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RE: Good Grief - This Idiocy at WMU Too?
Here's the Herald's article. It's by a guy who does a lot of sports coverage for them too. https://www.westernherald.com/community_...ed23f.html

A mostly white choir and audience sang along to black spirituals. A black woman said she didn't think that was respectful, and then the Black Student Union agreed with her. It looks like conservative media has ginned up some outrage about this story, and so here we are.

The idea that white audiences shouldn't sing black spirituals is probably really new to a lot of mostly older white people. It might sound outrageous to you. I'd encourage you all to try to listen. Reaching for (frankly preposterous) connections to Gramsci is such a deflection. Denying that white privilege exists in the US I think shows you just haven't taken the matter seriously or approached it with an open mind.

I'm 28, so I went to college when these kinds of issues and discussions were the norm. At first, some of the ideas seemed pretty out there to me, too. For example, the idea that racism is still plays a big role in US society (undeniably true) sounded crazy to me in like 2010. I think a big part of the reason for that is because I grew up with pretty limited exposure to the thinking and ideas of people who weren't white (i.e. people who experience racism). When I did hear those other perspectives, I was often pretty closed off to them. I was not as likely to take them seriously. I went to Michigan (please forgive me) and I remember when the hashtag #beingblackatuofm started going around on social media. Black students were talking about their experiences with racism on campus. I remember being highly skeptical I think because those experiences were so different from mine. How could there be a racism problem on campus if I wasn't seeing it?

In hindsight, I see that as a very arrogant, closed-minded, and ultimately racist attitude that blocked the possibility of me seeing the world as it actually is. Over time, I learned to listen more and learn more. I regret all the times I didn't listen. There is no objective, scientific correct answer on whether or not it is disrespectful for a mostly white choir and audience to sing black spirituals. But if you're white, and you find yourself blocking out and ridiculing black voices you disagree with, then you're not actually trying to answer the question at all. You're just trying to protect the little intellectual safe space you've made for yourself, where racism is a thing of the past, cultural appropriation is an absurd concept, and those college campuses are out of control.
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Conservatives got pissed because they said 'don't sing it. It's racist.'

(02-27-2020 10:42 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Nonsense like this is why I stopped donating to WMU. I wrote them several times first complaining about their slide towards PC, but they either didn't get my message or ignored it.

I guess they don't need donations from conservative alumni? There are other more appreciative groups I donate to these days, that are sensible enough to recognize that people of ALL political persuasions donate funds. Western doesn't have to embrace my political views and I don't expect them to, but they don't need to-continually-stick their thumb in our eyes. Not smart, to say the least.

There's some conservative groups - and even conservative professors - on campus. They're in the minority - as to be expected - but they're there.

What 'slide towards PC' did you notice?
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(02-27-2020 09:51 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  The sister makes a comment around her study of black culture and all the white men get all bent out of shape. I’m saying, what is the harm. Try to listen a bit if you are actually interested. It doesn’t have to be all hostile. It’s just a simple conversation about micro aggression. No biggie where white men have to butt in where they are not qualified or wanted.


Not qualified? How do I qualify? Change my race? What a dumb statement. Not wanted? If she didn't want people to weigh in on this issue, why did she draw attention to it and herself? It appears you are saying that only those with the 'correct' views on things are welcome.

Micro aggressions and cultural appropriation are silly concepts. Just more reasons for people to complain about something. As if there are not enough real and serious issues for people to be upset/complain about. The concept of microaggressions has folks LOOKING for something to be upset about. It's no wonder that some young folks can't function in the real world and need safe spaces away from any opinion or fact that is different from what you've known, as they see them as threatening. These people don't belong in college - they can't handle the idea that college should expand your mind by exposing you to ideas and concepts that are different than your own.

These concepts like microaggressions and cultural appropriation were invented by left wing academics. Do some research and you'll see. There is not much good that comes from them. They divide us and cause unnecessary strife between people.

I wonder if this girl even stopped to consider what the repercussions of her believing that white people shouldn't sing those songs? Should black musicians not be able to perform 'white' music? Music is music - some forms evolved from both black and white roots. Many music groups are racially mixed. Do they now have to get her permission to perform whatever songs they wish to perform? Ridiculous.

Ernie, I'm not angry, just bemused at the absurdity of it all. That you seem to embrace all these silly ideas that are divisive has me smh.

Your dismissal of an academic as 'white privilege explaining why white privilege isn’t white privilege' is another head scratcher. THERE CAN BE NO PUSHBACK ON THESE CONCEPTS, it seems is the message. So, only blacks (or other minorities) are allowed to explain racial concepts? Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

Also, Haymondatthe4, this statement in your final paragraph is rather silly, IMO. "There is no objective, scientific correct answer on whether or not it is disrespectful for a mostly white choir and audience to sing black spirituals. But if you're white, and you find yourself blocking out and ridiculing black voices you disagree with, then you're not actually trying to answer the question at all."

Not blocking out or ridiculing 'black' voices. I am responding just at I would if it were anybody else asserting the point of disrespectulness. I'm not trying to answer that question because it is a dumb question. If anything, it is NOT disrespectful because it is raising this music UP as worth celebrating. What if some random white guy said it is disrespectful for black athletes to play basketball because it is cultural appropriation since the game was invented by whites. (Never mind that for the most part, black athletes are better at it than their white counterparts - LOL) It would be dumb. Almost as dumb as what this girl is triggered by. Some people just are looking for a reason to be offended.
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Absolutely, MileHigh
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(02-27-2020 03:57 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  There is a thing called White Privilege.

Under this condition whites, especially white males, feel their opinion is the only opinion that is correct and appropriate. They become defensive and angry. They cannot believe the POC does not understand their view. They feel their assessment is more likely to be correct.

Under this cultural misogyny’s influence they are unable to even hear the expression of fact. The POC has simply stated the actual effect the appropriation has on them. They are the expert. They are telling you how they feel. In the presence of that input, White Privilege cannot absorb the idea that would even matter. Especially if the POC is female.

Then more mansplaining, lecturing, ridicule. Etc.

Take a deep breathe. This young women shared her viewpoint with you. Try just accepting that as true for her and a valid expression she was willing to share. She has no obligation to update your social development, this was simply her gift to you. Be grateful. Try to relax and enjoy life.

Exactly as I said. The white male (Kulak) opinion is wrong regardless of the situation. If the choir turns down the chance to sing the spirituals, they are exclusionary and racist. If they sing them, it's appropriation. The choir is dammed by virtue of their skin color. The victim of their hegemonic abuse created by merely being white is speaking "truth" no matter what they say because they are not in the kulak class; they are the "expert."

Only by liquidating the kulak opinion and utterly reversing the power structure can POC females achieve egalitarian freedom. Or, as Maoists will settle for, a struggle session where the Kulaks in the choir admit their crimes against the party.

Hey Dirty Ernie, take a deep breathe. I just shared my viewpoint with you. Try just accepting that as true for me and a valid expression I was willing to share. I have no obligation to update your social development, this was simply my gift to you. Be grateful. Try to relax and enjoy the downfall of CMU.
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Quote:If the choir turns down the chance to sing the spirituals, they are exclusionary and racist.

The Black Student Union said they'd like to be consulted before events that portray their culture. I think that's a solution. I think it's wrong and also so fragile to say "Oh whatever white men do we're wrong no matter what! What do you want us to do? Consult you and listen to what you say?"

Quote:So, only blacks (or other minorities) are allowed to explain racial concepts? Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

This is racist as hell. Anti-black oppression has been a constant in US history. The biggest group of professional victims in this country are the white people who throw a fit whenever they're told to listen, be respectful, and extend the full rights of US citizenship to all US citizens. As for the last part, where you are sure that "audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive." You have to realize that if that's not your cultural heritage, your opinion on whether or not a mostly white audience singing those songs is good or bad for black culture is just not very relevant. You'd be better off listening.

I'm probably reaching for this analogy, but the whole thing kind of reminds me of when Big Ten fans try to say whether or not the weekday football games are good for MAC schools. My response is always pretty much, "Who cares what you think. You aren't a MAC fan. You just want to be able to maybe watch Western on a Tuesday when it's more convenient for you." Similarly, it's hard for me to believe that your motivations here are really about what's best for black culture. It seems more about what's convenient for you.
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White pride = blind prejudice.
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(02-29-2020 03:43 AM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  The Black Student Union said they'd like to be consulted before events that portray their culture. I think that's a solution.

This solution is reasonable

Moving forward

Before speaking, acting, or expressing yourself in any way.

Consider everyone and anyone who might feel aggressed (micro or otherwise) by your action(s)

And ask their permission.
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Actually,

That's not

What anybody said.

But go crazy,

Man.
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(02-29-2020 08:00 AM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote:  Actually,

That's not

What anybody said.

But go crazy,

Man.

Quote:The Black Student Union said they'd like to be consulted before events that portray their culture. I think that's a solution.

Assume your "solution" ^^^ is adopted.

What are the implications for society at large?
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(02-27-2020 10:42 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Nonsense like this is why I stopped donating to WMU. I wrote them several times first complaining about their slide towards PC, but they either didn't get my message or ignored it.

I guess they don't need donations from conservative alumni? There are other more appreciative groups I donate to these days, that are sensible enough to recognize that people of ALL political persuasions donate funds. Western doesn't have to embrace my political views and I don't expect them to, but they don't need to-continually-stick their thumb in our eyes. Not smart, to say the least.

Is there anything you aren't constantly offended about? The irony about Trumpster Snowflakes is that for all the time and energy they spend accusing others of being overly sensitive snowflakes, THEY are the ones constantly expressing outrage and butthurt over cultural issues they don't like.
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(02-28-2020 10:52 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

Wow, this is incredibly racist. Do you go around telling people this IRL? If so, you really need to get a grip.
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(02-29-2020 11:45 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 10:42 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Nonsense like this is why I stopped donating to WMU. I wrote them several times first complaining about their slide towards PC, but they either didn't get my message or ignored it.

I guess they don't need donations from conservative alumni? There are other more appreciative groups I donate to these days, that are sensible enough to recognize that people of ALL political persuasions donate funds. Western doesn't have to embrace my political views and I don't expect them to, but they don't need to-continually-stick their thumb in our eyes. Not smart, to say the least.

Is there anything you aren't constantly offended about? The irony about Trumpster Snowflakes is that for all the time and energy they spend accusing others of being overly sensitive snowflakes, THEY are the ones constantly expressing outrage and butthurt over cultural issues they don't like.

Funny, when it is OUR SIDE that is getting beaten up, spit on, called vile names and attacked physically on the streets. I sure don't see that going the other way.

Unfairness always offends me. It only seems to offend YOU when it's unfairness towards your side. Like MOST Progressives.
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(02-29-2020 11:48 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(02-28-2020 10:52 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

Wow, this is incredibly racist. Do you go around telling people this IRL? If so, you really need to get a grip.

Is calling the other side names all your side has for discussion or debate? The 'racist' club has been used so often it no longer stings anymore. Your side uses it on anybody who disagrees with them. Why don't you get a grip?
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(02-29-2020 12:45 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(02-28-2020 05:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Conservatives got pissed because they said 'don't sing it. It's racist.'

(02-27-2020 10:42 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Nonsense like this is why I stopped donating to WMU. I wrote them several times first complaining about their slide towards PC, but they either didn't get my message or ignored it.

I guess they don't need donations from conservative alumni? There are other more appreciative groups I donate to these days, that are sensible enough to recognize that people of ALL political persuasions donate funds. Western doesn't have to embrace my political views and I don't expect them to, but they don't need to-continually-stick their thumb in our eyes. Not smart, to say the least.

There's some conservative groups - and even conservative professors - on campus. They're in the minority - as to be expected - but they're there.

What 'slide towards PC' did you notice?

Mainly as exhibited in the Western Herald. I started calling them on their never-ending GOP bashing and didn't let up. Finally, I exchanged emails with their managing editor and told them all I wanted was a little balance. I reminded them that Michigan voted for Donald Trump and that half of Michigan was Republican, as a public university they owed it to their readers to provide more balance. She-ostensibly-agreed and told me they would 'take actions' to provide more balance. She told me that, since ALL her current journalists were Liberal (she didn't explain how that happened) that she would ask the WMU Student Young Republicans to submit Opinion articles 'now and then' for balance. This was 3-4 years ago and I'm still waiting for even ONE article like that. She either outright lied to me just to get me off their backs or she lacked the sense of fairness to carry through with her promises.

And if you look at the current leadership of Western-Dr. Edward Montgomery-he was an active campaigner for Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and served in both their Administrations. With political credentials like that I hardly expect him to promote fairness to my side, as represented in the Herald or other institutions on campus. What was the selection board thinking by bringing in someone with such strong political affiliation with one party? Doesn't make sense to me, at all. None of our past Presidents had that involved a political background.

Western has started going in directions I don't support. Like I said, I communicated my thoughts directly to them and let them know my dissatisfaction, they weren't interested enough to change. So, I stopped donating. The only donation I made to WMU in over a decade was to the WMU Sunseeker Solar Cart team-and that was a directed donation only for them.

Being one-sided and then seeking financial support from an evenly divided state is pretty darn stupid in my view. You would think they'd take that into account? They haven't. In many cases, WMU has shot itself in the foot-or they would have made much more progress than they have.
I think it's one of the reasons WMU lost the Grand Rapids market to GVSU. GR (& a lot of the state in general) very conservative, but WMU said nope. IDK, I guess they kind of had to in order to try to draw more from Detroit & Chicago, but it burned the bridge w/ GR.

I'm okay w/ the new President. If I recall, he did have a few things on his resume that indicated he was willing to work w/ both sides. He's supportive of athletics, green-lit campus upgrades desperately needed that should've been done 20 years ago, created the new marketing position that is putting more emphasis on graduation rates & employment rates, etc. Hiring someone w/ that much experience at the upper level (even if you don't agree w/ it) shows WMU as a legitimate academic institution.

IDK, maybe try contacting the Campus Republicans?

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(02-28-2020 10:52 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

Wow, this is incredibly racist. Do you go around telling people this IRL? If so, you really need to get a grip.

LOL. Is calling the other side names all your side has for discussion or debate? The 'racist' club has been used so often it no longer stings anymore. Your side uses it on anybody who disagrees with them. Why don't you get a grip? And then get a brain.

I agree that the first few lines of your post crossed the line & doesn't help any. I disagree w/ what the Black student org said, but that's not because I view them any different or categorizing them into a 'victim group'.

(02-29-2020 12:51 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Funny, when it is OUR SIDE that is getting beaten up, spit on, called vile names and attacked physically on the streets. I sure don't see that going the other way.

Exactly.
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What really tweaks me off about the Left is they are never happy unless they have 100% of the bullhorn. 95% isn't enough, they have to have it all.

All I asked the Herald to do is provide ONE conservative journalist, for balance. Never mind that every other journalist on their staff (about 8-9 as I recall) wrote from a Leftist perspective, I would have been happy with just ONE voicing our views. But the Left doesn't believe in any kind of fairness. They talk about it, but only as it applies to cutting down on our voice. They're not content unless they are dominating the pulpit.

For decades the MSM was dominated by channels that supported the Democrat party. ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC and all their variations were lock-step supportive of the Dems. Then FOX comes along and provides just one voice of alternative vision and LISTEN TO THE BICHING AND WHINING FROM THE OTHER SIDE. They can't stand the fact that one measly channel advocates another viewpoint (even though FOX has several Leftist commentators and is not one sided). The Left would shut down FOX tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it, they want ZERO voices of disagreement with their Leftist orthodoxy. It really tweaks them off that FOX vastly outdraws their channels for viewing audience, that enrages them.
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(02-28-2020 10:52 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 09:51 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  The sister makes a comment around her study of black culture and all the white men get all bent out of shape. I’m saying, what is the harm. Try to listen a bit if you are actually interested. It doesn’t have to be all hostile. It’s just a simple conversation about micro aggression. No biggie where white men have to butt in where they are not qualified or wanted.


Not qualified? How do I qualify? Change my race? What a dumb statement. Not wanted? If she didn't want people to weigh in on this issue, why did she draw attention to it and herself? It appears you are saying that only those with the 'correct' views on things are welcome.

Micro aggressions and cultural appropriation are silly concepts. Just more reasons for people to complain about something. As if there are not enough real and serious issues for people to be upset/complain about. The concept of microaggressions has folks LOOKING for something to be upset about. It's no wonder that some young folks can't function in the real world and need safe spaces away from any opinion or fact that is different from what you've known, as they see them as threatening. These people don't belong in college - they can't handle the idea that college should expand your mind by exposing you to ideas and concepts that are different than your own.

These concepts like microaggressions and cultural appropriation were invented by left wing academics. Do some research and you'll see. There is not much good that comes from them. They divide us and cause unnecessary strife between people.

I wonder if this girl even stopped to consider what the repercussions of her believing that white people shouldn't sing those songs? Should black musicians not be able to perform 'white' music? Music is music - some forms evolved from both black and white roots. Many music groups are racially mixed. Do they now have to get her permission to perform whatever songs they wish to perform? Ridiculous.

Ernie, I'm not angry, just bemused at the absurdity of it all. That you seem to embrace all these silly ideas that are divisive has me smh.

Your dismissal of an academic as 'white privilege explaining why white privilege isn’t white privilege' is another head scratcher. THERE CAN BE NO PUSHBACK ON THESE CONCEPTS, it seems is the message. So, only blacks (or other minorities) are allowed to explain racial concepts? Blacks are the biggest professional victims group in the country. When they shout about what they are upset with, they expect everybody to jump up and fix things to their liking. Somebody needs to tell them politely that we listened to you but there is no remedy for your grievance that makes sense. These concerts and many just like them all around the country have gone on for generations and few have ever complained. Rather the audiences appreciated that the music has been kept alive as a part of our American culture, taken from many diverse cultures that arrived on these shores.

Also, Haymondatthe4, this statement in your final paragraph is rather silly, IMO. "There is no objective, scientific correct answer on whether or not it is disrespectful for a mostly white choir and audience to sing black spirituals. But if you're white, and you find yourself blocking out and ridiculing black voices you disagree with, then you're not actually trying to answer the question at all."

Not blocking out or ridiculing 'black' voices. I am responding just at I would if it were anybody else asserting the point of disrespectulness. I'm not trying to answer that question because it is a dumb question. If anything, it is NOT disrespectful because it is raising this music UP as worth celebrating. What if some random white guy said it is disrespectful for black athletes to play basketball because it is cultural appropriation since the game was invented by whites. (Never mind that for the most part, black athletes are better at it than their white counterparts - LOL) It would be dumb. Almost as dumb as what this girl is triggered by. Some people just are looking for a reason to be offended.

Thank you for this post, Well said.

Here is a quick video explaining some of your points. It’s all pretty ridiculous when you stop and think about it.

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RE: Good Grief - This Idiocy at WMU Too?
(02-27-2020 09:17 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  Jordan Peterson, extreme right wing apologist. He may as well be a white nationalist. Try a credible source.

I am ok with being wrong, but neither a right nor a left wing extremist is credible.

Let’s attack the guys character and make false claims rather than debating where you disagree with what he has to say and explain why. Good plan.
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RE: Good Grief - This Idiocy at WMU Too?
(02-27-2020 09:17 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  Jordan Peterson, extreme right wing apologist. He may as well be a white nationalist. Try a credible source.

Labeling.

Name calling.

Virtue signaling (Haymond's essay)

It's all so predictable.

And pathetic.

And old.

It obvious why it appeals to certain personality types

It makes life easy.

It shields folks from having to think.

And it leads to self-satisfaction.
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RE: Good Grief - This Idiocy at WMU Too?
(02-29-2020 01:55 PM)RaybanBronco Wrote:  
(02-27-2020 09:17 PM)Aimless1 Wrote:  Jordan Peterson, extreme right wing apologist. He may as well be a white nationalist. Try a credible source.

I am ok with being wrong, but neither a right nor a left wing extremist is credible.

Let’s attack the guys character and make false claims rather than debating where you disagree with what he has to say and explain why. Good plan.

That's what the Left does. I don't know who Jordan Peterson is, but in general the Left labels most everyone who disagrees with it's views as 'racist' or 'bigoted'. The implication being, your views are SO intolerable and SO based on unacceptable beliefs as to be unworthy of discussion or entitled to the concept of Fairness.

They know their ideas have been disproven many times, so to avoid the scrutiny of open discussion and debate they label any other ideas as based on base emotions and unacceptable beliefs. That justifies their shouting-down conservative speakers, prohibiting them from coming to campus, protesting their presentations, attacking conservative displays on public campus and violently attacking those who profess other views than their own. We have seen this time and time again.

The only way to truth is open discussion of all views, without exception. The Left is terrified of that and justifiably so-they can't prevail in a public debate without silencing the other side.
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