(03-08-2020 05:02 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:56 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:45 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 02:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 02:38 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  any compensation talk is ridiculous. everyone got their money’s worth.

Would there not be outcry if a music festival continued to tout its main act to sell tickets and recruit other bands, all the while knowing behind the scenes that the main act was likely not going to play? Sure the other acts played hard and the show was entertaining, but it was false advertising.

Maybe we didn’t know until November. Maybe there is not more to Wiseman transferring to East freaking High School from Ensworth (a move that makes no logical sense). I get the feeling that, when the gaps in this saga are filled in by the investigation, we may be redirecting the anger that’s currently aimed at the NCAA towards Penny and the athletic program.

Not sure I follow that argument. You can't say that its shady that Wiseman transferred to East, and then say that the incentive offered by Penny was to pay their moving expenses. Wiseman and/or the whole family would have to have had some incentive to move. If there is evidence of some other incentive being provided, then I would agree with your last statement.

some other incentive?

His sister moved to Memphis, the family wanted to join her. There isn't a grand conspiracy. There WAS a viable reason that had nothing to do with his basketball career and his future at the University of Memphis.

Child goes off to college. A family which can't afford moving expenses to another city decides it Must move to where the child goes to college...
Yet the golden child son is getting a free private school education and you don't have to uproot the family and borrow money.

Social Services should have investigated the sanity of such a family - this is not the focus issue of NCAA, however, in asking for fairness (Equity), there is an Equitable maxim:
Those seeking Equity (fairness) must do so with Clean Hands.

A reasonable, prudent man could reasonably ask these people selling this argument to wash their hands.

Smelly

(03-08-2020 06:05 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:02 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:56 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:45 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 02:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Would there not be outcry if a music festival continued to tout its main act to sell tickets and recruit other bands, all the while knowing behind the scenes that the main act was likely not going to play? Sure the other acts played hard and the show was entertaining, but it was false advertising.

Maybe we didn’t know until November. Maybe there is not more to Wiseman transferring to East freaking High School from Ensworth (a move that makes no logical sense). I get the feeling that, when the gaps in this saga are filled in by the investigation, we may be redirecting the anger that’s currently aimed at the NCAA towards Penny and the athletic program.

Not sure I follow that argument. You can't say that its shady that Wiseman transferred to East, and then say that the incentive offered by Penny was to pay their moving expenses. Wiseman and/or the whole family would have to have had some incentive to move. If there is evidence of some other incentive being provided, then I would agree with your last statement.

some other incentive?

His sister moved to Memphis, the family wanted to join her. There isn't a grand conspiracy. There WAS a viable reason that had nothing to do with his basketball career and his future at the University of Memphis.

Child goes off to college. A family which can't afford moving expenses to another city decides it Must move to where the child goes to college...
Yet the golden child son is getting a free private school education and you don't have to uproot the family and borrow money.

Social Services should have investigated the sanity of such a family - this is not the focus issue of NCAA, however, in asking for fairness (Equity), there is an Equitable maxim:
Those seeking Equity (fairness) must do so with Clean Hands.

A reasonable, prudent man could reasonably ask these people selling this argument to wash their hands.

Smelly

(03-08-2020 06:09 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 06:05 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 05:02 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:56 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:45 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  Not sure I follow that argument. You can't say that its shady that Wiseman transferred to East, and then say that the incentive offered by Penny was to pay their moving expenses. Wiseman and/or the whole family would have to have had some incentive to move. If there is evidence of some other incentive being provided, then I would agree with your last statement.

some other incentive?

His sister moved to Memphis, the family wanted to join her. There isn't a grand conspiracy. There WAS a viable reason that had nothing to do with his basketball career and his future at the University of Memphis.

Child goes off to college. A family which can't afford moving expenses to another city decides it Must move to where the child goes to college...
Yet the golden child son is getting a free private school education and you don't have to uproot the family and borrow money.

Social Services should have investigated the sanity of such a family - this is not the focus issue of NCAA, however, in asking for fairness (Equity), there is an Equitable maxim:
Those seeking Equity (fairness) must do so with Clean Hands.

A reasonable, prudent man could reasonably ask these people selling this argument to wash their hands.

Smelly

The man who referred to Rex Dockery's widowed wife as Walleye Dockery lamely attempts to be cute again.

Have a KFC donut chicken sandwich

I think most here see the NCAA as the authority and they as the authority tell us what we can do and can't do.

I don't think that's how they see it. They seem themselves as club presidents... not as authority figures.

I think the NCAA would say that we; (Memphis) is apart of a group of schools who have all agreed to play by certain rules. It's a club as it where. Kind of like a volunteer club; Kiwanis or a fraternity or rotary. The NCAA doesn't tell us that a player can or can't play. They tell us he probably can or can't play and the NCAA relies on our judgement to make the right call.

Like most clubs there are the cool kids and the uncool kids and there are rejects and renegades. Clubs ebb and flow; based on economic and social forces; on time and... other stuff.

So they might pinch us a little. But not too much. The club we are in has larger issues.

So because they won't kick us out. They can't. They can't shut us down. And 10 years from now; we'll compete for another NC title or worst final 4. Our cycle is every 20 years or so we make a big time run at it. And that's not going to change.

(03-07-2020 07:16 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Is it not worrisome that Ballin and the school have been completely mum on this rather than righteously indignant? Why did that fire disappear so suddenly? If what I said above is true, why not try to win this through the media/court of public opinion? Something isn’t adding up.

We basically lined up for a fight, slapped the bully in the face, and then immediately cowered and begged for mercy

Uh, no, it is not worrisome.
They are under strict gag orders, both self-imposed and from the NCAA.
They dropped the TRO because they were under the impression they had an agreeable settlement forthcoming from the NCAA.

(03-08-2020 05:02 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:56 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(03-08-2020 01:45 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 02:57 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 02:38 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  any compensation talk is ridiculous. everyone got their money’s worth.

Would there not be outcry if a music festival continued to tout its main act to sell tickets and recruit other bands, all the while knowing behind the scenes that the main act was likely not going to play? Sure the other acts played hard and the show was entertaining, but it was false advertising.

Maybe we didn’t know until November. Maybe there is not more to Wiseman transferring to East freaking High School from Ensworth (a move that makes no logical sense). I get the feeling that, when the gaps in this saga are filled in by the investigation, we may be redirecting the anger that’s currently aimed at the NCAA towards Penny and the athletic program.

Not sure I follow that argument. You can't say that its shady that Wiseman transferred to East, and then say that the incentive offered by Penny was to pay their moving expenses. Wiseman and/or the whole family would have to have had some incentive to move. If there is evidence of some other incentive being provided, then I would agree with your last statement.

some other incentive?

His sister moved to Memphis, the family wanted to join her. There isn't a grand conspiracy. There WAS a viable reason that had nothing to do with his basketball career and his future at the University of Memphis.

That is the public story that the Penny and the University of Memphis want told.

You can't seriously believe that.

Is it possible that it is true...Absolutely...Is it probable...I don't think so.

(03-07-2020 11:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  The NCAA is governed by the University Presidents. They can at any time change any bylaws they want to change.

Someone saying the NCAA this or the NCAA that - they are only the arm that follows up on the bylaws.

The finger should be pointing at the Presidents of the Universities - they control everything the NCAA does period.

That's a rather naive outlook.

Rules are setup by member institutions, sure. The Infractions Committee is an "independent" group who decides when rules are broken. Eligibility is determined by another group. And punishment by someone else.

University Presidents didn't waffle on JW's eligibility.
University Presidents didn't decide to take some bylaws and connect them with a 12-year old donation, and a 2-year old payment to attend a certain HIGH SCHOOL.
University Presidents didn't decide to issue a 12-game suspension.
University Presidents didn't decide to continue to pursue a case after the player played 3 games (even though the NCAA had agreed that he could indeed play 16 games).

You want to point a finger at University Presidents for not allowing transfers or compensation, fine. But in this case, this is not coming from Presidents.

(03-08-2020 06:05 PM)mccarverslawyer Wrote:  Social Services should have investigated the sanity of such a family

That is an idiotic statement.