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Went to PSU-Minnesota yesterday. Interesting case study about whether wins brings fans. They came yesterday...first sell out in 9 years...with team in 2nd place and likely locked into March Madness.

BUT also great marketing. I got $5 tickets through Nittany Lion Club. My son got a free Lamar Stevens shirt, kid’s book, and autograph session with Lamar postgame. Planned to do nothing yesterday but though this was a great deal.

They also doctored it a bit by giving away a lot of student tickets. Either way BJC was at least 80% full and they can go around saying they sold a game out.

So ultimately unless you’re a blue blood program it takes winning and marketing...especially if there is not a good basketball culture. Drexel has no sports culture but PSU fans are not that far ahead with caring about basketball either.
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(02-09-2020 06:49 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  Went to PSU-Minnesota yesterday. Interesting case study about whether wins brings fans. They came yesterday...first sell out in 9 years...with team in 2nd place and likely locked into March Madness.

BUT also great marketing. I got $5 tickets through Nittany Lion Club. My son got a free Lamar Stevens shirt, kid’s book, and autograph session with Lamar postgame. Planned to do nothing yesterday but though this was a great deal.

They also doctored it a bit by giving away a lot of student tickets. Either way BJC was at least 80% full and they can go around saying they sold a game out.

So ultimately unless you’re a blue blood program it takes winning and marketing...especially if there is not a good basketball culture. Drexel has no sports culture but PSU fans are not that far ahead with caring about basketball either.

drexel beat the best team n the league on homecoming with 2+ weeks before this weeks games

Could have hit every past ticket purchaser with an offer like your suggested... or just given the tickets away

Tie game at the u4... how would 500 students impacted vs 5?

How would 1800 people impacted vs 1100 (“1100”)?

Spiker sounded pissed at the end of the presser when asked about attendance .....people are reaching the end of their tolerance for laziness and accepting stat quo.........
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Marketing absolutely goes a long way. Winning cures all and covers all ills up.
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I've covered the general fan ticketing issues already.

In regards to the students not showing up, I wonder if it has anything to do with the new layout of the DAC that makes it less fun for the students? Are the students sitting too far away nowadays that they don't feel like they're part of the action? Also, I get the feeling that the DAC Pack has turned themselves into an exclusive group, instead of an inclusive group. I feel like it used to be a group that accepted anyone and everyone who just wanted to come out to a basketball game and have a great time. I don't understand why there are just 5-15 students in this group who seem to care and appear to be having fun, while the other students who do show up, are just sitting on their asses playing on their phones.

Basically the DAC Pack needs a complete reorganization IMO, and bring in leaders like they used to have who can really market the organization. It's the simplest student organization to be a part of. You just have to show up and watch basketball games, and stand up yell a lot. How hard can that be?
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(02-10-2020 08:33 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I've covered the general fan ticketing issues already.

In regards to the students not showing up, I wonder if it has anything to do with the new layout of the DAC that makes it less fun for the students? Are the students sitting too far away nowadays that they don't feel like they're part of the action? Also, I get the feeling that the DAC Pack has turned themselves into an exclusive group, instead of an inclusive group. I feel like it used to be a group that accepted anyone and everyone who just wanted to come out to a basketball game and have a great time. I don't understand why there are just 5-15 students in this group who seem to care and appear to be having fun, while the other students who do show up, are just sitting on their asses playing on their phones.

Basically the DAC Pack needs a complete reorganization IMO, and bring in leaders like they used to have who can really market the organization. It's the simplest student organization to be a part of. You just have to show up and watch basketball games, and stand up yell a lot. How hard can that be?

Your point about the new layout is one I didn't think of, but there could be something to it. You do feel somewhat separated from the action there since you're behind the backboard apparatus, and you don't have a great view of the opposite side of the court. I wouldn't be surprised if the interest in the DAC Pack previously was somewhat based off the chance to harass opposing players and refs from close range, and that's no longer really a possibility.

That said, I also agree 100% with your analysis of the DAC Pack's organizational structure. I guess not having a good team makes it difficult to put in the effort to recruit and really build up an interest base, but without doing that, the group is never going to grow. Freshmen are the life blood of any student organization and that is even more true for the Pack, given that the freshmen are mostly living on campus. Spiker seems like a smart guy and and an involved guy, so maybe his frustration leads to him taking a more hands-on approach to the student section. Otherwise I'm not sure what there is to do other than cross our fingers and hope someone comes into the DAC Pack and brings the energy it needs to grow again.
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Id argue while the team is losing is when MORE effort should be going into it. Building a base without results only makes winning that more fun and exciting and also brings people back. Getting them to buy into the program and organization is the key so that they come back even after graduation. I can tell you, as fans you can still have a wonderful experience and lots of fun even with L's piling up. In this season that is not really even the case since we have been winning most games at home, so if they can't have fun winning, they likely wont ever have fun.

Since it has been some time since i have been to the DAC (pre-upgrades), how is it any different now? I get they are behind the basket and not on the sides, but that is not new. Are the seats behind the basket now further off the court? They used to still be pretty tight onto the court. I do agree not having the "split" section takes away from the atmosphere, but even then behind the basket has never been a bad spot, especially since that section goes higher up now than it previously did. I think being behind the basket is a poor excuse for not showing up. It is very common everywhere for students to be behind the basket.

Being on the sides was fun, for sure, but there was also a reason there was only 1 season we were behind the opposing team bench. That bordered on not fair, but did give quite the advantage making teams take timeouts at the FT line. The rest had the 2 sections (behind the basket and next to the media table). That worked to promote coherence, but at the same time they had the numbers to support that. With chair backs its not an option, but the behind the net section was never a concern for many who wanted to cheer and scream. So to me that points towards lack of leadership for the organization.
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I haven't sat in the student section, but it appears that the seats go back very far, instead of high. They go back almost all the way to the back of what used to be the south gym. Seems to me like the students in the back are quite far away from the court. Maybe not compared to larger arenas, but relative to the size of the DAC, they are.

Since ticket sales are so low these days, I'd like to see them give up selling tickets in Section 9, and make that the standing only DAC Pack section. Allow students in that section so they can be closer to the action, but only on the condition that they wear gold and stand the entire game. If there is a game where chairbacks are sold out and they need to sell tickets in that section, they can always move the DAC Pack back to the student section for that particular game only. Students who don't want to be part of the DAC Pack can still sit in the student section or North GA section. I think that might be an idea to spur interest into the DAC Pack. Of course, it would take strong DAC Pack leadership and a willingness from the AD to cooperate to make that happen.
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(02-10-2020 09:08 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Since it has been some time since i have been to the DAC (pre-upgrades), how is it any different now? I get they are behind the basket and not on the sides, but that is not new. Are the seats behind the basket now further off the court? They used to still be pretty tight onto the court. I do agree not having the "split" section takes away from the atmosphere, but even then behind the basket has never been a bad spot, especially since that section goes higher up now than it previously did. I think being behind the basket is a poor excuse for not showing up. It is very common everywhere for students to be behind the basket.

i was thinking of ways the dac is different now from...let's say...2005 when we had the sam houston state game. at first i didn't think the location of the student section would matter that much...but one of the biggest things we're missing is a group of students that's a spectacle.

in other words...we're missing the passion.

fan of the year and i had some run ins on here at times...but part of what drew me to games as a freshman was seeing him flip out about something. others came behind him and it was almost a tradition of people until i left in 2010 who were entertaining when they got mad.

these days the student section is lame starting in high school so it's probably carrying over to colleges. everybody was enamored with the cameron crazies and wanted to be like them in the 2000s. now we take them for granted.

i do have a lot of respect for the few dac packers who show up...and wish they would come on the boards. it would be interesting to hear their perspective.
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Passion is certainly a key component for success. Its hard to build passion if you don't seem to care about the product on the floor. That is why making it an experience is so important. It helps build that passion. It helps give purpose to being a fan. That is also why I had said our league as a whole has not helped, as there have not been nearly as many villains. Mostly mundane boring players. Few have had hateable personalities that helped student sections thrive. Player like Cacok were great players but were hard to hate. Will Thomas or Larry Sanders or Antoine Aguido were easy to dislike and get fans pumped up about. Brantley was an easy player to dislike but he is gone now too. The CAA could use more animated showboating type players that had skill but could be universally hated.
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Also posted this on the Towson the tread, but applies here too, so....

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/02/pa...ivy-league
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Oh its definitely not just a Drexel problem. Its a sports problem everywhere. College football has issues too right now even for huge programs like Notre Dame. Thats what makes the marketing side that much more important. Differentiate yourself to get people in.

A side example is the Baltimore Ravens. Granted I know and understand the money funding each is drastically different, but they literally have an entire department dedicated round the clock to game day experiences. That means getting feedback from the fans and season ticket holders and implementing ways to keep fans interested. Fantasy football has hurt the NFL dramatically in keeping fans interested during the game, so part of what they do is finding ways to keep fans showing up which includes music choices as well as timeout entertainment (like halftime) as we as what to show throughout the stadium during breaks (like fantasy football stats around the league). But it is that type of effort to find what the fans want in their experience that makes them one of the best experiences in the league.

Same concept applies at our level in finding out what students, alumni and the local community desire out of college basketball and catering our game day experience into making them WANT to come back. If the experience is worthwhile, they will return regardless if the on court product is as good as everything else around the game day experience. Wins just help make it that much more fun.
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it seems like every sport is having the same issue with keeping people interested. i worry about the way "e-sports" are being glorified. espn is showing madden tournaments. i put a lot of the blame on espn for focusing on all the drama instead of the games. other networks followed their lead. when i was a kid...i used to watch all kinds of random sports on tv. now it's just talk shows with loud mouths.

you have to be careful with what fans want because sometimes it's stupid. at the end of the day...casual fans want to have fun and a good value. i agree with above about having a ticket deal around homecoming when the place was packed. it was mario's birthday with no other mascots. compare that to the lehigh valley phantoms who had the phanatic AND gritty at melvin's birthday on sunday...plus at least 10 other mascots.

and i do want to be careful about who is criticized here. it starts at the top for me. i looked on dd.com for marketing staff and i think i only found 1 person. that doesn't sound like adequate resources unless they just don't have everybody listed.
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It absolutely comes from the top. Investment into the program and its stance within the university absolutely matter. It is all connected
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My daughter won the diaper dash at the PSU vs. NW game today. She beat our 7 or 8 other babies for a cool trophy at halftime. I told somebody afterwards that they have done a great job filling the seats. Having a good team for a change has only been part of their surge in attendance. Turns out he was the assistant AD.
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After the wm game thurs spiker commented about home crowd and how it made it tougher to win

coincidence?

its going to be an interesting offseason......
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(02-15-2020 11:01 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  My daughter won the diaper dash at the PSU vs. NW game today. She beat our 7 or 8 other babies for a cool trophy at halftime. I told somebody afterwards that they have done a great job filling the seats. Having a good team for a change has only been part of their surge in attendance. Turns out he was the assistant AD.
I saw a video of a diaper dash on a Disney cruise. One baby crawled off the side of the mat instead of forward. My sister is talking about entering her baby in the annual contest to be the face of Gerber. Do you want to try that?
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(02-16-2020 07:47 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  After the wm game thurs spiker commented about home crowd and how it made it tougher to win

coincidence?

its going to be an interesting offseason......

I don't anticipate anything "interesting" to happen in the offseason. The only think that I do fear could happen is that Wynter might try to transfer to a team in a power conference. I can't see anybody else being a position to do that though. Next year, I think could be a critical season for Spiker. Assuming no transfers or major injuries, next year would be the year that one would expect Drexel to compete for a title. If they don't at least finish toward the top of the standings and compete for a title next year, then I would guess that it may never happen with this coach.
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(02-16-2020 04:33 PM)J.B. Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 07:47 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  After the wm game thurs spiker commented about home crowd and how it made it tougher to win

coincidence?

its going to be an interesting offseason......

I don't anticipate anything "interesting" to happen in the offseason. The only think that I do fear could happen is that Wynter might try to transfer to a team in a power conference. I can't see anybody else being a position to do that though. Next year, I think could be a critical season for Spiker. Assuming no transfers or major injuries, next year would be the year that one would expect Drexel to compete for a title. If they don't at least finish toward the top of the standings and compete for a title next year, then I would guess that it may never happen with this coach.

Maybe it’s a good time to have this discussion...

I feel like the clock starts this year. We’re finally playing with division 1 players for the most part. Wynter isn’t a freshman anymore. I would give spiker 2 years to have us in the top half. That might be generous but this whole thread lays out the inadequacies he is dealt at Drexel. He seems smart enough to walk away on his own if he thinks it’s ruining his career.

If Wynter is using Demir as a gauge to see whether a transfer is worth it...I would expect Wynter back next year. Demir is on TV a lot...setting screens and passing within the offense but not doing much else. He might have been better served staying put and being a focal point of our offense.
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(02-16-2020 09:04 PM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 04:33 PM)J.B. Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 07:47 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  After the wm game thurs spiker commented about home crowd and how it made it tougher to win

coincidence?

its going to be an interesting offseason......

I don't anticipate anything "interesting" to happen in the offseason. The only think that I do fear could happen is that Wynter might try to transfer to a team in a power conference. I can't see anybody else being a position to do that though. Next year, I think could be a critical season for Spiker. Assuming no transfers or major injuries, next year would be the year that one would expect Drexel to compete for a title. If they don't at least finish toward the top of the standings and compete for a title next year, then I would guess that it may never happen with this coach.

Maybe it’s a good time to have this discussion...

I feel like the clock starts this year. We’re finally playing with division 1 players for the most part. Wynter isn’t a freshman anymore. I would give spiker 2 years to have us in the top half. That might be generous but this whole thread lays out the inadequacies he is dealt at Drexel. He seems smart enough to walk away on his own if he thinks it’s ruining his career.

If Wynter is using Demir as a gauge to see whether a transfer is worth it...I would expect Wynter back next year. Demir is on TV a lot...setting screens and passing within the offense but not doing much else. He might have been better served staying put and being a focal point of our offense.

I don't agree with mid-major players transferring to larger conferences. I'm a fan of mid-major teams, and hate the current state of college basketball as the gap between mids and power teams get larger and larger. You would never see players transfer up, until a few years ago. Now it seems common.

Remember Terrell Allen? That's Bruiser recruited point guard on Bruiser's 6 win team that got him fired? He just scored a career high 24 I think to help Georgetown defeat nationally ranked Butler in Indianapolis.
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(02-16-2020 07:47 AM)fredsavage Wrote:  After the wm game thurs spiker commented about home crowd and how it made it tougher to win

coincidence?

its going to be an interesting offseason......

That was clearly a follow up to our home game against Towson where the question was asked and he actually answered. No coincidence at all. He definitely used the opportunity down there to let out the rest of his frustration. It bothers him, but he really is not in a place to make something happen. No coach is at any program. If you bring it up and share your thoughts with your boss aka the AD it risks straining the relationship and with the coach being the employee to the boss, a strained relationship could easily put you out of a job, so coaches are more incentivised to keep quiet and let the program handle those things. But Spiker commenting at our home game and then the following close road game seemed to be the straw that broke the camels back as far as him staying quiet about the subject publicly. Whether that encourages changes is to be seen, but I highly doubt it.
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