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Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.
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They deny it and then go as far to call out the investigation committee as liars (in a nice, legal, wordy way...). Will they get the book thrown at them for their documented transgressions? Probably not. But, if this new group does it's own investigating to ferret out some details that KU says are all lies, they have no appeal to fall back on if it blows up in their face.

If there is any justice at all, they would be getting the hammer.
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I think the way Kansas, Memphis, LSU and Auburn get treated will tell everyone every thing we need to know
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Memphis will not be treated on the same level as KS, LSU & Auburn. Those teams will be held to a less rigid standard. Is what it is. Sad, but expect it to go this way.
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Kansas denies any wrongdoing. That should be enough for the NCAA...right?
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(03-05-2020 11:26 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tball-team

Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.

The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."
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(03-06-2020 08:09 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 11:26 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tball-team

Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.

The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."

My understanding is that this was not "referred" to the IARP by the infractions committee but rather that we requested the IARP handle it instead of the infractions committee. IMO that is a pretty major distinction.
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(03-06-2020 08:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:09 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 11:26 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tball-team

Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.

The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."

My understanding is that this was not "referred" to the IARP by the infractions committee but rather that we requested the IARP handle it instead of the infractions committee. IMO that is a pretty major distinction.

Not correct.
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(03-06-2020 07:35 AM)stripey Wrote:  Kansas denies any wrongdoing. That should be enough for the NCAA...right?

It was enough in 2008 when Darrel Arthur's grades were changed. Kansas made a statement saying that they knew nothing about it and they considered the case closed.

Our dream team of Shirley, RC and Lippman chose a slightly different, slightly less effective approach. Lippman became the only representative of a school in NCAA history to get tricked into agreeing that a player was hypothetically ineligible, even though there was no proof and the player hadn't even been interviewed.
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(03-06-2020 08:52 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 07:35 AM)stripey Wrote:  Kansas denies any wrongdoing. That should be enough for the NCAA...right?

It was enough in 2008 when Darrel Arthur's grades were changed. Kansas made a statement saying that they knew nothing about it and they considered the case closed.

Our dream team of Shirley, RC and Lippman chose a slightly different, slightly less effective approach. Lippman became the only representative of a school in NCAA history to get tricked into agreeing that a player was hypothetically ineligible, even though there was no proof and the player hadn't even been interviewed.

Yep. That was the weakest bunch of folks we could have possibly sent to present our case. I didn't understand it then and I still don't understand it to this day. I would have hired the biggest hotshot lawyer I could find to protect the school.
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(03-06-2020 12:12 AM)cmt Wrote:  I think the way Kansas, Memphis, LSU and Auburn get treated will tell everyone every thing we need to know

Memphis will not get the same treatment as these other 3. ESPN $$$ will see to that.
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Do people forget that Silvio De Sousa sat out a whole year waiting on the NCAA? That was for accepting $2,500.

Enes Katner and Hamidu Diallo both were ineligible their freshman year at UK.

The NCAA is inconsistent, but they don't necessarily give those schools a pass.

We will be punished for playing an ineligible player. So would any other school.
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(03-06-2020 09:13 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Do people forget that Silvio De Sousa sat out a whole year waiting on the NCAA? That was for accepting $2,500.

Enes Katner and Hamidu Diallo both were ineligible their freshman year at UK.

The NCAA is inconsistent, but they don't necessarily give those schools a pass.

We will be punished for playing an ineligible player. So would any other school.

You get punished for choosing to play an ineligible player...

We didn't choose to play Wiseman the courts compelled us to do so.

Two entirely different things.
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(03-06-2020 08:44 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:09 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 11:26 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tball-team

Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.

The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."

My understanding is that this was not "referred" to the IARP by the infractions committee but rather that we requested the IARP handle it instead of the infractions committee. IMO that is a pretty major distinction.

Not correct.

Based on what? The ESPN article? Everything that came out yesterday seemed pretty clear that Memphis had requested this be turned over to the IARP. Perhaps, that was incorrect but where are you getting the information that the NCAA infractions committee referred this to the IARP?
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(03-06-2020 09:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:44 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:09 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-05-2020 11:26 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...tball-team

Looks like Memphis will have some company awaiting a ruling from the NCAA’s independent accountability committee. Of course Kansas denies it committed any violation and that it’s coach was totally unaware of any cheating. That’s might be surprising to those who were convicted by a jury of wrongdoing.

The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."

My understanding is that this was not "referred" to the IARP by the infractions committee but rather that we requested the IARP handle it instead of the infractions committee. IMO that is a pretty major distinction.

Not correct.

Based on what? The ESPN article? Everything that came out yesterday seemed pretty clear that Memphis had requested this be turned over to the IARP. Perhaps, that was incorrect but where are you getting the information that the NCAA infractions committee referred this to the IARP?

The main place people were getting the narrative that Memphis requested this was from an incorrect AP News article that has since been corrected. See here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...111394172/

FROM THIS:

"The NCAA announced Wednesday that the school’s request to have the infraction case resolved through the Independent Accountability Resolution Process had been granted.

Memphis issued a statement saying the university had been made aware that the case had been referred to the new independent investigation arm."

TO THIS:

"The NCAA announced Wednesday that Memphis' infraction case was referred to the Independent Accountability Resolution Process. This will be the first known case to be handled by the IARP.

The University of Memphis released a statement acknowledging its case had been referred to the IARP."
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(03-06-2020 09:28 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 09:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:44 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 08:09 AM)3usersonline Wrote:  The Independent Accountability Resolution Process is set-up to handle select complex infractions cases.

Dating back to investigations and allegations that started in 2018, Kansas' case - which involves a federal investigation, wire tipes, shoe company ties, multiple alleged payments, a Late Night in the Phog event that spit in the face of the NCAA and a 300+ page response from the school - has not been referred to the IARP YET.

As of today, it will be handled by the normal NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions. Of course that could change. But today, almost two years after their investigations and allegations jump-started, they are still going through a back-and-forth with the normal infractions committee.

Starting in late October/early November 2019 (5 months ago), Memphis' case involving a single, admitted payment to a student athlete (JW) by a coach (PH) prior to his hiring at Memphis and a court order to keep the SA eligible was almost immediately referred to the IARP.

Y'all know where this is headed. Because, well, it's "complex."

My understanding is that this was not "referred" to the IARP by the infractions committee but rather that we requested the IARP handle it instead of the infractions committee. IMO that is a pretty major distinction.

Not correct.

Based on what? The ESPN article? Everything that came out yesterday seemed pretty clear that Memphis had requested this be turned over to the IARP. Perhaps, that was incorrect but where are you getting the information that the NCAA infractions committee referred this to the IARP?

The main place people were getting the narrative that Memphis requested this was from an incorrect AP News article that has since been corrected. See here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...111394172/

FROM THIS:

"The NCAA announced Wednesday that the school’s request to have the infraction case resolved through the Independent Accountability Resolution Process had been granted.

Memphis issued a statement saying the university had been made aware that the case had been referred to the new independent investigation arm."

TO THIS:

"The NCAA announced Wednesday that Memphis' infraction case was referred to the Independent Accountability Resolution Process. This will be the first known case to be handled by the IARP.

The University of Memphis released a statement acknowledging its case had been referred to the IARP."

That really does not clear anything up though. Was it referred by the infractions committee because they did not want to handle it or was it referred at Memphis' request.
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Memphis' request.
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(03-06-2020 09:19 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 09:13 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Do people forget that Silvio De Sousa sat out a whole year waiting on the NCAA? That was for accepting $2,500.

Enes Katner and Hamidu Diallo both were ineligible their freshman year at UK.

The NCAA is inconsistent, but they don't necessarily give those schools a pass.

We will be punished for playing an ineligible player. So would any other school.

You get punished for choosing to play an ineligible player...

We didn't choose to play Wiseman the courts compelled us to do so.

Two entirely different things.

The courts "compelled" us to play him? Did the courts also tell us how many minutes per game to play him? Just because the court issued an injunction doesn't mean the coach had to actually put him in the game. That was a decision, a choice, made by the administration and coaching staff...it had nothing to do with the courts.
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It says the school's request has been granted, how much clearer can that be
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(03-06-2020 09:13 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Do people forget that Silvio De Sousa sat out a whole year waiting on the NCAA? That was for accepting $2,500.

Enes Katner and Hamidu Diallo both were ineligible their freshman year at UK.

The NCAA is inconsistent, but they don't necessarily give those schools a pass.

We will be punished for playing an ineligible player. So would any other school.

This is how they win, somehow you believe, though inconsistent, the NCAA is fair. They got you. The NCAA is not fair, their inconsistency hides their unfairness.

There will always be an anecdotal example of a big guy getting punished, but when you look at the body of work, Jerry Tarkanian said it best,“The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation.”
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