(03-07-2020 11:20 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  Whatever you think of his coaching job he is one of us and bleeds purple. So I say this in all sincerity...

Thank you for being a true Duke. I wish you best of luck going forward and hope you always feel welcome as a fellow alumni.

+10
He was given an opportunity like many other assistants around the D1 Bball. Just like others it just didn't pan out. I can see him landing another D1 assistant job and spotting good talent next year.

Best of luck, Coach. You'll always be one of us.

Go Dukes.

(03-09-2020 09:03 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  He gone.
http://jmusports.com/news/2020/3/9/james...coach.aspx

I see that Jim Miller, former AD at Richmond, is one of their consultants at the search firm- Collegiate Sports Associates. Who is it on our board that loathes him? I don't even remember the reasons.

(03-09-2020 09:30 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:03 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  He gone.
http://jmusports.com/news/2020/3/9/james...coach.aspx

I see that Jim Miller, former AD at Richmond, is one of their consultants at the search firm- Collegiate Sports Associates. Who is it on our board that loathes him? I don't even remember the reasons.

HyperDuke. Because he is an alcoholic (so Hyper attests) and screwed with the MRDS.

G-G-G-GONE!

Best of luck to Lou. Like everyone, wish it could have worked out for him and JMU.

(03-09-2020 09:32 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:30 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:03 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  He gone.
http://jmusports.com/news/2020/3/9/james...coach.aspx

I see that Jim Miller, former AD at Richmond, is one of their consultants at the search firm- Collegiate Sports Associates. Who is it on our board that loathes him? I don't even remember the reasons.

HyperDuke. Because he is an alcoholic (so Hyper attests) and screwed with the MRDS.

lol this Hyper post is gonna be GOOD I feel it.

As they say, hindsight is 20-20. I was not upset over the initial hiring of Lou Rowe. Obviously the record did not pan out. However, everyone who has met Lou Rowe personally goes out of their way to sing his praises as a man. The level of passion these insiders showed for Rowe's success says a lot about him and how well he represented the university.

At the end of the day, that means an awful lot and I wish Lou the best of luck going forward. I was proud to have him represent. The team is a reflection of Lou and the values he promoted. The praise heaped upon the the players' character made me proud as a fellow Duke and it has meaning in my book.. Thanks Lou

Loved the player, hated the hire. He was a member of the '94 NCAA team that beat ODU at the buzzer in the CAA final. Phenomenal player and a gentleman. Wish it had worked out but figured it wouldn't. Hate to be right.

(03-09-2020 09:51 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:32 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:30 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 09:03 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  He gone.
http://jmusports.com/news/2020/3/9/james...coach.aspx

I see that Jim Miller, former AD at Richmond, is one of their consultants at the search firm- Collegiate Sports Associates. Who is it on our board that loathes him? I don't even remember the reasons.

HyperDuke. Because he is an alcoholic (so Hyper attests) and screwed with the MRDS.

lol this Hyper post is gonna be GOOD I feel it.

He was beyond drunk at the 2006 game @ Richmond. Turned out the stadium lights on the MRDs in the middle of their postgame performance. Wish we wouldn't shovel money toward people like him. But I also wish we wouldn't put the acronym UVA on our basketball court.

While I am glad JMU made the right decision, today is not a happy day. I am not happy that an alum that was a really good guy lost his job. However, he just wasn't adequately prepared to be the head coach of a Div I program.
But he will be fine. He's a tough guy and I honestly do wish him the best.

Is this the same Jim Miller that committed to Bourne that Richmond would not leave the CAA one week prior to announcing they were going to the A10?

Yes. Except this one is drunker.

Obvious points- Lou Rowe failed as a coach, Lou Rowe is a good man and a bleeds purple- but let's dig a little deeper on why he didn't succeed. Some will say he wasn't equipped for the job in the first place and that is a very fair point. I think the hope was that he would grow into the role and clearly he didn't.

IMO here is what limited Lou most and if he ever gets another shot to be a head coach (I think that may be doubtful given his track record) these are things he'll have to solve for.

- Recruiting- I give Lou a B or B minus all told. Sure there were some misses and some transfers but likely less than other programs have. There were some nice recruiting wins and some local recruits as well. Lou came up short on a few players and positions who could have helped the team- the ones that come to mind for me are The PG who went to Penn State, the guard who went to Marshall, the big who went to South Carolina. While Lou made a concerted effort to recruit and build via 4 year players- the wing who went to UCF and the d2 big PG who wound up at Winthrop come to mind as guys we were in on but didn't get. Also a big miss was with grad transfers- many teams employ them effectively. We never had one other than Cam Smith who didn't see the floor. Bottom line he didn't recruit bigs or Pgs or enough shooters, a lot of interchangeable wings and while he had some success bringing in athletic kids he didn't have enough to compensate for the lacking in other areas.

- Coaching philosophy/style- I think he had a way that he wanted to play- I'm just not convinced it's a winning style especially given the personnel. One example- how many times did we switch on defense only to give up an easy bucket. I saw a few instances of that in just the Elon game (season ender) where Banks or Harvey was switched on the big European guy. That is a philosophical decision. Maybe if you are Florida State or the old VCU teams you can do that but with JMU's personnel you couldn't and it was exposed.

- Coaching demeanor- tough to change someone's personality and hard to argue that Lou's players didn't love him but he wasn't tough enough on them and didn't hold them accountable for decisions on the court enough. I think the fire that he lacked some of the players he recruited lacked as well. All great people and great kids but this team and staff needed a little more A hole at times if you know what I'm saying.

- Scheduling- hate to knit pick but I think in the last two years JMU played so so/un even in the OOC only to experience long losing streaks in a middle of the road CAA conference. By years 3-4 they should have challenged themselves more in the OOC and maybe it would have served them better in the conference schedule.

(03-09-2020 10:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  - Coaching demeanor- tough to change someone's personality and hard to argue that Lou's players didn't love him but he wasn't tough enough on them and didn't hold them accountable for decisions on the court enough. I think the fire that he lacked some of the players he recruited lacked as well. All great people and great kids but this team and staff needed a little more A hole at times if you know what I'm saying.

I agree here. Lou is a great guy. Great coaches are usually a-holes. See: Coach K, Dean Smith. Even Phil Jackson and Pop would/will psychologically manipulate players, even if they aren't yelling at them.

(03-10-2020 12:24 PM)Dukes94 Wrote:  

(03-09-2020 10:29 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  - Coaching demeanor- tough to change someone's personality and hard to argue that Lou's players didn't love him but he wasn't tough enough on them and didn't hold them accountable for decisions on the court enough. I think the fire that he lacked some of the players he recruited lacked as well. All great people and great kids but this team and staff needed a little more A hole at times if you know what I'm saying.

I agree here. Lou is a great guy. Great coaches are usually a-holes. See: Coach K, Dean Smith. Even Phil Jackson and Pop would/will psychologically manipulate players, even if they aren't yelling at them.

I've always thought a huge part of being a great leader in sports, whether as a coach or a teammate or whatever, is knowing which people need to be screamed at and which ones are already beating themselves up and need to be picked up when they're down... I think coaches, athletes, etc. that are really good at that are pretty rare and usually just go all one way or the other with it and if it's going to be one or the other the a-hole usually seems to work much better than the coach that's everybody's friend.

Mettlen stating that LR will be paid the remainder of his contract via private resources.

Lou Rowe to USF.

Good hire. Lou is a good assistant and recruiter.

Lou is an excellent Robin. Great for him.

(07-08-2021 10:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Good hire. Lou is a good assistant and recruiter.

I think he could become a good HC one day. He just wasn’t ready and prepared for that step. Hope he does well.