Those refs that called the flagrant on Precious should be retired from officiating any NCAA games. A bad call is one thing, but calling that hooking flagrant foul on a REPLAY is pitiful. If that is a flagrant foul there are 20 or 30 flagrant fouls per game.

I ran the play back and forth multiple times and theatrics complete bs.


So is a team coming out in any game thinking , " We get this"

Especially when that team just beat you at your place and glhas a 14-1 home record.

(02-26-2020 10:29 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 07:19 AM)tigersroll Wrote:  Id like to know why they gave LQ a flop warning.

Because he flopped. Surely everyone can tell a flop from a legitimate "fall" from contact. I'm sorry, but that one was obvious.

I don't think he even fell though. I didn't see a replay, but don't recall him actually going to the ground.

(02-26-2020 10:30 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:55 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:46 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  It is what happens when you flop all season. If an official does not see or misses any part of the play and sees you on the ground then you are not getting the benefit of the doubt. Harris had to learn this last year and has pretty well stopped flopping. Lester will hopefully break the habit this coming summer.

No excuse. The official was right there if you see the replay. There is a difference between a blocking call and a flop warning. Lester did not flop. the SMU player lowered the shoulder and charged into Lester. Even the announcers agreed that the replay showed it. A referee of integrity will call the game straight without prejudice toward a player.

Wake me when we have robots officiating. So long as we have humans out there your statement will never reign true.

Asking for integrity isn't too much to ask. Asking for perfection would warrant your response.

IMO asking for integrity seems fair.

LG, TH and anyone else we may discuss is still learning the game. Learning daily. To make calls based on what you saw from him 2 weeks ago (or whenever you last called his game) is unjust.

This. A referee should make every attempt to be impartial. He is there to call the game fairly for both sides. It is understood that they will make mistakes. What is not acceptable is to let one's personal feelings motivate you to make a wrong call.

Ya, sure and that is great if you are living in fantasy land. But bias, perceptions, stereotypes and reputations are simply a reality. If a player is a known flopper or has that reputation then referees are rarely, if ever, going to give him the benefit of the doubt. That is just part of the human element of officiating. Star players are going to get the benefit of the doubt more often than not. Is that, right? Probably not, but we all know it occurs. Harris had the reputation last year and Lester has it this year.

And if I am honest, I am perfectly fine with this when it comes to charges and flopping. Shuffling under players, falling all over the court, trying to create a foul instead of just playing defense and so on is not defense. If in doubt, the call should always go against the defense. We have all watched Lester and if you breathe on him when he sets up for a charge he falls like Patrick Taylor just ran him over for a TD...

(02-26-2020 11:12 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:30 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 09:22 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:55 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  No excuse. The official was right there if you see the replay. There is a difference between a blocking call and a flop warning. Lester did not flop. the SMU player lowered the shoulder and charged into Lester. Even the announcers agreed that the replay showed it. A referee of integrity will call the game straight without prejudice toward a player.

Wake me when we have robots officiating. So long as we have humans out there your statement will never reign true.

Asking for integrity isn't too much to ask. Asking for perfection would warrant your response.

IMO asking for integrity seems fair.

LG, TH and anyone else we may discuss is still learning the game. Learning daily. To make calls based on what you saw from him 2 weeks ago (or whenever you last called his game) is unjust.

This. A referee should make every attempt to be impartial. He is there to call the game fairly for both sides. It is understood that they will make mistakes. What is not acceptable is to let one's personal feelings motivate you to make a wrong call.

Ya, sure and that is great if you are living in fantasy land. But bias, perceptions, stereotypes and reputations are simply a reality. If a player is a known flopper or has that reputation then referees are rarely, if ever, going to give him the benefit of the doubt. That is just part of the human element of officiating. Star players are going to get the benefit of the doubt more often than not. Is that, right? Probably not, but we all know it occurs. Harris had the reputation last year and Lester has it this year.

And if I am honest, I am perfectly fine with this when it comes to charges and flopping. Shuffling under players, falling all over the court, trying to create a foul instead of just playing defense and so on is not defense. If in doubt, the call should always go against the defense. We have all watched Lester and if you breathe on him when he sets up for a charge he falls like Patrick Taylor just ran him over for a TD...

Sorry, just have to agree to disagree. Anyone can call a game without partiality or prejudice. Perfections is different. However, fairness is in the job description.

(02-26-2020 08:00 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  The only explanation I have on the Precious call is that he may have hit the guy in the nuts. The guy claims he was hit in the nuts and they stop play to review it. Precious was having his arm hooked and his hand was near the guy’s crotch on the replay. Miller and some of the other coaches were laughing during the video review, so it’s the only thing that makes sense to me

According to the Memphis paper, the SMU player complained to the official that he was hit in the nuts. That was what motivated the review.

I am not sure how they could watch the replay for 5 minutes and not see that the SMU player hooked Precious and held his arm which is what should have been called. It is a point of emphasis this year.

Any contact to the nuts was incidental and a result of the SMU player holding on to Precious' arm.

(02-26-2020 11:21 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:00 AM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  The only explanation I have on the Precious call is that he may have hit the guy in the nuts. The guy claims he was hit in the nuts and they stop play to review it. Precious was having his arm hooked and his hand was near the guy’s crotch on the replay. Miller and some of the other coaches were laughing during the video review, so it’s the only thing that makes sense to me

According to the Memphis paper, the SMU player complained to the official that he was hit in the nuts. That was what motivated the review.

I am not sure how they could watch the replay for 5 minutes and not see that the SMU player hooked Precious and held his arm which is what should have been called. It is a point of emphasis this year.

Any contact to the nuts was incidental and a result of the SMU player holding on to Precious' arm.

If a replay can result in a call after the fact, during the review, why didn't someone notice the SMU player standing on the line/in the lane on the FT?

If that foul was so egregious to be considered "flagrant", then why was it not called by anyone at the time? If anything, via replay you go common foul and move on. After having reviewed it, they would have looked silly if they just said no call, so I think they were covering their a$$e$. Flagrant would indicate malicious intent to harm (which may very well have been - you go, Precious!).

The refs had nothing to do with us losing last night, 21 turnovers did. Moving on.

(02-26-2020 11:49 AM)onetiger Wrote:  The refs had nothing to do with us losing last night, 21 turnovers did. Moving on.

Nobody is saying they did, but to say that the refs didn't cause some issues is also wrong.

There were calls that changed the game at certain points. The flagrant on Precious, awful call, that gave SMU essentially a 7 point possession. Just like that they are down 13 without even getting a possession because of a bogus call. Take away that bogus call we are down 9 with the ball maybe we score maybe they don't.

The botched goal tend. It's a horrible call that took away a possession down 6 with 1:31 to go. Instead the ball goes back to SMU and they are able to extend the lead to 8.

At the end of the day Memphis lost because of the turnovers period, but those two calls were big moments that swung the game a certain direction.

SMU scores 8 points as a result of questionable calls.
4 on the flagrant, that ended up in 7 points in one trip down the floor.
2 points scored after the flop.
2 points after the overturned goaltending.

That’s basketball though, home team gets those calls.

(02-26-2020 12:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:49 AM)onetiger Wrote:  The refs had nothing to do with us losing last night, 21 turnovers did. Moving on.

Nobody is saying they did, but to say that the refs didn't cause some issues is also wrong.

There were calls that changed the game at certain points. The flagrant on Precious, awful call, that gave SMU essentially a 7 point possession. Just like that they are down 13 without even getting a possession because of a bogus call. Take away that bogus call we are down 9 with the ball maybe we score maybe they don't.

The botched goal tend. It's a horrible call that took away a possession down 6 with 1:31 to go. Instead the ball goes back to SMU and they are able to extend the lead to 8.

At the end of the day Memphis lost because of the turnovers period, but those two calls were big moments that swung the game a certain direction.

I agree they caused issues. I just believe we have the talent that we should have overcome those things.

(02-26-2020 01:11 PM)onetiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 12:31 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:49 AM)onetiger Wrote:  The refs had nothing to do with us losing last night, 21 turnovers did. Moving on.

Nobody is saying they did, but to say that the refs didn't cause some issues is also wrong.

There were calls that changed the game at certain points. The flagrant on Precious, awful call, that gave SMU essentially a 7 point possession. Just like that they are down 13 without even getting a possession because of a bogus call. Take away that bogus call we are down 9 with the ball maybe we score maybe they don't.

The botched goal tend. It's a horrible call that took away a possession down 6 with 1:31 to go. Instead the ball goes back to SMU and they are able to extend the lead to 8.

At the end of the day Memphis lost because of the turnovers period, but those two calls were big moments that swung the game a certain direction.

I agree they caused issues. I just believe we have the talent that we should have overcome those things.

Oh I completely agree, but those bad calls possibly prevented being able to overcome the 21 turnovers.

What made last night extremely frustrating is that they completely reverted back to playing way out of control.

Crazy part is we shot free throws very well. It's either turnovers or free throws.

Technology was the reason why the "phantom" goal tending call was made..

That official is probably like "hey, let me call a goaltending call, and go look at the monitor to see if it was actually goaltending" basically, the abusiveness of replay was the reason why that call was made. Officials is making technology and reply make calls for themselves.

Lester Quinoes is known to be a flopper, and I'm sure that officials that calls AAC games, knows that. I mean, I'm positive they look at film while they're in their hotel room, on the plane, etc. and received notes from teams. The officials know that Lester will flop. Was that a flop, I can see it being a flop, but I get it why it's not.

(02-26-2020 11:21 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  According to the Memphis paper, the SMU player complained to the official that he was hit in the nuts. That was what motivated the review.

I am not sure how they could watch the replay for 5 minutes and not see that the SMU player hooked Precious and held his arm which is what should have been called. It is a point of emphasis this year.

Any contact to the nuts was incidental and a result of the SMU player holding on to Precious' arm.

I saw the nut-tap and the complaint. I had a bad feeling that was it. But when you look at the F-1 rules, nut-tapping is not listed. But hooking arms is listed. And the SMU guy obviously hooked the arm and pulled PA into him. I believe it's what actually led to the nut-tap. Good officiating would have been review and then no-call. It would have been more justified calling the F-1 on SMU. We got worst case scenario - which has been the norm this year.

I watched maybe 5 minutes of the game and could tell we were playing like trash so I’m not blaming the refs. However, the 2nd early foul on Precious was crucial. SMU player got stuffed at the rim and got bailed out.

Not saying we would have won, but it hurt big time to have PA on the bench for so long in the first half.

(02-26-2020 08:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:55 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:46 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:41 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 07:52 AM)Oman Wrote:  Because he has a tendency to flop.

However, the SMU player clearly lowered his shoulder into Quinones. The replay showed that it wasn't a flop. i thought they were supposed to call the play not the players tendencies.

It is what happens when you flop all season. If an official does not see or misses any part of the play and sees you on the ground then you are not getting the benefit of the doubt. Harris had to learn this last year and has pretty well stopped flopping. Lester will hopefully break the habit this coming summer.

No excuse. The official was right there if you see the replay. There is a difference between a blocking call and a flop warning. Lester did not flop. the SMU player lowered the shoulder and charged into Lester. Even the announcers agreed that the replay showed it. A referee of integrity will call the game straight without prejudice toward a player.

Wake me when we have robots officiating. So long as we have humans out there your statement will never reign true.

We lost because of turnovers. But that flagrant foul call... wow. Either it was a foul when it occurred or not. You don’t go back to the monitor for that. I get it if a player is fouled excessively or injured. There just wasn’t anything to review. Just two players battling for the ball, no elbows thrown... even if SMU would have been called for the flagrant I’d still say it was ridiculous..

Since when do officials go to the video when a player says they were fouled. I've seen kids get bloodied, poked in the eye, and knocked to the ground and get no video review. Just foul, pun intended. ?

(02-26-2020 08:19 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  Since when do officials go to the video when a player says they were fouled. I've seen kids get bloodied, poked in the eye, and knocked to the ground and get no video review. Just foul, pun intended. ?

That was ridiculous!

(02-26-2020 09:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There is no question we have not had favorable whistles for the season as a whole.
Last night was more of the same. 3 of PA's fouls were garbage calls. (Some of this I blame on them giving GWB the home court advantage.)
I believe it has to do with the refs knowing these guys are freshmen, and just not wanting to give them any slack.
NCAA officiating has some NBA tendencies - that is, veterans get calls over rookies.
It's BS, but it is what it is.

About a 1/4 to 1/3 of Precious' fouls this year were on illegal picks. This late in the year and he is still setting illegal picks and could have easily been called for his fifth on another.

Our style of play causes us to foul at times. If they call the game close we are going to rack up a lot of fouls.

We are 295th out of 351 teams for fouls per game at 19.5 per game.

And we are 340th out of 351 teams in turnovers per game.

These are all self-inflicted problems.

(02-26-2020 08:03 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:58 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:55 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:46 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 08:41 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  However, the SMU player clearly lowered his shoulder into Quinones. The replay showed that it wasn't a flop. i thought they were supposed to call the play not the players tendencies.

It is what happens when you flop all season. If an official does not see or misses any part of the play and sees you on the ground then you are not getting the benefit of the doubt. Harris had to learn this last year and has pretty well stopped flopping. Lester will hopefully break the habit this coming summer.

No excuse. The official was right there if you see the replay. There is a difference between a blocking call and a flop warning. Lester did not flop. the SMU player lowered the shoulder and charged into Lester. Even the announcers agreed that the replay showed it. A referee of integrity will call the game straight without prejudice toward a player.

Wake me when we have robots officiating. So long as we have humans out there your statement will never reign true.

We lost because of turnovers. But that flagrant foul call... wow. Either it was a foul when it occurred or not. You don’t go back to the monitor for that. I get it if a player is fouled excessively or injured. There just wasn’t anything to review. Just two players battling for the ball, no elbows thrown... even if SMU would have been called for the flagrant I’d still say it was ridiculous..

They have been going to the video all year to review plays even when no foul has been called. There is no requirement for a common foul to be called in order to review the play.