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Our final home game is tomorrow. We face an opponent who is going to be furious after getting waxed at Delaware. That does not bode well for us. We are a full game back of NU. Elon is a half game ahead of us as well. The fight for the last bye commences. I think if we end up tied with just NU we likely win the tiebreaker since we would be 1-1 with NU, we both got swept by Hofstra, and we went 1-1 against both W&M and Delaware where they got swept. So as long as Delaware or W&M finish in 2nd we should be good, I think. With that said, NU also still has JMU and Towson after our game. JMU will be a win and Towson will be a coin flip for them. That likely means we need to sweep the road trip of UNCW and CofC. I still dont like our chances even with a win tomorrow. Spiker has yet to beat a team twice on the road in conference. He would have to break that streak for this to happen (we beat CofC last year on the road in a miracle comeback). I am hoping for 1-1 on that road trip, 0-2 wouldn't surprise me, 2-0 seems almost unreasonable/improbable. However focus on 1 game at a time.

NU embarrassed us last time out and they will be fired up again for this one as they are coming off a beat down. Last time they were coming off of a bad loss (Elon). Roland is a nightmare and would be the POY if it were for Nathan Knight. Our focus needs to be shutting down everyone else. We don't have anyone strong enough defensively to shut Roland down, so to me our focus should be on everyone else and let Roland get his. NU is thin so a physical game with lots of fouls should be in our benefit. Feed JB down low and let him work. I actually don't mind the matchup, but hate the timing. NU continues to be up and down while we have been down. Losers of 7 of the past 8 will make this one a challenge. If we play with the same effort in this one as we did against Hofstra, we win this game, anything less and I can't see us being victorious. We knew the front half of the schedule was easier, but now its time for this team to grow up and show us what they have. Are they ready to take the next step with high pressure to get that bye or will we fold?

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NU is a 2.5 point favorite this afternoon
02-22-2020 08:17 AM
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If you lose and Towson wins hosting Elon at the same time, the six byes will be clinched. In that case, Elon could tie Northeastern but couldn't win the tiebreaker.

(02-21-2020 09:26 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Roland is a nightmare and would be the POY if it were for Nathan Knight.
You mean if it wasn't for Knight, and without Knight it's too close to call. Roland, Riller, and Darling are close enough that I wouldn't give any of them a 50 percent chance at getting more POY votes than the other two. If they combine for 30 POY votes, it could be a split like 12-9-9. The POY and CAA teams (First, Second, and Third) use separate voting, so the POY may not get the most points for the CAA team voting. I have voting results for the last five years, and the POY got the most CAA team vote points every time, but it's not guaranteed. In 2014-2015 it was close in both. Marcus Thornton got POY over Damion Lee 21 to 19. In 2016-2017, eight players got POY votes, including four on UNCW. In 2018-2019 it was as unanimous as possible, with two Hofstra voters who couldn't vote for Wright-Foreman voting for Vasa Pusica. I wouldn't be surprised if Knight, Roland, Riller, Darling, and Buie get POY votes. Matt Lewis gets points, rebounds, and assists. I think he would get POY votes if he was on a good team, but I don't know if he will while on a horrible team. Marcus Sheffield II is in a similar situation. Elon is better than JMU, but it will still be hard for anyone to pick him over all the candidates on better teams. A voter who thinks it's close enough to go by the CAA standings won't choose Roland. I'm not saying that's fair, but it's the way it is.
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So I'm not going to discuss the game because it was another crap effort in a season that resembles a train derailment.

I was told that there were no senior day ceremonies today because both Sam Green and Zach Walton are petitioning the NCAA to each get another year of eligibility due to their injury plagued seasons.

So this begs the question. There's a a chance that the entire team will be back next year, plus Doles, plus 2 new recruits. So will a team that finished in 8th place this season be improved enough to compete for a championship next year. Or with the same players, will 2021 just be slightly less of a train wreck?
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If the entire team were to come back, the expectation should be top-4 at the very least. And yes, going into the tournament with the possibility of a championship. If the team comes back and they're still languishing in the middle of the conference, I will think more seriously about moving on from Spiker. While I would ever seriously contemplate moving on before next season, the way this season has gone makes the seat pretty warm.
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(02-22-2020 10:40 PM)J.B. Wrote:  So I'm not going to discuss the game because it was another crap effort in a season that resembles a train derailment.

I was told that there were no senior day ceremonies today because both Sam Green and Zach Walton are petitioning the NCAA to each get another year of eligibility due to their injury plagued seasons.

So this begs the question. There's a a chance that the entire team will be back next year, plus Doles, plus 2 new recruits. So will a team that finished in 8th place this season be improved enough to compete for a championship next year. Or with the same players, will 2021 just be slightly less of a train wreck?

finally some conversation about trains. i've waited my whole life for this...or at least since my son was around 18 months and we realized he loves trains.

perhaps the same time we are electing a "socialist" president who might seriously invest in infrastructure like high speed rail...we will be preparing a team that's as fast, powerful, and punctual as the japanese shinkansen system.

i agree with the above sentiment that there won't be any excuses if the whole team is back. i was excited about the idea of having a coach who can develop talent. that should be an expectation.
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The AAD group hit the nail on the head in their recent piece. This team is missing that killer instinct. The desire to want the ball, the desire to bury teams and will to win. We brought back quite a bit this year with these results. Losing Kurk seemed to hurt more than expected. The freshman showed flashes but not quite to the level we likely expected them to produce at. While next season will have lots of promise, we still play average defense (which is an improvement) and don't have reliable scoring options beyond Cam. Can others step up, sure. Would we bank on it, not so sure. Not getting top 4 with the entire team returning would surely be fireable to me, but not sure his seat is even warm. I would be intrigued next season (I will be anyways), but not sure we have what we need on the team to take that next step to win a title and go dancing. Something feels amiss.
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(02-22-2020 10:40 PM)J.B. Wrote:  So I'm not going to discuss the game because it was another crap effort in a season that resembles a train derailment.

I was told that there were no senior day ceremonies today because both Sam Green and Zach Walton are petitioning the NCAA to each get another year of eligibility due to their injury plagued seasons.

So this begs the question. There's a a chance that the entire team will be back next year, plus Doles, plus 2 new recruits. So will a team that finished in 8th place this season be improved enough to compete for a championship next year. Or with the same players, will 2021 just be slightly less of a train wreck?

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Teams get 13 scholarships. You've used 12 players this season includes Doles and Lee. Lee left. Returning the other 11 (Wynter, Butler, Walton, Green, Okros, Juric, Washington, Bickerstaff, Doles, Kararinas, and Perry) and 3 recruits is 14.
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The fact is we did Green and/or Walton a disservice by not having a senior day. I understand both have applied for a hardship waiver, but I am pretty sure Walton applied for one last year and it was rejected. So while it is nice that we are holding out hope, reality is both are likely gone when they don't get that waiver. My guess is Doles will explore other options as well since his role diminished at a time it had a chance to grow. Worst case scenario if everyone gets waivers and returns we will have to either strip a scholarship or make one of the new guys a walk on (Tadas comes to mind). In any case we need to hope that few pieces leave and that the new incoming recruits can give us added depth and production. We need our freshman and Coletrane to gain confidence and want to be a producer. That talent is there we need to find a way to get them all on the same page.
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(02-25-2020 09:28 AM)dan10 Wrote:  The fact is we did Green and/or Walton a disservice by not having a senior day. I understand both have applied for a hardship waiver, but I am pretty sure Walton applied for one last year and it was rejected. So while it is nice that we are holding out hope, reality is both are likely gone when they don't get that waiver. My guess is Doles will explore other options as well since his role diminished at a time it had a chance to grow. Worst case scenario if everyone gets waivers and returns we will have to either strip a scholarship or make one of the new guys a walk on (Tadas comes to mind). In any case we need to hope that few pieces leave and that the new incoming recruits can give us added depth and production. We need our freshman and Coletrane to gain confidence and want to be a producer. That talent is there we need to find a way to get them all on the same page.

Are you sure that they're going to get rejected and do you have any credible information on the subject? Drexel was in this situation before. Drexel held 2 Senior Day ceremonies for Chris Fouch and for Jackie Schluth. Both were honored on senior day while they were applying for waivers, and then honored them again the following year when they returned. Seems to me that if they didn't hold ceremonies for Green and Walton, then they'd be confident that they're coming back.

Regarding Doles, he would have to sit out a year if he decides to transfer. Same with Wynter, who people say might not return. If Wynter doesn't come back, then I don't think Spiker should either. It's the coaches job to make sure that his best players are happy playing here. That would be a huge loss, that I would blame on the coach.
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(02-25-2020 10:34 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 09:28 AM)dan10 Wrote:  The fact is we did Green and/or Walton a disservice by not having a senior day. I understand both have applied for a hardship waiver, but I am pretty sure Walton applied for one last year and it was rejected. So while it is nice that we are holding out hope, reality is both are likely gone when they don't get that waiver. My guess is Doles will explore other options as well since his role diminished at a time it had a chance to grow. Worst case scenario if everyone gets waivers and returns we will have to either strip a scholarship or make one of the new guys a walk on (Tadas comes to mind). In any case we need to hope that few pieces leave and that the new incoming recruits can give us added depth and production. We need our freshman and Coletrane to gain confidence and want to be a producer. That talent is there we need to find a way to get them all on the same page.

Are you sure that they're going to get rejected and do you have any credible information on the subject? Drexel was in this situation before. Drexel held 2 Senior Day ceremonies for Chris Fouch and for Jackie Schluth. Both were honored on senior day while they were applying for waivers, and then honored them again the following year when they returned. Seems to me that if they didn't hold ceremonies for Green and Walton, then they'd be confident that they're coming back.

Regarding Doles, he would have to sit out a year if he decides to transfer. Same with Wynter, who people say might not return. If Wynter doesn't come back, then I don't think Spiker should either. It's the coaches job to make sure that his best players are happy playing here. That would be a huge loss, that I would blame on the coach.
You have been vehemently anti-Spiker for a long time for whatever reason, so I've learned to take everything you say with a grain of salt. That said, if Cam transfers, that would make me a lot more willing to entertain moving on from the coach. I think there is something to be said for having coach stability, but Cam transferring would represent a wider program failing. I probably wouldn't blame it entirely on the coach, but a decent amount of the blame would have to go that direction. I think I'd still be willing to give him a longer leash since rotating quickly through coaches is an excellent way to achieve eternal mediocrity, but it would change the situation significantly.

If the above passes, and Cam/Spiker depart the program, the AD has to do some soul searching into what he envisions. I would personally not have high hopes for any sort of return to relevance unless wholesale changes to the athletic philosophy at Drexel are made.
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(02-25-2020 11:03 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 10:34 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 09:28 AM)dan10 Wrote:  The fact is we did Green and/or Walton a disservice by not having a senior day. I understand both have applied for a hardship waiver, but I am pretty sure Walton applied for one last year and it was rejected. So while it is nice that we are holding out hope, reality is both are likely gone when they don't get that waiver. My guess is Doles will explore other options as well since his role diminished at a time it had a chance to grow. Worst case scenario if everyone gets waivers and returns we will have to either strip a scholarship or make one of the new guys a walk on (Tadas comes to mind). In any case we need to hope that few pieces leave and that the new incoming recruits can give us added depth and production. We need our freshman and Coletrane to gain confidence and want to be a producer. That talent is there we need to find a way to get them all on the same page.

Are you sure that they're going to get rejected and do you have any credible information on the subject? Drexel was in this situation before. Drexel held 2 Senior Day ceremonies for Chris Fouch and for Jackie Schluth. Both were honored on senior day while they were applying for waivers, and then honored them again the following year when they returned. Seems to me that if they didn't hold ceremonies for Green and Walton, then they'd be confident that they're coming back.

Regarding Doles, he would have to sit out a year if he decides to transfer. Same with Wynter, who people say might not return. If Wynter doesn't come back, then I don't think Spiker should either. It's the coaches job to make sure that his best players are happy playing here. That would be a huge loss, that I would blame on the coach.
You have been vehemently anti-Spiker for a long time for whatever reason, so I've learned to take everything you say with a grain of salt. That said, if Cam transfers, that would make me a lot more willing to entertain moving on from the coach. I think there is something to be said for having coach stability, but Cam transferring would represent a wider program failing. I probably wouldn't blame it entirely on the coach, but a decent amount of the blame would have to go that direction. I think I'd still be willing to give him a longer leash since rotating quickly through coaches is an excellent way to achieve eternal mediocrity, but it would change the situation significantly.

If the above passes, and Cam/Spiker depart the program, the AD has to do some soul searching into what he envisions. I would personally not have high hopes for any sort of return to relevance unless wholesale changes to the athletic philosophy at Drexel are made.

I'm not anti-Spiker. I really like the guy, and he represents the program well. That said, I didn't think that he was the best hire for the job, considering that he doesn't seem to have the local recruiting connections. I've always tried to keep a positive spin on things here, and have been criticized by many for doing so. I have also kept an open mind on Spiker and I have been rooting for him to succeed. If I was anti-Spiker, I'd be rooting for him and the program to fail, like some former posters used to do with Bruiser. However, 4 straight failed seasons has me questioning whether or not he can win here. It's also frustrating when my choice for a head coach 4 years ago is coaching our hated arch-rivals and he has our rivals contending for a championship right now. So that's my explanation as to why I have sounded rather negative lately.
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I have tried avoiding even mentioning Cam because I don't even want to acknowledge the possibility. I see no good purpose in throwing that out there. We never know who is reading these boards or anywhere on social media, but bringing those topics up never seems smart as it could implant that thought in the kids mind when it doesnt need to be there. With that said, if he did leave I agree. We would be in a lot of trouble and starting over again.

I also agree without knowing how the waivers are going to go you host them on senior day. If you have to have a 2nd one so be it, but its better than the alternative and the kid not get one. I am completely on board that both should be been honored for senior day. Even if just from the mere fact that they are listed in the program as seniors.

To JB's last point, that is how these things go. Look at the other team's boards that are going through coaches. People are vengeful, and when the school hires someone they didnt want or thought was a bad hire it sticks with them and when they fail they can point to the world and say "I told you so". There were reasons to hire Spiker, and equal reasons that Inglesby could have been a fine hire. Plenty of people who posted, some who don't anymore, had doubts about Spiker. There were reasons for optimism too. The point that gets missed is that whatever happens at Delaware doesnt mean it would happen here. Drexel is not Delaware. Our athletic department and resources are not Delaware. Circumstances make the person more times than not. It is why a coach can be awful in one place then go somewhere else and magically be successful. Drexel is a tough place to win. There are a lot of obstacles you have to hurdles to have success. Spiker is not failing because of his lack of local talent or local recruits. Just like our attendance is not poor because we stopped playing Penn, St Joes etc. Correlation is not causation.
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