And wowza, Governor Abbott just mandated masks in indoor settings in pretty much every county (the few exceptions being the rural counties with 20 or fewer cases). And county officials or mayors can limit outdoor gatherings to 10 or fewer people (with the exception being protests? Another shocker he'd include that caveat).

I'm sure that's coming in Harris County. Probably the neighboring counties too.

(07-02-2020 04:09 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And wowza, Governor Abbott just mandated masks in indoor settings in pretty much every county (the few exceptions being the rural counties with 20 or fewer cases). And county officials or mayors can limit outdoor gatherings to 10 or fewer people (with the exception being protests? Another shocker he'd include that caveat).
I'm sure that's coming in Harris County. Probably the neighboring counties too.

I'd have made masks mandatory long ago. I'd have had about a two week shutdown at the start--no international flights, no stock exchange trading, no non-essential businesses open. I would have used that period to
- get testing started in a big way by kicking CDC and FDA in the ass either to approve the WHO test or to come up with our own, and to get state, local, and private organizations making and interpreting tests ASAP, and use the National Guard to set up mobile testing facilities away from hospitals, doctors' offices, and ERs; then have the National Guard set up mobile hospitals to catch the overflow in places that were filling up
- get the best minds together--by Zoom to set an example--to analyze what was working and what was not working in other countries
- isolate at-risk populations, particularly from anyone who might have the disease

At the end of that period, I would have said you can open if you require masks of employees and customers. Your call, masks you can reopen, no masks no reopen.

(07-02-2020 04:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 04:09 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And wowza, Governor Abbott just mandated masks in indoor settings in pretty much every county (the few exceptions being the rural counties with 20 or fewer cases). And county officials or mayors can limit outdoor gatherings to 10 or fewer people (with the exception being protests? Another shocker he'd include that caveat).
I'm sure that's coming in Harris County. Probably the neighboring counties too.

I'd have made masks mandatory long ago. I'd have had about a two week shutdown at the start--no international flights, no stock exchange trading, no non-essential businesses open. I would have used that period to
- get testing started in a big way by kicking CDC and FDA in the ass either to approve the WHO test or to come up with our own, and to get state, local, and private organizations making and interpreting tests ASAP, and use the National Guard to set up mobile testing facilities away from hospitals, doctors' offices, and ERs; then have the National Guard set up mobile hospitals to catch the overflow in places that were filling up
- get the best minds together--by Zoom to set an example--to analyze what was working and what was not working in other countries
- isolate at-risk populations, particularly from anyone who might have the disease

At the end of that period, I would have said you can open if you require masks of employees and customers. Your call, masks you can reopen, no masks no reopen.

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

We’re seeing all too clearly that anyone doing a spiking of the football basically has egg on their face (see DeSantis), and even those who seemingly handled the initial wave effectively, are having trouble handling reopening (see Newsom). New York recently decided to pull back on reopening, and we’ll see if continued high mask use and reduction in indoor gatherings keeps cases low there.

Hopefully Texas will see the trend break - but I’m guessing we won’t for another week or two. But maybe deaths will not catch up - they’re typically lagging.

(07-02-2020 04:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 04:09 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  And wowza, Governor Abbott just mandated masks in indoor settings in pretty much every county (the few exceptions being the rural counties with 20 or fewer cases). And county officials or mayors can limit outdoor gatherings to 10 or fewer people (with the exception being protests? Another shocker he'd include that caveat).
I'm sure that's coming in Harris County. Probably the neighboring counties too.

I'd have made masks mandatory long ago. I'd have had about a two week shutdown at the start--no international flights, no stock exchange trading, no non-essential businesses open. I would have used that period to
- get testing started in a big way by kicking CDC and FDA in the ass either to approve the WHO test or to come up with our own, and to get state, local, and private organizations making and interpreting tests ASAP, and use the National Guard to set up mobile testing facilities away from hospitals, doctors' offices, and ERs; then have the National Guard set up mobile hospitals to catch the overflow in places that were filling up
- get the best minds together--by Zoom to set an example--to analyze what was working and what was not working in other countries
- isolate at-risk populations, particularly from anyone who might have the disease

At the end of that period, I would have said you can open if you require masks of employees and customers. Your call, masks you can reopen, no masks no reopen.

That’s a great plan, Owl69. I just hope it’ll be in effect for the next pandemic.

(07-02-2020 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

Hmm.... so no liberals/Democrats would have declared themselves unneedful of masks? How interesting. My experience is that the younger the person, the more likely they are to be maskless - and aren't younger people more liberal?
Are those all Young Republicans we see partying n the beaches? Are they chugging beer while holding up their YR membership cards?

For myself, I wear a mask anytime I am not at home or in my car. It seems that the businesses I go to - grocery store, pharmacy, post office, doctor's office,fast food, car dealership - require masks of their employees. Must be run by non-conservatives.

But, being a conservative, if somebody else is not wearing a mask, I say nothing - that's their business. I respect their right to choose. Call me pro-choice.

If you are called a socialist/communist, it should only be because you support socialist/communist programs, such as wealth confiscation and redistribution, AKA, wealth taxes, estate taxes, etc. If the shoe fits...

(07-02-2020 08:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 07:39 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

Hmm.... so no liberals/Democrats would have declared themselves unneedful of masks? How interesting. My experience is that the younger the person, the more likely they are to be maskless - and aren't younger people more liberal?
Are those all Young Republicans we see partying n the beaches? Are they chugging beer while holding up their YR membership cards?

For myself, I wear a mask anytime I am not at home or in my car. It seems that the businesses I go to - grocery store, pharmacy, post office, doctor's office,fast food, car dealership - require masks of their employees. Must be run by non-conservatives.

But, being a conservative, if somebody else is not wearing a mask, I say nothing - that's their business. I respect their right to choose. Call me pro-choice.

If you are called a socialist/communist, it should only be because you support socialist/communist programs, such as wealth confiscation and redistribution, AKA, wealth taxes, estate taxes, etc. If the shoe fits...

My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on):

Quote: “These kind of confused government policies fuel public anger — and rightfully so,” tweeted Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, the former radio and TV broadcaster. The Republican described the order as “ultimate government overreach.”

“I support common-sense encouragement of face coverings. But NOT a fine up to $1000 for not wearing one,” tweeted freshman Houston-area Rep. Dan Crenshaw, who is up for re-election this November. “There is no need to threaten citizens during a crisis.”

Harris County GOP Chairman Paul Simpson blasted Hidalgo’s decision as “unnecessary and excessive” and reflective of her “inexperience.” Hidalgo was a first-time candidate for public office when she narrowly defeated Republican incumbent Ed Emmett in 2018.

“Judge Hidalgo should focus on solutions that provide relief, help people get back on their feet and support Gov. Abbott's effective decision-making and leadership, rather than issue her own misguided, irresponsible orders,” Simpson scolded.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houston...226156.php

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

(06-27-2020 04:01 PM)seniorowl Wrote:  Mersey, red or blue (not politics, you know what I’m talking about)? YNWA

Sorry I've been off this board for a while. I'm Blue shite. Have been for nearly 30 years. My son was turned in primary school and he's now Red shite. A divided house.

So the Reds won the Premier League for the first time in thirty years. Seems about the right interval for me.

Really enjoyed last night's match - Man City 4, Liverpool 0. Their first match as Premier League champions they were played off the pitch by the second place team.

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

Yet you made a huge blanket statement about the state of Texas and Republicans over all. Are you now walking that strdency back?

Funny, the mask order in Fredericksburg was met with little to no resistance. I guess the one thing you mention above makes conservatives (and Texas) signed, sealed and delivered for you.

And, there are a fkload more Trump 2020 signs in Gillespie County than there are in Harris (which I would assume to be close to zero, actually). And, I dont think I have seen a single Biden bumper sticker on a local car, nor any Biden signs adorning front yards.

No offense lad, the shrillness of your voice has made you lose some of the consistency and attention to detail that was once exhibited.

By the way, still looking forward to your deconstruction of the Inhofe book that you trotted out as evidence a little bit back. Or, you can simply state that you havent read it, and as such either made a huge jump in assumptions or simply are parroting a talking point blindly.

(07-03-2020 08:01 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

Yet you made a huge blanket statement about the state of Texas and Republicans over all. Are you now walking that strdency back?

Funny, the mask order in Fredericksburg was met with little to no resistance. I guess the one thing you mention above makes conservatives (and Texas) signed, sealed and delivered for you.

And, there are a fkload more Trump 2020 signs in Gillespie County than there are in Harris (which I would assume to be close to zero, actually). And, I dont think I have seen a single Biden bumper sticker on a local car, nor any Biden signs adorning front yards.

No offense lad, the shrillness of your voice has made you lose some of the consistency and attention to detail that was once exhibited.

By the way, still looking forward to your deconstruction of the Inhofe book that you trotted out as evidence a little bit back. Or, you can simply state that you havent read it, and as such either made a huge jump in assumptions or simply are parroting a talking point blindly.

When did the mask order go into affect? Did they try and implement it in April when Hildalgo did? No, they didn’t.

The whole point, which you completely blew past (seemingly with great intention), was that Owl#s said he would have implemented a mask order long ago. The key was LONG AGO. I told him that some counties tried that, and were castigated by Republican officials and protestors, and the state even took away their power to implement the orders.

Did Abbott undercut the Gillespie County’s ability to implement their face mask mandate in April? No, because they didn’t try and implement these orders long ago.

People, including Abbott, are now on board with mask orders because cases are clearly surging. They were not on board with mask orders before cases were surging, when Owl#s would have implemented masks.

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

(07-03-2020 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

(07-03-2020 08:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:20 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  My comment was clearly about the response to a mask order - not sure how you misunderstood that to be a commentary on who is going out and frequenting bars.

My comment was based on responses like this to Hidalgo’s attempt to enact mandatory mask wearing back in late April (which Abbott eventually overruled and now back tracked on)

Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

Whoooosh.

This keeps going over your head. I guess practice makes perfect when it comes to ignoring what I say.

(07-03-2020 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 11:57 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Not sure how you misunderstood and thought I was commenting on people in bars. Clearly was talking about beaches.

My point is that a lot of the people not wearing masks (anywhere) were not necessarily conservatives. From the age range, a lot of them are most likely liberals.

Sorry you are upset about being called a socialist just because you support them. So unfair.

As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

Whoooosh.

This keeps going over your head. I guess practice makes perfect when it comes to ignoring what I say.

This is incredible. You’ve completely missed the point of my original post, which was about the responses we saw in Texas to an early-adopting mask requirement, and now you’ve tried to flip it around on me. I even provided direct quotes and referenced actual events to back up the hypothetical response.

Astounding gymnastics! What a dance! Anything to try and save face for your team, which has a bunch of ******* egg on it in Texas (Abbott has handled the pandemic almost as poorly as anyone in the country, save Arizona and NYC’s initial response).

Yes, the current people not wearing masks appear to skew young, and that would lead one to believe that it also skews liberal (because younger people generally skew liberal). However, we don’t actually have good data on that, so it is just a guess (but an informed one).

But I ask, what side of the political spectrum has been more likely to publicly protest government orders regarding COVID-19 responses? Either mask requirements or reopening requirements?

Just admit your team was late to the game in Texas (Rep governors in other states did well, like Ohio and Maryland), which is the state I referenced in my original comment...

(07-03-2020 09:17 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 06:03 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  As Ham loves to say, you’re not this dumb... I don’t think...

Again, I am talking about how people responded publicly to mask orders, not who was or wasn’t most likely to comply.

I don’t have a good idea of what the breakdown of compliance is with regards to actual mask wearing, and if compliance is significantly higher for people who identify as Democrats or Republicans.

What I do know, is that Republican leaders threw a fit when Hidalgo tried to implement a mask requirement earlier, which is why I said Owl#s would have had a hell of a time trying to implement a mask requirement earlier (like Hidalgo tried) in Texas.

When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

Whoooosh.

This keeps going over your head. I guess practice makes perfect when it comes to ignoring what I say.

This is incredible. You’ve completely missed the point of my original post, which was about the responses we saw in Texas to an early-adopting mask requirement, and now you’ve tried to flip it around on me. I even provided direct quotes and referenced actual events to back up the hypothetical response.

Astounding gymnastics! What a dance! Anything to try and save face for your team, which has a bunch of ******* egg on it in Texas (Abbott has handled the pandemic almost as poorly as anyone in the country, save Arizona and NYC’s initial response).

Yes, the current people not wearing masks appear to skew young, and that would lead one to believe that it also skews liberal (because younger people generally skew liberal). However, we don’t actually have good data on that, so it is just a guess (but an informed one).

But I ask, what side of the political spectrum has been more likely to publicly protest government orders regarding COVID-19 responses? Either mask requirements or reopening requirements?

Just admit your team was late to the game in Texas (Rep governors in other states did well, like Ohio and Maryland), which is the state I referenced in my original comment...

I have learned not to argue with my delusional sister. I need to translate that ability to here.

The first eleven words of your last paragraph betray your motivation, which is a very team-oriented one. Just admit your bias and the cherrypicking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/reside...li=BBnb7Kz

(07-03-2020 09:21 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:17 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:46 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  When they show pictures of people crowding the beaches without masks and distancing, they are overwhelmingly young - a demographic that skews left.

When I go to places like grocery stores, the younger the people, the less likely the mask.

So, I felt this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, if you were in Texas, you would have been derided by many conservatives as being a socialist/communist for taking away people’s freedoms, and Dan Patrick himself would probably have started a campaign to get you impeached.

...was both inaccurate and unnecessary. It implies the people not wearing masks are all conservatives standing up for their rights. I know that sometimes it is just too tempting to not get a little dig in about the other team - heck, I do it myself - but neither of us should expect those to go unchallenged.

Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

Whoooosh.

This keeps going over your head. I guess practice makes perfect when it comes to ignoring what I say.

This is incredible. You’ve completely missed the point of my original post, which was about the responses we saw in Texas to an early-adopting mask requirement, and now you’ve tried to flip it around on me. I even provided direct quotes and referenced actual events to back up the hypothetical response.

Astounding gymnastics! What a dance! Anything to try and save face for your team, which has a bunch of ******* egg on it in Texas (Abbott has handled the pandemic almost as poorly as anyone in the country, save Arizona and NYC’s initial response).

Yes, the current people not wearing masks appear to skew young, and that would lead one to believe that it also skews liberal (because younger people generally skew liberal). However, we don’t actually have good data on that, so it is just a guess (but an informed one).

But I ask, what side of the political spectrum has been more likely to publicly protest government orders regarding COVID-19 responses? Either mask requirements or reopening requirements?

Just admit your team was late to the game in Texas (Rep governors in other states did well, like Ohio and Maryland), which is the state I referenced in my original comment...

I have learned not to argue with my delusional sister. I need to translate that ability to here.

The first eleven words of your last paragraph betray your motivation, which is a very team-oriented one. Just admit your bias and the cherrypicking.

OO, how am I cherry picking? That would imply that Republicans in Texas were also supportive of the early implementation of mask requirements, but I chose to ignore them.

Can you provide me examples of Republicans in Texas supporting mask requirements back in April or May?

(07-03-2020 09:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:21 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:17 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 09:04 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-03-2020 08:54 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Are you ******* kidding me?

I literally provided direct quotes from MULTIPLE Republican officials who derided Hidalgo for implementing a mask order in April. And there was a protest by non-officials against the mask order in April.

It says nothing about who is or isn’t wearing a mask, but who publicly condemned a mask order early in the game, like Owl#s was saying he would have done.

Seriously, how are you not getting this????

Whoooosh.

This keeps going over your head. I guess practice makes perfect when it comes to ignoring what I say.

This is incredible. You’ve completely missed the point of my original post, which was about the responses we saw in Texas to an early-adopting mask requirement, and now you’ve tried to flip it around on me. I even provided direct quotes and referenced actual events to back up the hypothetical response.

Astounding gymnastics! What a dance! Anything to try and save face for your team, which has a bunch of ******* egg on it in Texas (Abbott has handled the pandemic almost as poorly as anyone in the country, save Arizona and NYC’s initial response).

Yes, the current people not wearing masks appear to skew young, and that would lead one to believe that it also skews liberal (because younger people generally skew liberal). However, we don’t actually have good data on that, so it is just a guess (but an informed one).

But I ask, what side of the political spectrum has been more likely to publicly protest government orders regarding COVID-19 responses? Either mask requirements or reopening requirements?

Just admit your team was late to the game in Texas (Rep governors in other states did well, like Ohio and Maryland), which is the state I referenced in my original comment...

I have learned not to argue with my delusional sister. I need to translate that ability to here.

The first eleven words of your last paragraph betray your motivation, which is a very team-oriented one. Just admit your bias and the cherrypicking.

OO, how am I cherry picking? That would imply that Republicans in Texas were also supportive of the early implementation of mask requirements, but I chose to ignore them.

Can you provide me examples of Republicans in Texas supporting mask requirements back in April or May?

Well, me for one. Several people I know. The older or more ill, the more likely to support it. The younger and healthier, the less likely.

One last time: I am not saying that many Republicans did not resist: I am saying there were also many Democrats right with them. You keep trying to make this a GOP-only thing. That of course is due to bias.

Going in to town now for a haircut. I will wear my mask, as i expect the barber will. If I see somebody without one, shall I ask their political affiliation?