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RE: Baseball vs Louisiana
(03-05-2020 07:53 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...
The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.
And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?
Still too early to tell but three are still in the minors.
Otto was a 5th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to High A and has a lifetime 2.85 ERA in the minors.
Gray was a 13th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to AA and has a lifetime .239 average in the minors.
Salinas was a 25th round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A and has a lifetime 4.30 ERA in the minors.
Others of note:
Ford Proctor was a 3rd round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A with a lifetime .279 batting average in the minors.
Cody Staab was a 30th round draft choice in 2018 and hit .062 in one season at Rookie League and did not come back for a second year.
Dane Myers was a 6th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it as far as High A with a lifetime ERA of 4.04.
I'd say Otto and Proctor are looking like the best bets to get as far as AAA. Whether either gets to the bigs will depend on what they do in the next couple of years.
So 2017 and 2018 we had 3 players drafted both years, 2 in top 10 rounds in 2017 and 1 in 2018. Compare with the results a decade ago:
2004: 6 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2005: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2006: 7 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2007: 14 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2008: 11 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2009: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2010: 7 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds
2011: 5 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2012: 8 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2013: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2014: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2015: 7 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2016: 2 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2017: 3 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2018: 3 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds
Now the total numbers are somewhat influenced because MLB cut back the number of draft rounds from 50 to 40 in 2012, so I have added numbers for the top 10 rounds to offset that. The last Owl taken after round 40 was in 2011 (Jeremy Rathjen, 41st round, who came back to school and was drafted in round 11 in 2012). There are two significant drops, one in the number of top 10's after 2008 (averaged 4 2004-2008, 1.8 since) and in total draftees after 2015 (the class that would have been recruited in 2011-2012). I'd say that we see a significant talent drop from the decade 2000-2009 to the decade 2010-2019. Why is open to discussion. Certainly other schools used Wayne's age against him (which just makes it even dumber that we didn't have an orderly succession plan in place) and certainly the sticker price differential had some effect. We're just not looking at the same talent level that we got used to for about a decade, and it shows on the field.
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