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AlphaFlash, I was being facetious about next season.
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Poorly coached, not sure if “coached” can describe this team .
Players are running the show and doing a poor job.
Body language of players and coaches tells all.

No discipline, lack of organization. Desire??
Too much “ME”. No “WE”

Pippen took a long 3 with us up 54-52, missed badly.
Antics on Free Throw line and subsequent disqualification
an embarrassment to Kent. Not the way I want the school to represent.

I’m done with this team, Let’s recruit players that want to learn from coaches and play as a team.

Losing to Jeff Boals, Awful.
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The sequence that you described was killer. A chance to steal momentum turned into a dud.
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(02-29-2020 07:31 AM)Older and Older Wrote:  Let’s recruit players that want to learn from coaches and play as a team.

Honestly, good luck finding those players. They are only going to get tougher and tougher to find because all the kids coming into college sports in general over the next decade represent the “trophy for participating” millennial generation.

Combine that with an unprecedented sense of entitlement, threat of transfer if I don’t get my way and you’ve got an awfully bleak outlook as fans of a mid-major university.

When it comes down to it, Kent State basketball has simply gotten stale. There is nothing spectacular about it and hasn’t been for a while. It’s reflected in the abysmal attendance and overall interest. From the players, coaches, marketing, arena; all of the above, it’s just a stale, tired product.
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Yeah that sequence was huge. They got 4 free throws and the ball. It would be like taking a bad shot then having two straight turnovers in a close game.

The 5 point play late in the second was crucial too. I still think that was improperly called. If a foul occurs during a shot and the shot goes in it's an and-one.
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It's been 18 years since they won an NCAA tournament game, so that as a selling point expired long ago. The players being recruited now aren't even old enough to remember that, and few, if any, would even be aware of it. It's been a good 7 years since they have been THE premier MAC program, so even that is ancient history to today's recruits. So, what would Senderoff have to sell the program that stands out over dozens and dozens of programs they are in competition with? Not the facilities. And as far as the university and the campus, not many care about that. I suppose we are lucky that they have been as competitive as they have been all this time.
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(02-29-2020 09:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 07:31 AM)Older and Older Wrote:  Let’s recruit players that want to learn from coaches and play as a team.

Honestly, good luck finding those players. They are only going to get tougher and tougher to find because all the kids coming into college sports in general over the next decade represent the “trophy for participating” millennial generation.

Combine that with an unprecedented sense of entitlement, threat of transfer if I don’t get my way and you’ve got an awfully bleak outlook as fans of a mid-major university.

When it comes down to it, Kent State basketball has simply gotten stale. There is nothing spectacular about it and hasn’t been for a while. It’s reflected in the abysmal attendance and overall interest. From the players, coaches, marketing, arena; all of the above, it’s just a stale, tired product.

We've never recruited ideal college basketball players. Chris Singletary, John Edwards, even Huffman were the grunts of their year's recruiting classes. We're Kent. We always got the left-overs. We just always had coaches that could work with them. We're not recruiting from a different generation than all the other schools are. The other mid-major schools are dealt the same cards, same transfer rules. Our coaches and department failed this year's seniors; both the 4-year and transfer guys. Pippen should've been our next Q. Mitch should've been our next McKee.
I've said it before, 2017 was a result of Jimmy Hall having a bomastic weekend and Ackron having an off night at an opportune time. And Sendy walked away with the credit.
I'm going to go to the Ackron game Friday, just so we don't have as a weak showing as they did at out place. I'm probably going to sit silently. Maybe if we lose and don't get past the MAC-T, Senderhoff will be on some sort of a hot seat. Although he dosen't have to do much to win over Joel.
Effing good-ole boy's club.
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(02-29-2020 09:11 AM)JimJoyce Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 07:31 AM)Older and Older Wrote:  Let’s recruit players that want to learn from coaches and play as a team.

Honestly, good luck finding those players. They are only going to get tougher and tougher to find because all the kids coming into college sports in general over the next decade represent the “trophy for participating” millennial generation.

Combine that with an unprecedented sense of entitlement, threat of transfer if I don’t get my way and you’ve got an awfully bleak outlook as fans of a mid-major university.

When it comes down to it, Kent State basketball has simply gotten stale. There is nothing spectacular about it and hasn’t been for a while. It’s reflected in the abysmal attendance and overall interest. From the players, coaches, marketing, arena; all of the above, it’s just a stale, tired product.
Best evaluation I've read in a while. Keep in mind how many former players we've had on the staff as well to foster stagnation. I have gotten accustomed to the pre-season hype about player athleticism and putting stock in wins over weak opponents - right now our best win looks to be Wright State. I view Sendy as very similar to Hawkins at WMU - do enough to hold a job - mind you I'm not saying it's an easy job given today's athletes.
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I think one of my biggest complaints about the Senderoff era is how short his rotations are and how the message being sent to players, at least from the outside looking in, looks to be inconsistent. We always here that you have to keep today's players happy or they'll transfer but a lot of the young guys that transfer I completely understand. They don't see a path for them to get in the rotation any time soon. If you let them stay in the rotation and work through the early growing pains they might be willing to stick around and you might not have so much turnover every year.

A great example of this is DeAndre Gholston. Gholston was an early commit so he was committed for over a year. Near the end of his Sr season it looked like he was going to be a big part of the future plans at Kent. Our biggest problem was lack of size on the perimeter and we were only returning 3 rotation players on the perimeter, two of which would be Srs. To add to that, Gholston was having a great Sr season.

Then the season ended and we went out and added Williams, Williamson, and Roberts so now Gholston would have to beat out at least one of them to earn a rotation spot. He didn't do it, and was never really given a chance in games. When he would get in he'd get a quick hook for any mistake. At the same time regular rotation players were making bad decisions or getting technicals to hurt the team but not seeing their minutes change. That's the inconsistent message I'm talking about. Jaylin Walker can get a tech everything other game and still gets to shoot as many shots as he wants. But Gholston (potentially the future of the program) can be slow on a defensive rotation and not play anymore.

I have a feeling we haven't heard the last of Gholston either. He's currently averaging near 12 ppg and over 5 rpg while shooting over 50% from the floor and over 40% from three. He's the third leading scorer on the #10 ranked JUCO team. One spot ahead of teammate and former Florida rotation player turned Akron mega transfer Eric Hester. To put that in perspective, current post player recruit Gabe O'Neal is the 6th leading scorer (9.5) and is averaging 5.7 rpg for the 5th ranked JUCO team. What I'm getting at is, if a player matching Gholston's JUCO production signed with us next month and we had no history with him we'd all probably be pretty pumped and he'd probably step right into a rotation spot... A spot he could've been holding for 4 years.
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Another thing I'll add, Gholston is also having a better season on a higher ranked team than our other JUCO recruit James Jordan who is a similar sized similar position player to Gholston. Jordan's the 7th ranked scorer on the 23rd ranked JUCO team. He had some injuries earlier in the year though.
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So where was Roberts?? I saw DP at the foul lineup trash talking. Wasn't long after that he was ejected from the game. Detroit street wise anthics. Not good. We gave the game away with stupid poor play and technicals plain and simple. It was painful watching Kent just play into the hands off Ohio.
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Spectator sports are entertainment for the spectators. I just don't find Kent State basketball, and basketball in general at all levels, nearly as entertaining as I once did. And it goes much deeper than the won-loss record for me. Rules changes over the years, the styles of play, the attitudes of many of the players have all played a role. I actually enjoy football more than basketball now and that was never the case for me before in my 60+ of following sports. Sure, if the team this year was in first place I'd probably be all hyped, but there were many years in the past when they were below .500 when I still enjoyed very much attending a Kent State basketball game.
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Roberts, groin injury in pre-game warm ups
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(02-29-2020 07:31 AM)Older and Older Wrote:  Poorly coached, not sure if “coached” can describe this team .
Players are running the show and doing a poor job.
Body language of players and coaches tells all.

No discipline, lack of organization. Desire??
Too much “ME”. No “WE”

Pippen took a long 3 with us up 54-52, missed badly.
Antics on Free Throw line and subsequent disqualification
an embarrassment to Kent. Not the way I want the school to represent.

I’m done with this team, Let’s recruit players that want to learn from coaches and play as a team.

Losing to Jeff Boals, Awful.

Pippen in particular has terrible body language. He just looks disinterested.
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Burden, it would be OK with me if Pippen moves on. I wouldn't mind seeing the rotation next year, with the exception of Roberts and maybe Beck, all new.
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Great comments by all. Sounds like we all share similar sentiments.

Totally agree, I was all in on Basketball 110%. Not so much anymore
Not sure if it’s “old” age , stubborn cynicism, or just the changes documented above

Kent’s new practice facility a plus, EXCEPT everyone has them now, we were the last. Lost several good coaches last 20 years because we didn’t have.
Not that a new facility would change things but MAC center is a big negative, It’s a dump.

We will see a lot of turnover in roster next year, Count on it.
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(02-29-2020 11:56 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Spectator sports are entertainment for the spectators. I just don't find Kent State basketball, and basketball in general at all levels, nearly as entertaining as I once did. And it goes much deeper than the won-loss record for me. Rules changes over the years, the styles of play, the attitudes of many of the players have all played a role. I actually enjoy football more than basketball now and that was never the case for me before in my 60+ of following sports. Sure, if the team this year was in first place I'd probably be all hyped, but there were many years in the past when they were below .500 when I still enjoyed very much attending a Kent State basketball game.

Muskrat - tend to agree - I sat through the losing years of the early 70s but enjoyed the games. I was a huge fan of the three point shot but now I'm not so sure it's making the game better. I was at the Akron - BG game Akron was completely undisciplined going 0-14 then 1-21 from three it was a joke - BG fans were egging them on to shoot - it wasn't the kind of basketball I learned to or enjoyed to play
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(02-29-2020 04:55 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Burden, it would be OK with me if Pippen moves on. I wouldn't mind seeing the rotation next year, with the exception of Roberts and maybe Beck, all new.

Agree. Addition by subtraction. He is out there to get his points.
It doesn't matter what the game situation is, time on the shot clock, time in the game, score, etc. Selfish.
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(02-29-2020 05:45 PM)Skinny Pete Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 04:55 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Burden, it would be OK with me if Pippen moves on. I wouldn't mind seeing the rotation next year, with the exception of Roberts and maybe Beck, all new.

Agree. Addition by subtraction. He is out there to get his points.
It doesn't matter what the game situation is, time on the shot clock, time in the game, score, etc. Selfish.

Late to the party but will agree this team has become selfish (Pippen) and most importantly, seems to have absolutely no player leadership.

Perhaps the biggest lesson is one can't expect a team of mish-mash seniors to suddenly become cohesive in this day and age of college basketball without a true 'Alpha' to lead the way.

I'm sure one or two of these guys consider themselves to be Alpha's, but if that was truly the case, this team would be much better.

I thought 2018-2019 KSU basketball greatly overachieved considering the roster talent on hand. I think 2019-2020 has greatly underachieved with a much more diversified roster. The difference is 18-19 played together and understood their roles.

This team particularly the last month .... eh.
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According to verbal commits we made our first offer in several weeks. I always find it interesting to see who we start offering this time of year because it's an indication of what the coaches expect to be the weak spots in next year's roster. The offer was to a 6'6" JUCO PF named Jermaine Marshall. He's only a freshman though so I'm not sure if he's an offer for next year or 2021 though. He's the leading rebounder and third leading scorer on the #1 JC team, so he would be a big get especially if he has 3 years.
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