Just imagine how good we could be if we could score and not turn the ball over a million times. I’m surprised those things haven’t improved over the season.

(02-27-2020 04:06 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Just imagine how good we could be if we could score and not turn the ball over a million times. I’m surprised those things haven’t improved over the season.

No doubt our offense has greatly lowered the ceiling of this team. The thing is, turnovers have been getting better. In December we averaged 18 pg. January it was 17. February it was 14. Until last game. For the 6 games before SMU, our average was actually a respectable 13.

SMU was just a bad offensive game all around.

Yep

Great column, thanks for posting.

Thank you for the find.

I do not understand why the CA's Mark G gives the Griz a pass but is critical at times with the Tigers and at Penny. Folks like Borzello and even Caulkins understand losing two top players torpedoed the season and changed expectations. The reasons he gives in his 2/27/20 column for the difference in Mark's attitude between the Griz and the Tigers are specious at best and deliberately malicious at worse - IMO.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...856978002/

Great article to reflect upon AFTER the season is done. Not so good during a season when you are still attempting to achieve wins, get a tourney bid & fight to the end of the season. It just gives everyone associated with the program an excuse to rest on what they have done & under achieve with some justification.

I'm just not for giving anyone a pass at this point given the talent on this team, yes the talent here now & playing.

(02-27-2020 11:38 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:37 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  excerpt...

One big thing has stood out to opposing coaches: There haven't been too many rumblings or rumors of locker room issues or any sign of chemistry problems on the court -- two things that generally happen on teams that don't live up to preseason expectations.

See: Josh Pastner’s Tiger teams

And Josh’s players never played hard, particularly on the defensive end.

(02-27-2020 05:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Thank you for the find.

I do not understand why the CA's Mark G gives the Griz a pass but is critical at times with the Tigers and at Penny. Folks like Borzello and even Caulkins understand losing two top players torpedoed the season and changed expectations. The reasons he gives in his 2/27/20 column for the difference in Mark's attitude between the Griz and the Tigers are specious at best and deliberately malicious at worse - IMO.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...856978002/

Haven't read the column - and don't want to give the CA the click. What's the skinny from MG?

It is funny the difference in how the media is handling the two teams. I understand preseason expectations and all that. MG has said regardless of changing expectations with the Tigers, it's okay to critique game by game, play by play. On podcasts, he picks apart game situations and criticizes. It's hindsight coaching in text book form. I have not heard him do this with the Grizz.

(02-27-2020 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:04 PM)Tiger Joe Wrote:  Great article. It definitely does not fit the narrative of the Penny Haters. I didn't realize there were this many people within our own fan base that cannot grasp this simple reality.

our fanbase is for the most part really dum

I wouldn't go that far. But expectations tend to be set way too high for basketball. It's always been that way.

(02-27-2020 11:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  excerpt...

"He doesn't have a player on his team better than Jeremiah Martin was last year," one opposing coach said. "So you're replacing your best player. Nobody could guard that dude. He's a dominating, loud figure in your program. Penny is replacing his whole leadership infrastructure. That takes time. He's had to deal with that on the fly this year."

Precious is a better player than Martin. But we don’t have a single player that’s even 50% capable of going and getting a shot like Martin could. Give that dude the ball with 12 seconds on the clock and he’d come up with something. That’s a huge release valve when a team is struggling on offense.

(02-27-2020 05:53 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  excerpt...

"He doesn't have a player on his team better than Jeremiah Martin was last year," one opposing coach said. "So you're replacing your best player. Nobody could guard that dude. He's a dominating, loud figure in your program. Penny is replacing his whole leadership infrastructure. That takes time. He's had to deal with that on the fly this year."

Precious is a better player than Martin. But we don’t have a single player that’s even 50% capable of going and getting a shot like Martin could. Give that dude the ball with 12 seconds on the clock and he’d come up with something. That’s a huge release valve when a team is struggling on offense.

But we do have a couple who think they can & are more than willing to attempt it, again & again.

(02-27-2020 05:32 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 05:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Thank you for the find.

I do not understand why the CA's Mark G gives the Griz a pass but is critical at times with the Tigers and at Penny. Folks like Borzello and even Caulkins understand losing two top players torpedoed the season and changed expectations. The reasons he gives in his 2/27/20 column for the difference in Mark's attitude between the Griz and the Tigers are specious at best and deliberately malicious at worse - IMO.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...856978002/

Haven't read the column - and don't want to give the CA the click. What's the skinny from MG?

It is funny the difference in how the media is handling the two teams. I understand preseason expectations and all that. MG has said regardless of changing expectations with the Tigers, it's okay to critique game by game, play by play. On podcasts, he picks apart game situations and criticizes. It's hindsight coaching in text book form. I have not heard him do this with the Grizz.

Mark plays the expectations game. He said despite the Griz four game losing streak and blowouts , "I ’ll take this (bleep) over what I expected this (bleep) to look like before the season began." The bleep is Ja's expression of his disappointment. FWIW, I agree with Mark's assessment of the Griz's season to date and I am pleased with the direction of the program.

Mark later stated it is a fair argument that the Tigers deserve a pass if the Griz get a pass due to injuries, but then goes for the reasons the Tigers do not deserve a pass.

His reasons follow:
1. Some teams beating the Tigers (e.g, SMU) do not have superstars like LeBron James.

2. The Tigers season started with NC aspirations with a stellar recruiting class while the Griz were in a rebuilding mode via the draft.

3. The Griz have more games to make the playoffs than the Tigers have to earn an at large NCAA Tourney spot.

4. The Griz core roster (eg., Morant) is known for the next few years but "who knows" the Tigers roster next season.

Mark conveniently overlooks:

1. The Tigers are without one of the best players in the NCAA and the third best player on their team. The Griz still have their best player and the injured players are no where close to the relative magnitude of talent lost compared to Wiseman. Losing Wisemen and DJ is like the best teams in the NBA losing an elite player and their third best player.

2. The Griz lost to lowly NOLA, Chicago, Phoenix, Golden St, and Cleveland. Losing to GS (the worse NBA team by far) is like the Tigers losing to a decent low major. Those NBA teams did not feature players like James and yet the Griz lost to them.

3. The Tigers entered the season expecting to win it all under a full roster. Vegas gave the Tigers good odds to win a NC. When Wisemen departed, the odds drastically widened.

4. The composition of the Tiger roster or the Griz roster next year is unknown. Mark uses speculation to support his point rather than facts.

I do not understand why Mark refuses to give both teams a pass for this season given the circumstances.

(02-27-2020 05:53 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  excerpt...

"He doesn't have a player on his team better than Jeremiah Martin was last year," one opposing coach said. "So you're replacing your best player. Nobody could guard that dude. He's a dominating, loud figure in your program. Penny is replacing his whole leadership infrastructure. That takes time. He's had to deal with that on the fly this year."

Precious is a better player than Martin. But we don’t have a single player that’s even 50% capable of going and getting a shot like Martin could. Give that dude the ball with 12 seconds on the clock and he’d come up with something. That’s a huge release valve when a team is struggling on offense.

Precious is 10x better defensive player than Martin...

Martin was 10x better offensive player than Precious.

In light of this fairly objective review of our team and their performance issues so far this year, I would like to say thanks to all for their valuable input on Penny's filings, Alo's atrocious performance, Tyler's diminutive size, Isaiah's lack of toughness (oh wait, that was me), and on and on and on and on.....

That said, and also relative to this article: Shut the F up you whiny know-nothings.

(02-27-2020 06:28 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  In light of this fairly objective review of our team and their performance issues so far this year, I would like to say thanks to all for their valuable input on Penny's filings, Alo's atrocious performance, Tyler's diminutive size, Isaiah's lack of toughness (oh wait, that was me), and on and on and on and on.....

That said, and also relative to this article: Shut the F up you whiny know-nothings.

Amen. Talk about our coaches and players need to be better. Our fans need to do be better. This BS gets very old.

Man

(02-27-2020 05:09 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Thank you for the find.

I do not understand why the CA's Mark G gives the Griz a pass but is critical at times with the Tigers and at Penny. Folks like Borzello and even Caulkins understand losing two top players torpedoed the season and changed expectations. The reasons he gives in his 2/27/20 column for the difference in Mark's attitude between the Griz and the Tigers are specious at best and deliberately malicious at worse - IMO.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sp...856978002/

I’ve heard him being critical of the Grizz and his criticism of the Tigers is reasonable. I’ve not heard him treat either in extremes in either direction. Sometimes a fan’s ear has too much bias and sometimes it’s too sensitive.

Present company excluded of course.

(02-27-2020 12:04 PM)Tiger Joe Wrote:  Great article. It definitely does not fit the narrative of the Penny Haters. I didn't realize there were this many people within our own fan base that cannot grasp this simple reality.

We certainly have a lot of “Ricky Bobbies” (if you ain’t 1st you’re the worst”) in the fan base it seems.

(02-27-2020 02:45 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:04 PM)Tiger Joe Wrote:  Great article. It definitely does not fit the narrative of the Penny Haters. I didn't realize there were this many people within our own fan base that cannot grasp this simple reality.

our fanbase is for the most part really dum

Maybe. I wouldn't say most.

The loudest part is really dumb though.

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Parrish had Borzello on his show yesterday. He said that 2 years ago one of the AAC coaches wasn't fond of Penny because of the Tubby thing. So he expected this guy to be negative about Penny but he was pretty complementary. He said he was surprised about 2 things. One that none of the other coaches thought Penny couldn't coach and that there wasn't a lot of talk about dissension among Tiger players.