absent that I'd wager taller players get more rebounds than shorter players, especially against UH who sends 5 guys to the boards every play. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds with Alo & Harris on the floor most of the game. Draw your on conclusions.

FYI...In order to be factual and keep everyone honest...

When Alo and Harris were in the game together (25 possessions) the teams defensive rebounding % was 78.5% (3 offensive vs 11 defensive)

Without Lomax only the defensive rebounding percentage was 60% (10 off. vs 15 def)

Without Harris only the defensive rebounding was 57.7% (8 off. vs 16 def)

Without Lomax and Harris defensive rebounding was 55.6% (16 off vs. 20 def)

This game had some weird stats...Wouldnt have guessed this one either.

Lineups with Lance were the worst 51.2% (13 off vs 14 def)

Trying to understand if your stats translate directly to Alo & Harris being better rebounders. Seems it could mean that UH was just better at making their first shots with Alo & Harris in the game.

(03-11-2020 08:41 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 07:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 06:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 04:53 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 01:06 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems obvious enough......

how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

Does anyone keep stats on failure to block out? Absent that I'd wager taller players get more rebounds than shorter players, especially against UH who sends 5 guys to the boards every play. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds with Alo & Harris on the floor most of the game. Draw your on conclusions.

FYI...In order to be factual and keep everyone honest...

When Alo and Harris were in the game together (25 possessions) the teams defensive rebounding % was 78.5% (3 offensive vs 11 defensive)

Without Lomax only the defensive rebounding percentage was 60% (10 off. vs 15 def)

Without Harris only the defensive rebounding was 57.7% (8 off. vs 16 def)

Without Lomax and Harris defensive rebounding was 55.6% (16 off vs. 20 def)

This game had some weird stats...Wouldnt have guessed this one either.

Lineups with Lance were the worst 51.2% (13 off vs 14 def)

Trying to understand if your stats translate directly to Alo & Harris being better rebounders. Seems it could mean that UH was just better at making their first shots with Alo & Harris in the game.

Alo and Harris were -3 when they were in the game together.

We lost by 7 so them together were better than the average of every other lineup. But hey...Keep on pushing your agenda.

Seems you have changed your argument...You implied that Alo and Harris were the reason for giving up 17 offensive rebounds when only 3 offensive rebounds were given up with them on the floor.

You lose credibility when you want to hold on to an argument even when shown you were wrong with this game. Overall you may have a point...But not in this game.

It's a horrible thing when perception is crashed by reality.

Atlanta has a perception and he will hammer that round peg into a square hole to justify that perception.

We weren't outrebounded because we played Harris and ALo "too much". That is a fact. I will bet that fact hold up in a lot more games than it doesn't. But, that last sentence is just an opinion. I will freely admit it.

(03-11-2020 09:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-11-2020 08:41 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 07:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 06:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-10-2020 04:53 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  how many rebounds are ALo and Harris supposed to get? How many rebounds are they giving up?

I did find it interesting that BOTH of them got more rebounds that Thomas. In fact in 8 more minutes, ALo and Harris got more rebounds that Thomas, Maurice and Malco combined. I don't think it was all on our guards getting outrebounded.

Guess maybe what you think is obvious and what is reality are slightly different.

Does anyone keep stats on failure to block out? Absent that I'd wager taller players get more rebounds than shorter players, especially against UH who sends 5 guys to the boards every play. We gave up 17 offensive rebounds with Alo & Harris on the floor most of the game. Draw your on conclusions.

FYI...In order to be factual and keep everyone honest...

When Alo and Harris were in the game together (25 possessions) the teams defensive rebounding % was 78.5% (3 offensive vs 11 defensive)

Without Lomax only the defensive rebounding percentage was 60% (10 off. vs 15 def)

Without Harris only the defensive rebounding was 57.7% (8 off. vs 16 def)

Without Lomax and Harris defensive rebounding was 55.6% (16 off vs. 20 def)

This game had some weird stats...Wouldnt have guessed this one either.

Lineups with Lance were the worst 51.2% (13 off vs 14 def)

Trying to understand if your stats translate directly to Alo & Harris being better rebounders. Seems it could mean that UH was just better at making their first shots with Alo & Harris in the game.

Alo and Harris were -3 when they were in the game together.

We lost by 7 so them together were better than the average of every other lineup. But hey...Keep on pushing your agenda.

Seems you have changed your argument...You implied that Alo and Harris were the reason for giving up 17 offensive rebounds when only 3 offensive rebounds were given up with them on the floor.

You lose credibility when you want to hold on to an argument even when shown you were wrong with this game. Overall you may have a point...But not in this game.

No argument one way or another, but I think you are generalizing the application of stats to push an agenda when watching the games clearly shows that our guard play is weak (not one vote for any all-conference team either). And when playing a team like UH, it is glaringly obvious where their guards/perimeter players (Grimes, Hinton particularly & Sasser & Miles in the first game) killed us with their offense & their team 17 offensive team rebounds - and caused 17 Memphis TOs. And of course you'll continue to defend our Memphis grown guards & use stats that aren't directly applicable to defend them despite the fact that we have had weak guard play all year and they contributed to it.