(03-05-2020 04:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Really? A politician drinking a beer to seem relateable is something to demonize her over? There are a thousand worse things done by a thousand other candidates. Talk about shifted standards.
Using a false heritage narrative to further your career... fine, have at her.
Using a false discrimination narrative to further your campaign... fine, have at her.
But drinking a beer? If you've criticized other candidates for doing something similar, post away a link and shut me up. Otherwise... what a weirdly lame and specific reason to mock a candidate. It's comments like that that have her base fired up over different standards for different candidates.
Get outta here. I'm not a Trump supporter. I just think she's fake, and that's another example. She asked her husband if he would like a beer, and it was apparent he was surprised, lol. And she stuck her face right up in the camera to suck that beer.
Without all the other things she has lied about, I would never think that, but...she has obviously lied about her resume a lot. Context.
I simply dislike fake people, especially politicians.
Plus, it's my freaking opinion. If I posted every time I disagreed with one of your opinions here, I would have to hire a secretary.
Well MY "freaking opinion" is that is an incredibly lame thing to attack her for. Glad that's settled.
(03-05-2020 04:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Really? A politician drinking a beer to seem relateable is something to demonize her over? There are a thousand worse things done by a thousand other candidates. Talk about shifted standards.
Using a false heritage narrative to further your career... fine, have at her.
Using a false discrimination narrative to further your campaign... fine, have at her.
But drinking a beer? If you've criticized other candidates for doing something similar, post away a link and shut me up. Otherwise... what a weirdly lame and specific reason to mock a candidate. It's comments like that that have her base fired up over different standards for different candidates.
Get outta here. I'm not a Trump supporter. I just think she's fake, and that's another example. She asked her husband if he would like a beer, and it was apparent he was surprised, lol. And she stuck her face right up in the camera to suck that beer.
Without all the other things she has lied about, I would never think that, but...she has obviously lied about her resume a lot. Context.
I simply dislike fake people, especially politicians.
Plus, it's my freaking opinion. If I posted every time I disagreed with one of your opinions here, I would have to hire a secretary.
Well MY "freaking opinion" is that is an incredibly lame thing to attack her for. Glad that's settled.
Yeah, well, you wrapped it in "different standards for different candidates." Bullsh!t. I hate both parties and dislike almost all the candidates. Kneejerk reaction on your part, without proof, b/c you just assumed I'm the enemy, and challenged me to dig up posts disproving my bias.
So don't bother me. I'm busy interviewing candidates for a secretary position now.
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2020 04:26 PM by TripleA.)
(03-05-2020 04:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Really? A politician drinking a beer to seem relateable is something to demonize her over? There are a thousand worse things done by a thousand other candidates. Talk about shifted standards.
Using a false heritage narrative to further your career... fine, have at her.
Using a false discrimination narrative to further your campaign... fine, have at her.
But drinking a beer? If you've criticized other candidates for doing something similar, post away a link and shut me up. Otherwise... what a weirdly lame and specific reason to mock a candidate. It's comments like that that have her base fired up over different standards for different candidates.
Get outta here. I'm not a Trump supporter. I just think she's fake, and that's another example. She asked her husband if he would like a beer, and it was apparent he was surprised, lol. And she stuck her face right up in the camera to suck that beer.
Without all the other things she has lied about, I would never think that, but...she has obviously lied about her resume a lot. Context.
I simply dislike fake people, especially politicians.
Plus, it's my freaking opinion. If I posted every time I disagreed with one of your opinions here, I would have to hire a secretary.
Well MY "freaking opinion" is that is an incredibly lame thing to attack her for. Glad that's settled.
Yeah, well, you wrapped it in "different standards for different candidates." Bullsh!t. I hate both parties and dislike almost all the candidates. Kneejerk reaction on your part, without proof, b/c you just assumed I'm the enemy, and challenged me to dig up posts disproving my bias.
So don't bother me. I'm busy interviewing candidates for a secretary position now.
I invited you to prove me wrong... I guess those posts criticizing other candidates for similar trivial **** aren't there.
(03-05-2020 03:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: So now we will get to see with nowhere for Slow Joe to hide can he be on a debate stage for 2 hours without wetting himself? I have the odds very low. The moderators will try to help him as much as possible, but he's gonna have to talk for a few minutes at a time off script and he can't do that.
You know, I don't think it matters. Peeps who are likely to vote for Joe will do so, as long as he makes fog when he speaks into a mirror. The whole world already knows he is gaffe prone.
Just like Trump supporters overlook his tendency to swat flies with cannons, and call everything the best, biggest, most super duper...
It absolutely does matter. If his vote was so ingrained and locked in he wouldn't have started out 4th, 5th, and then a way distant second after polling in first or second in all those states for a year. He got helped by 2 debates in a row where he barely spoke, the last of which everyone tried to knife Bernie, got the Clyburn endorsement (which in SC might matter more than an Obama endorsement) and got the boost of everyone rallying around him before Super Tuesday. There's a reason why national polls have shifted like 20 points in the last week, because Dem voters aside from the Bernie base are not locked in for anyone. He's also at this point a lot more than just "gaffe prone" he's a time bomb that's going to explode in what in any other circumstances would be very sad fashion.
Everything about Warren's campaign was phony as hell, from the commercials to her public appearances. Her 3rd place finish in Mass proves such. The only time she ever seemed somewhat genuine was her speech today outside her home, ending her campaign.
Unlike Bernie she actually had some sort of plan/explanation to go with her progressive ideas, but Bernie came across far more genuine. Being yourself goes a long way. Just ask Trump.
(03-05-2020 04:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: the Clyburn endorsement (which in SC might matter more than an Obama endorsement)
In a South Carolina Democrat statewide primary, I think Clyburn’s endorsement is worth a week’s worth of personal appearances and campaign speeches by Obama.
Quote:[Biden] at this point a lot more than just "gaffe prone" he's a time bomb that's going to explode in what in any other circumstances would be very sad fashion.
If Biden becomes POTUS at age 78, the 25th Amendment is going to become a prime topic of political conversation for the next four years. Some people have tried to make that a thing with Trump, but they haven’t had any success because — like him or not — Trump is all there. Biden is not all there and if he gets the nomination, people are going to start noticing that in a way that they really haven’t so far. Democrats should beware, but I doubt they will be.
(03-05-2020 04:50 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: If Biden becomes POTUS at age 78, the 25th Amendment is going to become a prime topic of political conversation for the next four years. Some people have tried to make that a thing with Trump, but they haven’t had any success because — like him or not — Trump is all there. Biden is not all there and if he gets the nomination, people are going to start noticing that in a way that they really haven’t so far. Democrats should beware, but I doubt they will be.
At this point, their option is Bernie. Do they really have a chance to worry about it too much? What I find bizarre is that they have spent four years telling us how much they hated Trump, and this is what they come up with as an alternative.
(03-05-2020 04:29 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: the Clyburn endorsement (which in SC might matter more than an Obama endorsement)
In a South Carolina Democrat statewide primary, I think Clyburn’s endorsement is worth a week’s worth of personal appearances and campaign speeches by Obama.
Quote:[Biden] at this point a lot more than just "gaffe prone" he's a time bomb that's going to explode in what in any other circumstances would be very sad fashion.
If Biden becomes POTUS at age 78, the 25th Amendment is going to become a prime topic of political conversation for the next four years. Some people have tried to make that a thing with Trump, but they haven’t had any success because — like him or not — Trump is all there. Biden is not all there and if he gets the nomination, people are going to start noticing that in a way that they really haven’t so far. Democrats should beware, but I doubt they will be.
Oh the DNC has clearly not taken his mental decline seriously enough. They've pinned all their stop Bernie hopes on him and boy that's not a gamble I'd have wanted to take. Obviously the moderators will prop him up as much as possible, and hell they'll probably give him the questions in advance a la Hillary, but I doubt he can remember them if they do.
(03-05-2020 04:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Oh the DNC has clearly not taken his mental decline seriously enough. They've pinned all their stop Bernie hopes on him and boy that's not a gamble I'd have wanted to take. Obviously the moderators will prop him up as much as possible, and hell they'll probably give him the questions in advance a la Hillary, but I doubt he can remember them if they do.
Can you imagine the consternation when the moderators give Biden a question and he blurts out, "Hey, you can't ask that, you didn't tell us"?
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2020 05:06 PM by Owl 69/70/75.)
(03-05-2020 03:55 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: So now we will get to see with nowhere for Slow Joe to hide can he be on a debate stage for 2 hours without wetting himself? I have the odds very low. The moderators will try to help him as much as possible, but he's gonna have to talk for a few minutes at a time off script and he can't do that.
You know, I don't think it matters. Peeps who are likely to vote for Joe will do so, as long as he makes fog when he speaks into a mirror. The whole world already knows he is gaffe prone.
Just like Trump supporters overlook his tendency to swat flies with cannons, and call everything the best, biggest, most super duper...
It absolutely does matter. If his vote was so ingrained and locked in he wouldn't have started out 4th, 5th, and then a way distant second after polling in first or second in all those states for a year. He got helped by 2 debates in a row where he barely spoke, the last of which everyone tried to knife Bernie, got the Clyburn endorsement (which in SC might matter more than an Obama endorsement) and got the boost of everyone rallying around him before Super Tuesday. There's a reason why national polls have shifted like 20 points in the last week, because Dem voters aside from the Bernie base are not locked in for anyone. He's also at this point a lot more than just "gaffe prone" he's a time bomb that's going to explode in what in any other circumstances would be very sad fashion.
You think it matters b/c you want it to matter vs. Bernie.
If you look at the results to date, it has been about a 40-60 split for Dems between the Bernie-Liz wing vs. the perceived more "moderate" wing. That really hasn't changed much. The real difference is Pete and Klob dropped out, and now Bloomie, and they all are endorsing Biden, so that 60% is coalescing behind him.
Same thing will happen in the general election, assuming Biden beats out Bernie. Peeps who hate Trump will vote for Biden as long as he isn't officially declared actually dead, regardless of debate performance.
(03-05-2020 04:08 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Really? A politician drinking a beer to seem relateable is something to demonize her over? There are a thousand worse things done by a thousand other candidates. Talk about shifted standards.
Using a false heritage narrative to further your career... fine, have at her.
Using a false discrimination narrative to further your campaign... fine, have at her.
But drinking a beer? If you've criticized other candidates for doing something similar, post away a link and shut me up. Otherwise... what a weirdly lame and specific reason to mock a candidate. It's comments like that that have her base fired up over different standards for different candidates.
Get outta here. I'm not a Trump supporter. I just think she's fake, and that's another example. She asked her husband if he would like a beer, and it was apparent he was surprised, lol. And she stuck her face right up in the camera to suck that beer.
Without all the other things she has lied about, I would never think that, but...she has obviously lied about her resume a lot. Context.
I simply dislike fake people, especially politicians.
Plus, it's my freaking opinion. If I posted every time I disagreed with one of your opinions here, I would have to hire a secretary.
Well MY "freaking opinion" is that is an incredibly lame thing to attack her for. Glad that's settled.
Yeah, well, you wrapped it in "different standards for different candidates." Bullsh!t. I hate both parties and dislike almost all the candidates. Kneejerk reaction on your part, without proof, b/c you just assumed I'm the enemy, and challenged me to dig up posts disproving my bias.
So don't bother me. I'm busy interviewing candidates for a secretary position now.
I invited you to prove me wrong... I guess those posts criticizing other candidates for similar trivial **** aren't there.
You just had a kneejerk reaction that I was prejudiced against Warren, b/c that's the defense mechanism for party wonks like you.
I don't give a damn about party. I simply comment about fake politicians, among lots of other things, on both sides, and right now, the Dem party happens to be a target rich environment. That's not my fault, lol.
I have criticized Trump's personality quite a bit here, and been blasted for it, but somehow I don't remember you calling me out for that.
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2020 06:05 PM by TripleA.)
(03-05-2020 06:05 PM)450bench Wrote: Warren is and was an unelectable poser. She's a true blue phony.
Yeah, but somehow, it's out of bounds to call her out for that fake little video she put out trying to look like a good 'ol boy with the beer, when she obviously startled her husband by asking him if he wanted one.
I bet neither one of them ever drank a beer at home before.
Wine, champagne maybe, whatever. But the beer drinking just came across as plastic. Especially in the context of all her other lies and changing stories.
(03-05-2020 04:56 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: Oh the DNC has clearly not taken his mental decline seriously enough. They've pinned all their stop Bernie hopes on him and boy that's not a gamble I'd have wanted to take. Obviously the moderators will prop him up as much as possible, and hell they'll probably give him the questions in advance a la Hillary, but I doubt he can remember them if they do.
Can you imagine the consternation when the moderators give Biden a question and he blurts out, "Hey, you can't ask that, you didn't tell us"?
The key for Bernie is he has to do decent enough Tuesday to still be within spitting distance come the next debate. Then we see how bad his mental decline actually is. Maybe they hop him up on enough Adderall or something that he gets through it with just the average # of Biden bad moments, and if so he'll almost certainly win. His support is soft, they are only there because they care about "electability" not any single thing he actually wants to do (which he's made clear is pretty much nothing but not be Trump). Consistently exit polls have shown voters overwhelmingly care more about who they perceive can beat Trump than who they actually agree with on ideology. That's a great thing if he can just look like a person operating with at least 80% mental function. It's a nightmare for him and the establishment if he looks as bad as I think he's going to.
This is coming to a debate stage very very soon.
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2020 07:17 PM by b0ndsj0ns.)
Compare that Biden to this Biden from the 08 campaign. It's honestly sad it's not the same person and it's genuinely awful what those in charge of his campaign are doing to him just to stop Bernie.
If the Democrats powers that be wanted to win instead of merely controlling the process, they would have gotten Biden out long ago. The money people have been behind everyone but him. Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Sanders all doing better fund-raising. But the powers that be keep pushing Biden in the MSM and attacking Sanders.
If I was a Democrat the least offensive person that I would hope the DNC would get behind (not like Bite'em does) would be Klobuchar. Yes, she is a socialist too even though she wouldn't admit it and she did have some outlandish ideas which aren't any different than the rest of the commie wannabes so why wasn't she a likable person to the DNC? In my opinion, she was far left too but not as far left. At least she had the courage to say no to Socialism even though her platform resembled it a lot.
Klobuchar had the potential to be the kind of candidate that Trump wouldn’t know how to attack. She didn’t have any obvious “oh, sh¡t” liabilities that would potentially disqualify a lot of the others. She represents a constituency that has a genuine, functioning 2-party political system. So right off the bat, she is ahead of Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Sanders, Warren, and Kamala Harris. She has been a prosecutor in the Twin Cities region, so at least has some concept of the impact crime has on urban America. She is 59 (60 this year) so is not too-old or too-young. Her ideological views are Left but not more Left than the typical Democrat.
Really, the only warning sign that I ever saw against her was that she treated her staff like sh¡t. That’s the sort of thing that can wreck a campaign if it happens to the wrong person at the wrong time. But on the other hand, it’s all back-stage stuff that the public doesn’t care about unless it spills over into full view.
But for whatever reason, the Dem-primary voters in Iowa-NH-Nevada-SC just weren’t feeling it. And so now we have Biden and Sanders. Okay.
(This post was last modified: 03-05-2020 10:59 PM by Native Georgian.)
(03-05-2020 10:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote: Klobuchar had the potential to be the kind of candidate that Trump wouldn’t know how to attack. She didn’t have any obvious “oh, sh¡t” liabilities that would potentially disqualify a lot of the others. She represents a constituency that has a genuine, functioning 2-party political system. So right off the bat, she is ahead of Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Sanders, Warren, and Kamala Harris. She has been a prosecutor in the Twin Cities region, so at least has some concept of the impact crime has on urban America. She is 59 (60 this year) so is not too-old or too-young. Her ideological views are Left but not more Left than the typical Democrat.
Really, the only warning sign that I ever saw against her was that she treated her staff like sh¡t. That’s the sort of thing that can wreck a campaign if it happens to the wrong person at the wrong time. But on the other hand, it’s all back-stage stuff that the public doesn’t care about unless it spills over into full view.
But for whatever reason, the Dem-primary voters in Iowa-NH-Nevada-SC just weren’t feeling it. And so now we have Biden and Sanders. Okay.
The problem for her was the last 2, and the problem there is she made absolutely zero inroads with any minority groups. If every state had the demographics of Iowa and NH I think she probably would have continued to rally. She absolutely was a better candidate than CIA Pete, and would have been a tougher attack, but you can't win the Dem Primary if you have zero minority support it's just the reality. Bernie isn't gonna be able to win it despite doing great with Hispanics if he continues getting these number with the black community, and he's pulling like 10x the numbers there Klob was.
(This post was last modified: 03-06-2020 08:22 AM by b0ndsj0ns.)
With this, the two that I found absolutely least acceptable--Fauxcohontas and Kamala the Slut--are now out of it. Before you go claiming that I'm some sort of sexist or racist, consider that the two I found least UNacceptable were Klobuchar and Tulsi.
