(03-03-2020 06:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:34 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:14 PM)Mav Wrote:  Can confirm. I'm a millennial and not a gearhead (neither was my dad before any of you have any wise remarks), but I've used Youtube and a scrap yard to do my own car repairs quite a few times. I learned how to swap out a broken power window mechanism on a 1994 Camry that way. As nice as reading a Haynes manual is it's hard to beat watching someone do it and break down step by step what to do and why to do it. The information's out there for anyone that wants it. You can sneer at looking things up online but it works and even people in more technical fields such as IT do it. Still, I'm not afraid of a power drill or a wrench. People that are just mean more money for people that aren't, so I guess I can't complain.

And well, there is a bit of a mindset that was beat into our heads by older generations that they still continue to love to hammer us on, that we can't do anything right. You see it a lot here. As a result, well, a lot of us don't bother because we're just stupid millennials that mess up everything we ever do, so we might as well just stick to whatever it is we actually are serviceable at. Some can push through that and learn to be a little more self-sufficient, others just pay someone that's actually competent. But, I mean, you can't help but look at this and realize what a failure the boomer generation was as parents if this is the fruit of their labor.

Millennials weren't our kids. Boomer's (older ones) had X'ers and younger ones had generation Y. The Boom lasted from '45 to '62 until some tried to revise the dates. Millennials were born from what 1982 on or something like that since they would graduate high school in the new millennium? I think X'ers were the demographic who gave birth to most millennials. Some late Boomers were involved but then those tail end Boomers were probably comprised of last children in their families and that means they probably had more done for them as well. Helicopter parents is an X'er thing.

Early on it was almost exclusively boomer parents (If you were born in 1964 and had a kid in 1981 you made a huge mistake) and by the time you reach the end in 1996 it'd be mostly X but with some boomers that had kids in their mid to late 30s. Boomers were involved from the get go. And yes, you saw helicopter parents among boomers. Not as bad as Gen X but it was definitely there.

We've reached a point where "young adult" doesn't really even necessarily mean millennial anymore. The older ones are pushing 40 and the younger ones have been in the work force for a few years now.

Generation Y are also echo boomers, they were distinguished from Millennials because they had Boomer parents.

The Helicopter phenomenon was directly related to suburbs. In the Boomer's life span most families lived in neighborhoods where the homes didn't look like carbon copies of one another with just the trim painted differently. With Suburbs keeping up with the Joneses took on a whole new dynamic. Everyone drove similar cars, had similar homes, and the children were pressured to perform at school and in their hobbies because it related to the status of the parents. Naturally that bled over to high school and unfortunately College where I've known many professors who had problems with helicopter parents, and my wife had them come to her lab to push 20 year old children's performance ratings. Totally an eye-rolling absurd experience. We always felt sorry for the kids. How were they ever going to individuate and get comfortable in their own skins with that kind of mania happening.

We had parents that if we didn't have a good grade the teacher was never question but our bottoms got torn up. If we got paddled at school we got it when we got home too. And all of the guys in my high school class (save 2) knew we had to pay for our own college and buy our own cars when we turned 16, providing insurance and gas. But then almost all of us had worked since we were 10. It started mowing yards, harvesting crops, and graduated to mill work in the Summer. By today's standards our parents would have been found to be abusive, only they were great!

My dad and his 1st cousin built their first car out of Studebaker parts they bought at a variety of local junkyards. They alternated weekends with the car to date. But in fairness before computerized ignition systems and engine diagnostics it was absolutely easier to work on your own vehicle. I grew up changing my own oil, setting my timing, replacing my own points and plugs, and greasing the fittings (now contained inside boots). Heck we even changed our own brake shoes and linings. Forget about most of that now!

I don't know what changed to put so much fear into parents and through them their kids but it was a rotten day for life n this country when it happened. I'll tell you this though a lot of it started when we quit having state run mental institutions and real crazies were loose on the street, and then came the drugs, and then came the illegals. It's definitely a different world and although I enjoy poking fun at millennials you really did inherit a much bigger mess than we did.

When the guy poisoned Halloween candy to kill his own kid definitely changed things. It was a while before it came out that he did it. He was in a Houston suburb, Pasadena.

Same year in Houston Elmer Wayne Henley killed his older accomplice in killing about 30 teenage boys.

When was that Bullet? Other cities had weird cases as well. Drug laced candy comes to mind when we started tossing unwrapped candy from our kids Halloween bags and walking with them to every house.

My younger brother and I put a transmission in an opel GT in the parking lot of Richardson towers dorm at Memphis State. A year later we traded a car for a 12 pack and a 258 to put in my cj5.

For God's sake millineals. Do better.

(03-03-2020 06:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's not just a millennial thing. Plenty of my Gen X neighbors keep me stocked in booze for fixing simple stuff they are absolutely clueless about, and I don't think that there's many small engine powered tools in my garage that I actually bought. Most of the were sitting by the curb the day before trash day and just needed a minor fix.

You got me started on ethanol. Ruined more small engines than anything else. Fortunately if you know how to clean the jet with a thin wire you are back in business. My little Poulan chainsaw finally gave up as the gas lines/primer bulb all fell apart. It was $99 and had ten good years...I tried to feed a new gas line...f it. Almost impossible. I bought a new one at Ollie's for like $79.

Learned my lesson...ethanol free gas in all my small engines.

(03-03-2020 07:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  My younger brother and I put a transmission in an opel GT in the parking lot of Richardson towers dorm at Memphis State. A year later we traded a car for a 12 pack and a 258 to put in my cj5.

For God's sake millineals. Do better.

I had a 68 Opel Kadett bought for $25 when I was 18. Put $100 in it to get it running. Sold it two years later for $125

(03-03-2020 06:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Generation Y are also echo boomers, they were distinguished from Millennials because they had Boomer parents.

I was born in the early 1980s. Not sure what that means as far as Y goes, though I thought Millennials and Y were the same thing.

Quote:The Helicopter phenomenon was directly related to suburbs. In the Boomer's life span most families lived in neighborhoods where the homes didn't look like carbon copies of one another with just the trim painted differently. With Suburbs keeping up with the Joneses took on a whole new dynamic. Everyone drove similar cars, had similar homes, and the children were pressured to perform at school and in their hobbies because it related to the status of the parents.

Yep. And you see some sort of pushback to that in the form of hipsterism, but it's just superficial interest in things, unlike the deep subcultures and countercultures you saw from the 50s to the 90s. The pushback is very Millennial in that it's narcissistic, half-assed and superficial.

Quote:Naturally that bled over to high school and unfortunately College where I've known many professors who had problems with helicopter parents, and my wife had them come to her lab to push 20 year old children's performance ratings. Totally an eye-rolling absurd experience. We always felt sorry for the kids. How were they ever going to individuate and get comfortable in their own skins with that kind of mania happening.

They never do, but their constant reliance on those above them and lack of self-esteem does make them into wonderful cube jockeys.

Quote:We had parents that if we didn't have a good grade the teacher was never question but our bottoms got torn up. If we got paddled at school we got it when we got home too. And all of the guys in my high school class (save 2) knew we had to pay for our own college and buy our own cars when we turned 16, providing insurance and gas. But then almost all of us had worked since we were 10. It started mowing yards, harvesting crops, and graduated to mill work in the Summer. By today's standards our parents would have been found to be abusive, only they were great!

Well, stuff's just more expensive nowadays and work like that doesn't really exist in cities, or really anywhere anymore.
https://twitter.com/oren_cass/status/123...9794166785
The local Walmart just did away with all of their cashiering kiosks and replaced them all with self-serve terminals. Soon everyone will. That's going to be a lot of 16-year-olds out of work. I worry about the next generation. It's not getting any better for them.

Quote:My dad and his 1st cousin built their first car out of Studebaker parts they bought at a variety of local junkyards. They alternated weekends with the car to date. But in fairness before computerized ignition systems and engine diagnostics it was absolutely easier to work on your own vehicle. I grew up changing my own oil, setting my timing, replacing my own points and plugs, and greasing the fittings (now contained inside boots). Heck we even changed our own brake shoes and linings. Forget about most of that now!

Yep. Now consider that most appliances and such are highly computerized and you even have smart locks for your front door and you'll see why basic home improvement stopped being so basic.

Quote:I don't know what changed to put so much fear into parents and through them their kids but it was a rotten day for life n this country when it happened. I'll tell you this though a lot of it started when we quit having state run mental institutions and real crazies were loose on the street, and then came the drugs, and then came the illegals. It's definitely a different world and although I enjoy poking fun at millennials you really did inherit a much bigger mess than we did.

I think some of it was technology. Something like what happened to Johnny Gosch wouldn't have made the rounds back in simpler times. The resulting pushes regarding stranger danger are some of it. Dr. Spock and the shift to a more humanistic approach to parenting is another. Also, somewhere along the line parents started to see children as reflections of themselves rather than progeny to raise and guide. That's the mindset that helicopter parenting came from. It became a matter of instilling authority and living vicariously through your child rather than building them into a functional adult.

What's really troubling is that it's hard to pin down how it got to this point, and without understanding that we won't really quite know how to fix it, even on a micro level.

I love Youtube. There have been a few jobs where I'll check Youtube first. My chimney for instance kept leaking and I couldn't find a source of the leak. I check the website and it gave me a few ideas of where the leak could happen. I went and bought a sealer through the internet and did the job myself. (The local chimney repairmen wants $165 bucks just to see it.) I wanted a good rain which we got today to check if I had succeeded and so far I haven't heard the drops of water on the fireplace, fingers crossed.

One area that millennials will be better at than us oldsters is the computer. I have to rely on my nephew when I have problems.

(03-03-2020 07:44 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Generation Y are also echo boomers, they were distinguished from Millennials because they had Boomer parents.

I was born in the early 1980s. Not sure what that means as far as Y goes, though I thought Millennials and Y were the same thing.

Quote:The Helicopter phenomenon was directly related to suburbs. In the Boomer's life span most families lived in neighborhoods where the homes didn't look like carbon copies of one another with just the trim painted differently. With Suburbs keeping up with the Joneses took on a whole new dynamic. Everyone drove similar cars, had similar homes, and the children were pressured to perform at school and in their hobbies because it related to the status of the parents.

Yep. And you see some sort of pushback to that in the form of hipsterism, but it's just superficial interest in things, unlike the deep subcultures and countercultures you saw from the 50s to the 90s. The pushback is very Millennial in that it's narcissistic, half-assed and superficial.

Quote:Naturally that bled over to high school and unfortunately College where I've known many professors who had problems with helicopter parents, and my wife had them come to her lab to push 20 year old children's performance ratings. Totally an eye-rolling absurd experience. We always felt sorry for the kids. How were they ever going to individuate and get comfortable in their own skins with that kind of mania happening.

They never do, but their constant reliance on those above them and lack of self-esteem does make them into wonderful cube jockeys.

Quote:We had parents that if we didn't have a good grade the teacher was never question but our bottoms got torn up. If we got paddled at school we got it when we got home too. And all of the guys in my high school class (save 2) knew we had to pay for our own college and buy our own cars when we turned 16, providing insurance and gas. But then almost all of us had worked since we were 10. It started mowing yards, harvesting crops, and graduated to mill work in the Summer. By today's standards our parents would have been found to be abusive, only they were great!

Well, stuff's just more expensive nowadays and work like that doesn't really exist in cities, or really anywhere anymore.
https://twitter.com/oren_cass/status/123...9794166785
The local Walmart just did away with all of their cashiering kiosks and replaced them all with self-serve terminals. Soon everyone will. That's going to be a lot of 16-year-olds out of work. I worry about the next generation. It's not getting any better for them.

Quote:My dad and his 1st cousin built their first car out of Studebaker parts they bought at a variety of local junkyards. They alternated weekends with the car to date. But in fairness before computerized ignition systems and engine diagnostics it was absolutely easier to work on your own vehicle. I grew up changing my own oil, setting my timing, replacing my own points and plugs, and greasing the fittings (now contained inside boots). Heck we even changed our own brake shoes and linings. Forget about most of that now!

Yep. Now consider that most appliances and such are highly computerized and you even have smart locks for your front door and you'll see why basic home improvement stopped being so basic.

Quote:I don't know what changed to put so much fear into parents and through them their kids but it was a rotten day for life n this country when it happened. I'll tell you this though a lot of it started when we quit having state run mental institutions and real crazies were loose on the street, and then came the drugs, and then came the illegals. It's definitely a different world and although I enjoy poking fun at millennials you really did inherit a much bigger mess than we did.

I think some of it was technology. Something like what happened to Johnny Gosch wouldn't have made the rounds back in simpler times. The resulting pushes regarding stranger danger are some of it. Dr. Spock and the shift to a more humanistic approach to parenting is another. Also, somewhere along the line parents started to see children as reflections of themselves rather than progeny to raise and guide. That's the mindset that helicopter parenting came from. It became a matter of instilling authority and living vicariously through your child rather than building them into a functional adult.

What's really troubling is that it's hard to pin down how it got to this point, and without understanding that we won't really quite know how to fix it, even on a micro level.

I agree with most of this, and one component left out of the above was the interjection of school into the families private life where kids learned they could leverage their parents by what they told their teachers. Believing the abused is important, but being equally skeptical of claims until their is obvious evidence is equally crucial.

Both of my daughters individuated and truly were out of the nest with college. Four of my 5 grandchildren grew up in a rural setting with a close Walton's like family structure and have worked hard, including farm work, and the first two have individuated well. The other two are still in high school. My other grandchild is more difficult to decipher as he is 10 and living inside the Arctic Circle. I hope to live to see what he is like at 18.

(03-03-2020 07:02 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 07:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  My younger brother and I put a transmission in an opel GT in the parking lot of Richardson towers dorm at Memphis State. A year later we traded a car for a 12 pack and a 258 to put in my cj5.

For God's sake millineals. Do better.

I had a 68 Opel Kadett bought for $25 when I was 18. Put $100 in it to get it running. Sold it two years later for $125

High school buddy had a Kadett. We drove it 35 miles to buy a half pint of Jack Daniel's when we were 15. Couldn't buy liquor in the county. Remember it like yesterday. Lmao.

My brothers little flip light GT eventually took a Chevette rear end. What a piece of shite. I got pulled over in it on the only one way street in Starkville after we played Miss State. I told boss Hogg to point me the quickest way out of his fine city. I put a dip of Copenhagen iin, he pointed down and to the left and I was gone forever.

Hot young blonde from batesville and me got the eff out of there. It was a good day.

Yes, it was a good day. Nothing on earth beats a rattling, oil burning german mistake and a hot blonde.

I can die tomorrow. I've had more than most.

nm

(03-03-2020 06:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:34 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 06:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Millennials weren't our kids. Boomer's (older ones) had X'ers and younger ones had generation Y. The Boom lasted from '45 to '62 until some tried to revise the dates. Millennials were born from what 1982 on or something like that since they would graduate high school in the new millennium? I think X'ers were the demographic who gave birth to most millennials. Some late Boomers were involved but then those tail end Boomers were probably comprised of last children in their families and that means they probably had more done for them as well. Helicopter parents is an X'er thing.

Early on it was almost exclusively boomer parents (If you were born in 1964 and had a kid in 1981 you made a huge mistake) and by the time you reach the end in 1996 it'd be mostly X but with some boomers that had kids in their mid to late 30s. Boomers were involved from the get go. And yes, you saw helicopter parents among boomers. Not as bad as Gen X but it was definitely there.

We've reached a point where "young adult" doesn't really even necessarily mean millennial anymore. The older ones are pushing 40 and the younger ones have been in the work force for a few years now.

Generation Y are also echo boomers, they were distinguished from Millennials because they had Boomer parents.

The Helicopter phenomenon was directly related to suburbs. In the Boomer's life span most families lived in neighborhoods where the homes didn't look like carbon copies of one another with just the trim painted differently. With Suburbs keeping up with the Joneses took on a whole new dynamic. Everyone drove similar cars, had similar homes, and the children were pressured to perform at school and in their hobbies because it related to the status of the parents. Naturally that bled over to high school and unfortunately College where I've known many professors who had problems with helicopter parents, and my wife had them come to her lab to push 20 year old children's performance ratings. Totally an eye-rolling absurd experience. We always felt sorry for the kids. How were they ever going to individuate and get comfortable in their own skins with that kind of mania happening.

We had parents that if we didn't have a good grade the teacher was never question but our bottoms got torn up. If we got paddled at school we got it when we got home too. And all of the guys in my high school class (save 2) knew we had to pay for our own college and buy our own cars when we turned 16, providing insurance and gas. But then almost all of us had worked since we were 10. It started mowing yards, harvesting crops, and graduated to mill work in the Summer. By today's standards our parents would have been found to be abusive, only they were great!

My dad and his 1st cousin built their first car out of Studebaker parts they bought at a variety of local junkyards. They alternated weekends with the car to date. But in fairness before computerized ignition systems and engine diagnostics it was absolutely easier to work on your own vehicle. I grew up changing my own oil, setting my timing, replacing my own points and plugs, and greasing the fittings (now contained inside boots). Heck we even changed our own brake shoes and linings. Forget about most of that now!

I don't know what changed to put so much fear into parents and through them their kids but it was a rotten day for life n this country when it happened. I'll tell you this though a lot of it started when we quit having state run mental institutions and real crazies were loose on the street, and then came the drugs, and then came the illegals. It's definitely a different world and although I enjoy poking fun at millennials you really did inherit a much bigger mess than we did.

When the guy poisoned Halloween candy to kill his own kid definitely changed things. It was a while before it came out that he did it. He was in a Houston suburb, Pasadena.

Same year in Houston Elmer Wayne Henley killed his older accomplice in killing about 30 teenage boys.

When was that Bullet? Other cities had weird cases as well. Drug laced candy comes to mind when we started tossing unwrapped candy from our kids Halloween bags and walking with them to every house.

1973. Guy put poison in a pixie stick.

<edit>-actually 1974 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Clark_O%27Bryan "...The Candy Man and The Man Who Killed Halloween..." Henley was caught in 73 but convicted in 74.

Just a couple years after Nixon killed Christmas tree lights.

(03-03-2020 06:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's not just a millennial thing. Plenty of my Gen X neighbors keep me stocked in booze for fixing simple stuff they are absolutely clueless about, and I don't think that there's many small engine powered tools in my garage that I actually bought. Most of the were sitting by the curb the day before trash day and just needed a minor fix.

lol....that's when you know you've 'hit the big time'....

#pay4play

today started like shite when I thought my water pump started playing games.....buh bye thermostat and stained hands later, it was a non-issue in less than 30 mins...

that's when the 'water carrier' becomes valid....

#neverAfraidToGetDirty

#muhTools

Ours was pretty simple-

If your bike, Mini bike, motorcycle or car got broke?

Fix it or grab the skateboard. Amazing what you can learn just by trying.

Never knew how to do drywall until I wanted the $250 security deposit back...

(03-04-2020 09:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Ours was pretty simple-

If your bike, Mini bike, motorcycle or car got broke?

Fix it or grab the skateboard. Amazing what you can learn just by trying.

Never knew how to do drywall until I wanted the $250 security deposit back...

I learned about popcorn ceiling repair after my attic wiring job almost 30 years ago. My wife saw a leg dangling in hallway to the bedrooms.

(03-03-2020 07:56 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 07:02 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2020 07:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  My younger brother and I put a transmission in an opel GT in the parking lot of Richardson towers dorm at Memphis State. A year later we traded a car for a 12 pack and a 258 to put in my cj5.

For God's sake millineals. Do better.

I had a 68 Opel Kadett bought for $25 when I was 18. Put $100 in it to get it running. Sold it two years later for $125

High school buddy had a Kadett. We drove it 35 miles to buy a half pint of Jack Daniel's when we were 15. Couldn't buy liquor in the county. Remember it like yesterday. Lmao.

My brothers little flip light GT eventually took a Chevette rear end. What a piece of shite. I got pulled over in it on the only one way street in Starkville after we played Miss State. I told boss Hogg to point me the quickest way out of his fine city. I put a dip of Copenhagen iin, he pointed down and to the left and I was gone forever.

Hot young blonde from batesville and me got the eff out of there. It was a good day.

Yes, it was a good day. Nothing on earth beats a rattling, oil burning german mistake and a hot blonde.

I can die tomorrow. I've had more than most.

My Opel scared the sh!t out of me. In high winds it drifted all over the place. Bought a 1970 Barracuda for $325 after selling the Opel.