(02-25-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, trump expresses love for myriad dictators as well...but that's not sick or disturbed to you?

First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly there's a huge difference between being soft on a tyrant on the basis of a personal relationship (Trump has the destructive tendency to be nice to anyone who sucks up to him no matter how awful they are) versus sheer ideology (see Bernie and any dictator with an ounce of collectivist sympathies). I think it's gross when Trump acts like Putin or Kim are like other world leaders, but how does that change the fact that Bernie is tolerant of a Castro regime that put homosexuals in forced labor camps? Mainstream political figures don't say "Hitler was a brutal monster, but hey at least he built the Autobahn!"

Anyway, it baffles me how much Bernie is going out of his way to alienate voters in swing states. He praises Cuba so Florida is unlikely. Goes way against fracking so his prospects in Pennsylvania aren't great. Wants to eliminate Cadillac medical plans for unions so the Rust Belt states are dubious to say the least. Gotta give him props for sheer ideological blindness, but that's not how you come close to winning the electoral college or help Democrats down ballot.

(02-25-2020 08:36 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, trump expresses love for myriad dictators as well...but that's not sick or disturbed to you?

First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly there's a huge difference between being soft on a tyrant on the basis of a personal relationship (Trump has the destructive tendency to be nice to anyone who sucks up to him no matter how awful they are) versus sheer ideology (see Bernie and any dictator with an ounce of collectivist sympathies). I think it's gross when Trump acts like Putin or Kim are like other world leaders, but how does that change the fact that Bernie is tolerant of a Castro regime that put homosexuals in forced labor camps? Mainstream political figures don't say "Hitler was a brutal monster, but hey at least he built the Autobahn!"

Anyway, it baffles me how much Bernie is going out of his way to alienate voters in swing states. He praises Cuba so Florida is unlikely. Goes way against fracking so his prospects in Pennsylvania aren't great. Wants to eliminate Cadillac medical plans for unions so the Rust Belt states are dubious to say the least. Gotta give him props for sheer ideological blindness, but that's not how you come close to winning the electoral college or help Democrats down ballot.

You honestly think Bernie endorsed that aspect of Castro or would advocate for that part of it?

And no, he's not required to come out and detail everything Castro did that he disliked. Nobody is. It just goes without saying.

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

Wow, what a poor photoshop. They could have at least found an old man body for Bernie instead of using Putin's.

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

(02-26-2020 11:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

I think that makes you gay.

Ewwwwww indeed!

(02-26-2020 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

I think that makes you gay.

Ewwwwww indeed!

Newsflash ..... Nobody cares what you think LeftwingTom. As usual, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Guess that was your lame attempt to make a personal attack, huh?

Yeah, if it was Democrat candidate gay Pete in the photo it would put a new meaning to the word Putin. Ewwwwww indeed!

By the way Leftwing ..... What do you do for a living? For someone so quick to add in their greasy two cents on nearly everything, you were conspicuously absent a couple of weeks or so ago on the thread that asked everyone to share that info. Are you a pizza transportation engineer perhaps?

(02-25-2020 08:36 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, trump expresses love for myriad dictators as well...but that's not sick or disturbed to you?

First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly there's a huge difference between being soft on a tyrant on the basis of a personal relationship (Trump has the destructive tendency to be nice to anyone who sucks up to him no matter how awful they are) versus sheer ideology (see Bernie and any dictator with an ounce of collectivist sympathies). I think it's gross when Trump acts like Putin or Kim are like other world leaders, but how does that change the fact that Bernie is tolerant of a Castro regime that put homosexuals in forced labor camps? Mainstream political figures don't say "Hitler was a brutal monster, but hey at least he built the Autobahn!"

Anyway, it baffles me how much Bernie is going out of his way to alienate voters in swing states. He praises Cuba so Florida is unlikely. Goes way against fracking so his prospects in Pennsylvania aren't great. Wants to eliminate Cadillac medical plans for unions so the Rust Belt states are dubious to say the least. Gotta give him props for sheer ideological blindness, but that's not how you come close to winning the electoral college or help Democrats down ballot.

Being nice to other world leaders is a way to get things done, especially with dictators. When Obama wasn't whispering how he would do more after the next election, he was saying barechested man bad and giving the Ukrainians socks. Trump says nice things about Putin and gives the Ukrainians anti-tank weapons.

(02-26-2020 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

I think that makes you gay.

Ewwwwww indeed!

Newsflash ..... Nobody cares what you think LeftwingTom. As usual, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Guess that was your lame attempt to make a personal attack, huh?

Dude, it was joke. Did I really need to explain that?

(02-26-2020 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

I think that makes you gay.

Ewwwwww indeed!

Newsflash ..... Nobody cares what you think LeftwingTom. As usual, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Guess that was your lame attempt to make a personal attack, huh?

Dude, it was joke. Did I really need to explain that?

Oh, using your standard "Dude, it was a joke" ploy again followed by the infamous "... need to explain?" question. Priceless, and soooooo very predictable. You need some new original material.

I've never seen Florida this lop-sided, it's supposed to be a 50/50 state. And Trump hasn't even began hitting bernie with any attacks.

Bernie is a electoral train wreck!

He said this while trying to defend his Cuba comments.

Fact: China has probably let more people die from famine than any other country including under Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” under which millions died.

Here is a girl, along with a lot of other people, who will never experience poverty again:

Quote:Democratic 2020 candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders in 2011 promoted an editorial arguing that “the American dream is more apt to be realized” in Venezuela than in the U.S.

Sanders’s Senate office posted the editorial, which local Vermont newspaper the Valley News published, on his Senate website under the “Must Reads” section.

“These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger,” the editorial stated. “Who’s the banana republic now?”

Sanders’s campaign didn’t return a Daily Caller News Foundation email seeking comment on whether he believes the American dream is more alive in Venezuela, where many citizens are starving, than in America.

Sanders has faced criticism — including from fellow Democrats — for his sympathetic opinions of communist regimes.

The socialist Vermont senator’s repeated defenses of deceased Cuban dictator Fidel Castro sparked a backlash from both Republicans and Democrats.

“I’m hoping that in the future, Senator Sanders will take time to speak to some of my constituents before he decides to sing the praises of a murderous tyrant like Fidel Castro,” Democratic Florida Rep. Donna Shalala tweeted Sunday.

Democratic Florida Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell added: “As the first South American immigrant member of Congress who proudly represents thousands of Cuban Americans, I find Senator Bernie Sanders’ comments on Castro’s Cuba absolutely unacceptable.”

Sanders also spoke up for communist China during a CNN town hall Monday night.

Link

(02-25-2020 12:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 12:05 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:53 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Just to be clear I think it's stupid to have a stance that you can never say a single positive thing about a dictator. Reality is reality. Awful people can accomplish some good things and you can acknowledge that while still thinking they are awful. It's actually one of the things I kinda like about Trump, that he doesn't feel beholden to some nonsense norms that don't actually provide any benefit.

That's fine. But the problem is that by no measure should anyone consider Cuba a success story. Sure, they have 0% homelessness, but half the country lives in shanties that aren't as nice as the tents many American homeless people live in. Sure, they can all read, but only if the books have been approved by the government. Sure, they have government provided healthcare, but at some clinics, you can't get a simple bandage because they have none.

By the way, still waiting for you to say something nice about Trump.

When did he call Cuba a "success story?" He said one or 2 relatively nice things about them and that's it. Obama said the exact same things about them as well. Trump as I linked has said some semi nice things about multiple dictators, but who cares? As for you waiting for me to say something nice about Trump I literally did in the post you quoted. I said that I like that he doesn't feel beholden to nonsense norms like you can't say a single nice thing about bad people. You can't actually make diplomatic inroads if your only public statements about bad people are how awful they are.

The establishment is using Bernie's words to defeat him, but will not say anything about Obama. You are now seeing dirty politics from the establishment to hurt Bernie, but it is too late for Biden to win.

(02-26-2020 01:36 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:34 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:05 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

I see that and have visions of Buttigieg. Ewwwwww!

I think that makes you gay.

Ewwwwww indeed!

Newsflash ..... Nobody cares what you think LeftwingTom. As usual, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Guess that was your lame attempt to make a personal attack, huh?

Yeah, if it was Democrat candidate gay Pete in the photo it would put a new meaning to the word Putin. Ewwwwww indeed!

By the way Leftwing ..... What do you do for a living? For someone so quick to add in their greasy two cents on nearly everything, you were conspicuously absent a couple of weeks or so ago on the thread that asked everyone to share that info. Are you a pizza transportation engineer perhaps?

No, he was getting orders from his Russian overlords on what to say. Remember that he does a lot of traveling. To where? Who knows but he should be looked at. Veeerrryyy suspicious, I say.

Redwingtom Wrote:
Again, trump expresses love for myriad dictators as well...but that's not sick or disturbed to you?


Giving praise to dictators is not EVEN close to wanting to institute their government systems here. Biiigggg difference. Besides, if you have any intelligence at all (I know, I know he doesn't) you would know that you get more of a positive exchange when you're nicer. Verdad?

Isn’t there a video of Bernie saying JFK being tough on Cuba made him want to “puke”?

I’d play that video on a loop from now until November if I were the GOP.

Then again, Democrats today probably hate JFK.

How long before the MSM pulls an unverified dossier out that says Bernie is a sleeper KGB agent recruited on his Moscow honeymoon then subject him to years of investigation?

(02-26-2020 01:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 08:36 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Again, trump expresses love for myriad dictators as well...but that's not sick or disturbed to you?

First of all, two wrongs don't make a right. Secondly there's a huge difference between being soft on a tyrant on the basis of a personal relationship (Trump has the destructive tendency to be nice to anyone who sucks up to him no matter how awful they are) versus sheer ideology (see Bernie and any dictator with an ounce of collectivist sympathies). I think it's gross when Trump acts like Putin or Kim are like other world leaders, but how does that change the fact that Bernie is tolerant of a Castro regime that put homosexuals in forced labor camps? Mainstream political figures don't say "Hitler was a brutal monster, but hey at least he built the Autobahn!"

Anyway, it baffles me how much Bernie is going out of his way to alienate voters in swing states. He praises Cuba so Florida is unlikely. Goes way against fracking so his prospects in Pennsylvania aren't great. Wants to eliminate Cadillac medical plans for unions so the Rust Belt states are dubious to say the least. Gotta give him props for sheer ideological blindness, but that's not how you come close to winning the electoral college or help Democrats down ballot.

Being nice to other world leaders is a way to get things done, especially with dictators. When Obama wasn't whispering how he would do more after the next election, he was saying barechested man bad and giving the Ukrainians socks. Trump says nice things about Putin and gives the Ukrainians anti-tank weapons.

There's a difference between a good working relationship and kissing someone's ass. I agree that the former is important when it comes to even dictators, but the Overton window exists for this kind of thing. Acting like Putin is your buddy is very different from doing the same thing with Boris; insults and hostility won't get things done either, but you can be strong but keep a leery eye on bad world leaders while staying polite at the same time.

(02-26-2020 09:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You honestly think Bernie endorsed that aspect of Castro or would advocate for that part of it?

And no, he's not required to come out and detail everything Castro did that he disliked. Nobody is. It just goes without saying.

No, he wouldn't and no he isn't required. But I'll reiterate that you don't say dictators are bad (without getting into details) but then immediately start talking about great things they did; see Hitler comment above. No one forced Bernie to say Cuba's literacy program was great or that Venezuela did a super job reducing inequality, and I'm sure there are other countries around the world that implemented similar policies without the horrifying results of a communist regime.

I don't like it when Trump does it and I certainly don't like what is in the OP. Difference is that being nice to Putin doesn't lose you a whole swing state 8 months before an election.