I'm known to take a shot at Notre Dame every now and then, but this is silly.

NBC gives them a deal because they're a nationally known product and the network considers it a worthy ROI. That's between those 2 parties. I'm sure there are other networks that would love to have the content.

Secondly, why would Notre Dame hire a black coach for the purpose of mistreating a black coach? That seems like a monumental waste of time and money to hire a guy so you can fire him "too soon" later.

Personally, I think economics will force Notre Dame to join a football league at some point in the future in order to keep pace with revenues, but we're still a ways off. Even then, it will have nothing to do with whether they deserve an independent contract or not.

(03-07-2020 03:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

Not quite the run of those two, but ND is on a a 23-3 run the past two seasons and a 33-6 run the past three years.

It also has 4 double digit win seasons in the past five years.

It had two undefeated seasons in 2012 and 2018, netting them a national championship game and a playoff appearances.

So, the reports of ND's death or terminal decline are greatly exaggerated.

Well not even close to the runs of those. Notre Dame's unbeaten seasons ended in embarrassment in the playoffs, as expected by pretty much everyone (they just weren't an impressive unbeaten). Ohio St. has 2 titles to go with 2 runnerups and probably easily the best W/L record since the beginning of the BCS era (I know they did in the 00s, a little ahead of Texas and Oklahoma and they have outpaced those two in the 10s). Alabama has 5 titles and 2 runnerups in the last dozen years.

(03-07-2020 03:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 07:09 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 03:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 11:52 AM)schmolik Wrote:  I think the more relevant part of my comparison was the Weis extension. Considering Notre Dame went 3-9 two years after that, 10 years was clearly a mistake. Would Weis have been fired after two BCS berths the first two years? Who knows? But it does look bad. Similarly, when NBC went long on their last extension they did so after they went 12-0 and played in the BCS championship game so ratings most likely were higher. NBC's previous extension was five years. I couldn't tell you what the trends were in the previous years before 2012 but if you are you going to make a big commitment based on just one year of good ratings, you can't cry when ratings go down.

Eventually there has to be a point where the ratings are so low that NBC has to say enough is enough. Or NBC has the right to air games on NBCSN, why don't they? It's obvious if Notre Dame plays a MAC opponent no one other than the two schools involved are going to watch, why waste NBC's time? It's not hard. 2020 vs. Western Michigan and 2021 vs. Toledo on NBCSN. Make the NBC affiliates happier since they can air higher rated programming.

The contract permits NBC to put one game per year on NBCSN (which also televises all ND home hockey games) and it does.

It has been that way for a few years now.

Only two Notre Dame games have ever aired on NBCSN, 2015 vs. Boston College and 2017 vs. Miami Ohio. Last year, the lowest rated OTA game of the season was a Notre Dame home game: Bowling Green (0.8, 1.28M). New Mexico did slightly better (1.0, 1.50M viewers). The only other OTA I found that did worse was Minnesota-Northwestern on ABC (0.9, 1.36M) which aired vs. Penn State-Ohio State.

On Oct. 5, BG-ND had fewer viewers than all three ABC games, all three FOX games, the CBS game, and three of the four ESPN games including a late night Pac-12 game (Wash-Stan, 1.1, 1.88M). They also had fewer viewers than a game that aired on ESPN the previous night, UCF-CIN (0.9, 1.44M).

Next year all seven games are scheduled for NBC, none on NBCSN. Are they expecting a big audience for Western Michigan?

That is NBC's call. Give them a ring. Tell them what they should do.

I made my comments in this thread. This is a public board, they're welcome to read it. I also speak with my remote ... by not watching. Looking at their TV ratings, seems like a lot of people are joining me.

(03-07-2020 03:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

Not quite the run of those two, but ND is on a a 23-3 run the past two seasons and a 33-6 run the past three years.

It also has 4 double digit win seasons in the past five years.

It had two undefeated seasons in 2012 and 2018, netting them a national championship game and a playoff appearances.

So, the reports of ND's death or great declined are greatly exaggerated.

Too bad it's not translating to success on the screen.

(03-09-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

Not quite the run of those two, but ND is on a a 23-3 run the past two seasons and a 33-6 run the past three years.

It also has 4 double digit win seasons in the past five years.

It had two undefeated seasons in 2012 and 2018, netting them a national championship game and a playoff appearances.

So, the reports of ND's death or terminal decline are greatly exaggerated.

Well not even close to the runs of those. Notre Dame's unbeaten seasons ended in embarrassment in the playoffs, as expected by pretty much everyone (they just weren't an impressive unbeaten). Ohio St. has 2 titles to go with 2 runnerups and probably easily the best W/L record since the beginning of the BCS era (I know they did in the 00s, a little ahead of Texas and Oklahoma and they have outpaced those two in the 10s). Alabama has 5 titles and 2 runnerups in the last dozen years.

But compared to ND 1997-2011, a hell of a good run.

(03-09-2020 03:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 07:09 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(03-06-2020 03:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The contract permits NBC to put one game per year on NBCSN (which also televises all ND home hockey games) and it does.

It has been that way for a few years now.

Only two Notre Dame games have ever aired on NBCSN, 2015 vs. Boston College and 2017 vs. Miami Ohio. Last year, the lowest rated OTA game of the season was a Notre Dame home game: Bowling Green (0.8, 1.28M). New Mexico did slightly better (1.0, 1.50M viewers). The only other OTA I found that did worse was Minnesota-Northwestern on ABC (0.9, 1.36M) which aired vs. Penn State-Ohio State.

On Oct. 5, BG-ND had fewer viewers than all three ABC games, all three FOX games, the CBS game, and three of the four ESPN games including a late night Pac-12 game (Wash-Stan, 1.1, 1.88M). They also had fewer viewers than a game that aired on ESPN the previous night, UCF-CIN (0.9, 1.44M).

Next year all seven games are scheduled for NBC, none on NBCSN. Are they expecting a big audience for Western Michigan?

That is NBC's call. Give them a ring. Tell them what they should do.

I made my comments in this thread. This is a public board, they're welcome to read it. I also speak with my remote ... by not watching. Looking at their TV ratings, seems like a lot of people are joining me.

(03-07-2020 03:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

Not quite the run of those two, but ND is on a a 23-3 run the past two seasons and a 33-6 run the past three years.

It also has 4 double digit win seasons in the past five years.

It had two undefeated seasons in 2012 and 2018, netting them a national championship game and a playoff appearances.

So, the reports of ND's death or great declined are greatly exaggerated.

Too bad it's not translating to success on the screen.

(03-09-2020 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 03:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

Not quite the run of those two, but ND is on a a 23-3 run the past two seasons and a 33-6 run the past three years.

It also has 4 double digit win seasons in the past five years.

It had two undefeated seasons in 2012 and 2018, netting them a national championship game and a playoff appearances.

So, the reports of ND's death or terminal decline are greatly exaggerated.

Well not even close to the runs of those. Notre Dame's unbeaten seasons ended in embarrassment in the playoffs, as expected by pretty much everyone (they just weren't an impressive unbeaten). Ohio St. has 2 titles to go with 2 runnerups and probably easily the best W/L record since the beginning of the BCS era (I know they did in the 00s, a little ahead of Texas and Oklahoma and they have outpaced those two in the 10s). Alabama has 5 titles and 2 runnerups in the last dozen years.

But compared to ND 1997-2011, a hell of a good run.

Yes. Which shows how strong a brand Notre Dame is.

(03-07-2020 01:41 PM)bullet Wrote:  Notre Dame may no longer be the most valuable property, but they are definitely at least top 3 along with Alabama and Ohio St.
And Notre Dame is up there without the incredible runs those two have had, Alabama since 2008 and Ohio St. for pretty much the whole BCS/playoff era.

In terms of last season's TV ratings, they were 9th among the top 15 schools in the Week 15 CFP ranking. Four SEC schools and three Big Ten schools had more viewers than Notre Dame did. Texas isn't included since they didn't make the Week 15 CFP ranking.

https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/some-oh...emson.html