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All of the sudden the Silver Glove is the biggest thing we are playing for...
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(03-04-2020 10:58 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  All of the sudden the Silver Glove is the biggest thing we are playing for...

Conference tournament?
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(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 07:41 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
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(03-04-2020 02:40 AM)TheTalonsOfTruth Wrote:  There are no good metrics to measure a recruiting class, especially in baseball. But I do believe that the new financial aid structure will play a big role in making Rice competitive with the top schools in Texas, from a recruiting standpoint. Also, the players we have now are a reflection of the recruiting done 2-3 years ago by Pope, it has nothing to do with Bragga or the current staff. I don't think we can measure Bragga's recruits for another 2-3 years. But hopefully by 2023 Rice will return to being one of the best programs in the country.

IIRC, the consensus 2-3 years ago was that Pope was doing pretty much as well as could be done with the financial aid structure then in place.

Pope was doing a good job. Bragga decided he wasn’t. Hence the recall of offers and the release of Pope.

It’s worked out swimmingly so far.....

Pope was doing a bad job, just goes to show how much this message board actually knows. Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts. He was a bad judge of talent.

I actually do know what's going on and I actually do know what kind of players Pope had recruited (and hung on to when Van Hook left).
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(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts.

You're new to this board, aren't you? 03-wink

It's also Karlgaard's fault. Whatever "it" is, it's Karlgaard's fault. And Leebron's, for hiring him.
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(03-04-2020 12:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 10:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 10:19 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Wondering how a Lance Berkman hire could have been worse.
I was wondering how much better it could have been.
But let’s see if Bragga can get this team to be play better the rest of this season and how much stronger the Owls may be after the arrival of next year’s reportedly strong recruiting class.

We just don't have the talent level that we are accustomed to. A decade with a $20,000 net price differential versus TCU and Baylor will do that to you. Wayne covered it up with coaching for as long as he could. If next year's class turns out to be as strong as rumored, and the one after that does too, then we could be back in business by 2023. But it's not going to be pretty until then.

You know, for someone who so often (and correctly) mocks the unofficial Rice mantra of "losing is okay as long as you have a good enough excuse," you've got a lot of excuses for Rice baseball becoming a losing program. Our financial aid was lousy. Baylor & TCU started giving automatic merit scholarships that we couldn't. When it was pointed out that Vanderbilt would be in the same boat then, a bogus excuse was made for that. And on and on. Heaven forbid the buck stop at the head coach's desk, it was all structural issues beyond his control.

We didn't just start giving financial aid this year with the Rice Investment. We've been a solid financial aid school compared to peers going way back and yeah, we're getting even better, but it's not a sea change. There's also lots of lower-endowment private schools that likely have higher net cost of attendance because of lower financial aid but still managed to pass us by (DBU, Tulane, etc.). We can recruit a vastly wider talent pool than public schools, but quite obviously a ton of them passed us as well. And BU & TCU do give some automatic merit money now, for top test scores and grades, but how many high-level Div. I baseball recruits have 1400+ SAT scores or whatever it takes? I understand Rice's whole student body is 1400+ and that's why we can't give automatic merit, I'm just saying that there's no way BU & TCU have rosters full of automatic merit kids. If it's made a difference in a couple isolated cases, big whoop. Doesn't at all explain or excuse the downslide here.

The job description here was, is, and always has been to recruit kids who can play, pass, and pay. That's every baseball coach's job description, and there's advantages and disadvantages to every situation that every coach has to deal with. We dropped off in that area, and it wasn't because all our advantages suddenly turned to disadvantages. The program stopped being run well. Res ipsa loquitur.
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(03-04-2020 10:59 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 10:58 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  All of the sudden the Silver Glove is the biggest thing we are playing for...

Conference tournament?

I was thinking more short-term aka tonight, but yes you are right.

I am optimistic that we will make the tourney 04-cheers.
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(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 07:41 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:40 AM)TheTalonsOfTruth Wrote:  There are no good metrics to measure a recruiting class, especially in baseball. But I do believe that the new financial aid structure will play a big role in making Rice competitive with the top schools in Texas, from a recruiting standpoint. Also, the players we have now are a reflection of the recruiting done 2-3 years ago by Pope, it has nothing to do with Bragga or the current staff. I don't think we can measure Bragga's recruits for another 2-3 years. But hopefully by 2023 Rice will return to being one of the best programs in the country.

IIRC, the consensus 2-3 years ago was that Pope was doing pretty much as well as could be done with the financial aid structure then in place.

Pope was doing a good job. Bragga decided he wasn’t. Hence the recall of offers and the release of Pope.

It’s worked out swimmingly so far.....

Pope was doing a bad job, just goes to show how much this message board actually knows. Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts. He was a bad judge of talent.

Yeah, unconvinced that Pope was a very good assistant. Who's the best pitcher that Pope recruited? Kel Bordwine? Jeeeeez.
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RE: Baseball vs Louisiana
(03-04-2020 11:01 AM)illiniowl Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 12:38 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 10:28 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(03-03-2020 10:19 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Wondering how a Lance Berkman hire could have been worse.
I was wondering how much better it could have been.
But let’s see if Bragga can get this team to be play better the rest of this season and how much stronger the Owls may be after the arrival of next year’s reportedly strong recruiting class.

We just don't have the talent level that we are accustomed to. A decade with a $20,000 net price differential versus TCU and Baylor will do that to you. Wayne covered it up with coaching for as long as he could. If next year's class turns out to be as strong as rumored, and the one after that does too, then we could be back in business by 2023. But it's not going to be pretty until then.

You know, for someone who so often (and correctly) mocks the unofficial Rice mantra of "losing is okay as long as you have a good enough excuse," you've got a lot of excuses for Rice baseball becoming a losing program. Our financial aid was lousy. Baylor & TCU started giving automatic merit scholarships that we couldn't. When it was pointed out that Vanderbilt would be in the same boat then, a bogus excuse was made for that. And on and on. Heaven forbid the buck stop at the head coach's desk, it was all structural issues beyond his control.

We didn't just start giving financial aid this year with the Rice Investment. We've been a solid financial aid school compared to peers going way back and yeah, we're getting even better, but it's not a sea change. There's also lots of lower-endowment private schools that likely have higher net cost of attendance because of lower financial aid but still managed to pass us by (DBU, Tulane, etc.). We can recruit a vastly wider talent pool than public schools, but quite obviously a ton of them passed us as well. And BU & TCU do give some automatic merit money now, for top test scores and grades, but how many high-level Div. I baseball recruits have 1400+ SAT scores or whatever it takes? I understand Rice's whole student body is 1400+ and that's why we can't give automatic merit, I'm just saying that there's no way BU & TCU have rosters full of automatic merit kids. If it's made a difference in a couple isolated cases, big whoop. Doesn't at all explain or excuse the downslide here.

The job description here was, is, and always has been to recruit kids who can play, pass, and pay. That's every baseball coach's job description, and there's advantages and disadvantages to every situation that every coach has to deal with. We dropped off in that area, and it wasn't because all our advantages suddenly turned to disadvantages. The program stopped being run well. Res ipsa loquitur.

Bingo.
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RE: Baseball vs Louisiana
But pulling offers reflects poorly on the baseball program and the University as a whole. Bragga might prove to be a poor choice.

(03-04-2020 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 07:41 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 02:40 AM)TheTalonsOfTruth Wrote:  There are no good metrics to measure a recruiting class, especially in baseball. But I do believe that the new financial aid structure will play a big role in making Rice competitive with the top schools in Texas, from a recruiting standpoint. Also, the players we have now are a reflection of the recruiting done 2-3 years ago by Pope, it has nothing to do with Bragga or the current staff. I don't think we can measure Bragga's recruits for another 2-3 years. But hopefully by 2023 Rice will return to being one of the best programs in the country.

IIRC, the consensus 2-3 years ago was that Pope was doing pretty much as well as could be done with the financial aid structure then in place.

Pope was doing a good job. Bragga decided he wasn’t. Hence the recall of offers and the release of Pope.

It’s worked out swimmingly so far.....

Pope was doing a bad job, just goes to show how much this message board actually knows. Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts. He was a bad judge of talent.

I actually do know what's going on and I actually do know what kind of players Pope had recruited (and hung on to when Van Hook left).
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I don’t like pulling offers. I didn’t like when Todd did it and I didn’t like it when Bragga did it.
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(03-04-2020 01:29 PM)75src Wrote:  But pulling offers reflects poorly on the baseball program and the University as a whole. Bragga might prove to be a poor choice.

(03-04-2020 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 07:41 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 05:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC, the consensus 2-3 years ago was that Pope was doing pretty much as well as could be done with the financial aid structure then in place.

Pope was doing a good job. Bragga decided he wasn’t. Hence the recall of offers and the release of Pope.

It’s worked out swimmingly so far.....

Pope was doing a bad job, just goes to show how much this message board actually knows. Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts. He was a bad judge of talent.

I actually do know what's going on and I actually do know what kind of players Pope had recruited (and hung on to when Van Hook left).

Two things can both be possible at once: the program was poorly run in the last few years of the Graham era and trending downhill fast, AND the choice to hire Bragga was not a good one. Thus, 26-33; 2-9.
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Reading D1's College Classic recap is depressing. I know we still play in it every other year, but that used to be a must watch weekend for all Owl fans and the national media. Oh how the mighty have fallen...
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(03-04-2020 01:49 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 01:29 PM)75src Wrote:  But pulling offers reflects poorly on the baseball program and the University as a whole. Bragga might prove to be a poor choice.
(03-04-2020 11:00 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 10:57 AM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 07:41 AM)Owl1998 Wrote:  Pope was doing a good job. Bragga decided he wasn’t. Hence the recall of offers and the release of Pope.
It’s worked out swimmingly so far.....
Pope was doing a bad job, just goes to show how much this message board actually knows. Unless y’all really know what’s going on you shouldn’t just state things as facts. He was a bad judge of talent.
I actually do know what's going on and I actually do know what kind of players Pope had recruited (and hung on to when Van Hook left).
Two things can both be possible at once: the program was poorly run in the last few years of the Graham era and trending downhill fast, AND the choice to hire Bragga was not a good one. Thus, 26-33; 2-9.

Or a third thing could be possible. The program was severely handicapped on in recruiting battles because of the $20,000 difference in cost of attendance for a partial scholarship recipient. Hence the quality of talent fell off dramatically in the last decade or so under Wayne, and Bragga has not had scintillating recruiting results so far, so the team is just plain bad. The Rice Endowment should alleviate that problem, and consistent with that expectation, Bragga has what appears to be a much better recruiting class coming in next year. If recruiting does in fact improve substantially next year and after that, I will take that as at least some corroboration of this scenario.
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The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).

If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...
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(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).

If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...

Exactly!
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(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...

The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.

And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?
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(03-04-2020 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...

The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.

And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?

Still too early to tell but three are still in the minors.
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(03-04-2020 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...

The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.

And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?

Still too early to tell but three are still in the minors.

Nobody I’ve talked to when I’ve asked around has brought up the scholarship thing. I suspect that applies to 1 or 2 kids per year max. The players I know that had interest from Rice but didn’t come here have brought up 1) other programs in Texas with new facilities and such, caring about baseball, which I don’t think was the case in our heyday for much of the rest of the non UT and A&M state and 2) not wanting to play for a coach in their 80s and other coaches successfully negatively recruiting against that.
Talked with a pitcher recently that wound up at an ACC school and he had no interest in playing for us at the time he was being recruited but would have considered us had the ambiguity of when Graham would go/who would take over been settled at the time.
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(03-04-2020 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...
The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.
And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?
Still too early to tell but three are still in the minors.

Otto was a 5th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to High A and has a lifetime 2.85 ERA in the minors.
Gray was a 13th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to AA and has a lifetime .239 average in the minors.
Salinas was a 25th round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A and has a lifetime 4.30 ERA in the minors.

Others of note:

Ford Proctor was a 3rd round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A with a lifetime .279 batting average in the minors.
Cody Staab was a 30th round draft choice in 2018 and hit .062 in one season at Rookie League and did not come back for a second year.
Dane Myers was a 6th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it as far as High A with a lifetime ERA of 4.04.

I'd say Otto and Proctor are looking like the best bets to get as far as AAA. Whether either gets to the bigs will depend on what they do in the next couple of years.

So 2017 and 2018 we had 3 players drafted both years, 2 in top 10 rounds in 2017 and 1 in 2018. Compare with the results a decade ago:

2004: 6 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2005: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2006: 7 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2007: 14 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2008: 11 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2009: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2010: 7 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds
2011: 5 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2012: 8 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2013: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2014: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2015: 7 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2016: 2 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2017: 3 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2018: 3 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds

Now the total numbers are somewhat influenced because MLB cut back the number of draft rounds from 50 to 40 in 2012, so I have added numbers for the top 10 rounds to offset that. The last Owl taken after round 40 was in 2011 (Jeremy Rathjen, 41st round, who came back to school and was drafted in round 11 in 2012). There are two significant drops, one in the number of top 10's after 2008 (averaged 4 2004-2008, 1.8 since) and in total draftees after 2015 (the class that would have been recruited in 2011-2012). I'd say that we see a significant talent drop from the decade 2000-2009 to the decade 2010-2019. Why is open to discussion. Certainly other schools used Wayne's age against him (which just makes it even dumber that we didn't have an orderly succession plan in place) and certainly the sticker price differential had some effect. We're just not looking at the same talent level that we got used to for about a decade, and it shows on the field.
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(03-04-2020 10:23 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 08:43 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-04-2020 04:16 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  The recruiting/scholarship discrepancy didn’t meaningfully change between, say, 2014 (our last good class, with Gray, Otto, Chandler, Salinas, etc) and 2016/2017 (our current upperclassmen).
If you want to attribute the fall-off from ‘08ish to ‘14 to scholarship changes, I can maybe get behind that. But the cliff we’ve fallen off of from ‘14 to ‘20 has a lot more to do with incompetent recruiting after Hallmark and Van Hook left and Graham passed the 80 y/o mark...
The definition of the discrepancy didn't change, but the adeptness with which it was used was an evolving thing over the first half of the 20-teens decade. LSU was able to offer Alex Bregman a full ride because they saved so many scholarships by going the academic route. That was kind of ground-breaking.
And our fall-off pretty much started about a decade ago. The 2014 class may have been better than any that followed, but it still didn't compare to those a decade earlier. Did anybody out of that class get to the bigs? For more than a cup of coffee?
Still too early to tell but three are still in the minors.

Otto was a 5th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to High A and has a lifetime 2.85 ERA in the minors.
Gray was a 13th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it to AA and has a lifetime .239 average in the minors.
Salinas was a 25th round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A and has a lifetime 4.30 ERA in the minors.

Others of note:

Ford Proctor was a 3rd round draft choice in 2018 and has made it as far as Low A with a lifetime .279 batting average in the minors.
Cody Staab was a 30th round draft choice in 2018 and hit .062 in one season at Rookie League and did not come back for a second year.
Dane Myers was a 6th round draft choice in 2017 and has made it as far as High A with a lifetime ERA of 4.04.

I'd say Otto and Proctor are looking like the best bets to get as far as AAA. Whether either gets to the bigs will depend on what they do in the next couple of years.

So 2017 and 2018 we had 3 players drafted both years, 2 in top 10 rounds in 2017 and 1 in 2018. Compare with the results a decade ago:

2004: 6 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2005: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2006: 7 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2007: 14 drafted, 5 in top 10 rounds
2008: 11 drafted, 4 in top 10 rounds
2009: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2010: 7 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds
2011: 5 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2012: 8 drafted, 2 in top 5 rounds
2013: 5 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2014: 6 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2015: 7 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2016: 2 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2017: 3 drafted, 2 in top 10 rounds
2018: 3 drafted, 1 in top 10 rounds

Now the total numbers are somewhat influenced because MLB cut back the number of draft rounds from 50 to 40 in 2012, so I have added numbers for the top 10 rounds to offset that. The last Owl taken after round 40 was in 2011 (Jeremy Rathjen, 41st round, who came back to school and was drafted in round 11 in 2012). There are two significant drops, one in the number of top 10's after 2008 (averaged 4 2004-2008, 1.8 since) and in total draftees after 2015 (the class that would have been recruited in 2011-2012). I'd say that we see a significant talent drop from the decade 2000-2009 to the decade 2010-2019. Why is open to discussion. Certainly other schools used Wayne's age against him (which just makes it even dumber that we didn't have an orderly succession plan in place) and certainly the sticker price differential had some effect. We're just not looking at the same talent level that we got used to for about a decade, and it shows on the field.

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