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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Battle of metrics, but this one shows in box offense and defense box score +/- how a player effects a game points-wise for every 100 possessions:

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<PRE>                                                                                                                                            
Rk              Player  G GS  MP  PER  TS% eFG% 3PAr   FTr PProd ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS DWS  WS   WS/40 OBPM DBPM  BPM
1        James Wiseman  3  3  69 52.3 .760 .769 .038 1.038    49 21.9 27.0 24.7  4.1  0.8 13.8  7.2  28.7  0.5 0.2 0.8    .437 10.5  5.2 15.7
2         Lance Thomas 24  9 332 13.8 .518 .494 .478  .222    98  6.7 11.8  9.5  5.1  1.8  8.6 14.6  16.6  0.3 0.8 1.2    .139 -0.1  6.2  6.1
3           Alex Lomax 26  4 620 16.9 .562 .496 .132  .566   230  4.1 11.2  8.0 33.0  3.7  1.4 27.8  17.3  1.0 1.6 2.5    .162  1.6  4.4  6.0
4        D.J. Jeffries 19 13 514 16.7 .583 .563 .256  .219   187  4.3 12.0  8.5 11.2  1.5  4.3 15.7  19.3  0.9 1.1 2.0    .158  1.7  4.3  5.9
5    Malcolm Dandridge 19  4 253 11.3 .577 .632 .026  .632    59  6.4 17.0 12.2  8.6  3.4  5.9 36.2  14.5 -0.1 0.8 0.6    .100 -2.8  8.2  5.4
6      Lester Quinones 21 18 597 14.1 .592 .534 .584  .557   222  3.7  9.2  6.7 15.9  1.1  0.5 19.6  18.6  1.1 1.1 2.2    .149  3.3  1.3  4.5
7     Precious Achiuwa 26 26 775 22.4 .534 .518 .111  .477   374 10.8 24.8 18.4  6.6  2.1  6.4 16.8  27.6  1.1 2.4 3.4    .178 -0.8  5.2  4.4
8         Damion Baugh 26 20 538 11.3 .513 .495 .143  .388   153  5.2 13.3  9.6 24.9  3.2  1.4 34.1  15.5  0.0 1.4 1.4    .104 -1.1  5.1  4.0
9         Boogie Ellis 26 22 608 12.2 .483 .440 .482  .403   208  1.7 11.3  6.9 11.1  2.8  0.7 12.7  20.3  0.6 1.4 1.9    .128  0.4  2.6  3.0
10        Tyler Harris 26  0 523 10.6 .526 .492 .701  .196   191  1.1  6.2  3.9  6.4  1.3  0.2 14.9  22.6  0.5 0.9 1.3    .103  0.8 -0.8  0.1
11     Jayden Hardaway 21  1 165  8.0 .537 .513 .513  .205    42  4.2  5.3  4.8  4.5  1.6  0.6 20.4  15.5  0.1 0.3 0.4    .086 -0.9  0.9  0.1
12          Ryan Boyce  5  0  33  2.8 .435 .500 .600  .800     6  3.5  5.9  4.8  5.2  0.0  3.2 12.7  11.3  0.0 0.1 0.1    .066 -2.0  1.6 -0.4
13      Isaiah Maurice 20 10 199 12.6 .490 .469 .338  .308    66  7.0 18.2 13.1  2.0  0.8  8.5 18.6  21.8  0.0 0.5 0.5    .101 -4.3  3.6 -0.7
</PRE>

I hate boxscore metrics because say you score 20 and your man scores 30 and the other team outscores you by 10 that will not show up in box metrics.

If you score, rebound and assist your box metrics will look pretty good. Even though you are -10 while you were on the floor.

This is clearly seen by Precious being the 7th best player on the list.

When you can look at every lineup and put efficiency numbers to it...Good Screens show up, hockey assists show up, closing out on shooters shows up...
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 11:12 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  I feel vindicated in my support for Baugh. After last nights performance I'd start him over LQ. Baugh out-played him in every stat line except assists with 12 fewer minutes. LQ had more minutes than even Precious. I'm still scratching my head over 36 minutes with with less points, less rebounds and more turnovers than Baugh at 4-1. Baugh may get a little wild at times but LQ played out of control for most of the night and was rewarded with the most playing time. Baugh has by far the quickest moves on the floor, matched only by Boogie, if that. Baugh's ceiling is much higher than anyone's, again with the exception of Boogie who has steadily become what everyone expected early on.

AGAIN, Harris and Alo should never be played in tandem and I'm not sure they should ever see any minutes except mop-up and for quick breathers. At this point in their careers they should be showing marked improvement and neither are, in fact I think they've gone backwards. Hell, I'd play Junior over them if nothing else just for his size. And I hate saying this because I was excited when we signed them both. At one point I saw them both as the second coming of Andre Turner. Maybe they'll eventually develop but I'm not so sure.

Baugh seems to be either good or bad. ALo is more even.

Last 6 games Offensive rating ALo vs. Baugh (Above 100 is above average):
Baugh: 29, 42, 70, 103, 130, 205
ALo: 23, 79, 100, 112, 133, 173
Interesting too that Kenpom adds a box score MVP to the box score. The criteria is that the each player is evaluated for efficiency using Hollinger's game score formula with 3 extra points given for being on the winning team. Lomax was selected MVP for 2 games: UConn (at Memphis) and USF (at Memphis). In those 6 games Lester was MVP of the Temple game and Precious for the ECU game.

Lester is up and down with Boogie has been fairly consistent:
Lester: 59, 72, 88, 120, 125, 153
Boogie: 80, 95, 108, 122, 130, 136

Offensive rating calculation:

100*PP/(FGA+0.44*FTA+TO)

Where PP=Points Produced, FGA=Field-Goal Attempts, FTA=Free-Throw Attempts
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

From what I see it is not worth it. He actually hurts other players when he is out there offensively and is liability on defense.

UConn efficiency numbers with Harris...50 Possessions (when Harris was hot)
Offensive : .8858
Defensive : 1.1411

UConn Efficiency numbers without Harris...19 Possessions:
Offensive : .8696
Defensive: .4545

Against USF he had a positive rating but that was due to the end of game rally.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

UConn scored .7 more points per possession when Harris was in the game.

Granted our defense couldn't have maintained holding them to .4545 points per possession without Harris.

But 50 possessions with Harris we gave up 1.1411 Points per Possession.

We were -10 with Harris in 50 possessions and +7 in 18 possessions without Harris.

ECU +12 without Harris(45 Possessions) and -8 with Harris (30 Possessions)
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:50 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  Nice work!

What this tells me is Harris needs to play sparingly. Starters should be
PA
MALCO
ALO
BOOGIE
Q

Back ups

BAUGH
LANCE
HARRIS

I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 10:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I am starting to feel like Harris shouldn't play at all...

Now it may be who he is playing with...He tends to sub directly for Boogie but 8 out of the top 10 lineups that include Harris have a negative Efficiency and most of them aren't close.


But for the games I have loaded on offense we average .91 points per possession with Harris in the game and 1.0664 without Harris in the game. This is the strangest stat because I would have thought he would have helped offensively

(-.1564) points scored every possession. If he plays 20 possessions he cost us 3 points offensively.


We give up 1.0167 points per poss with Harris in the game and .9234 points per without Harris.

(.0933) more points allowed per possession. If he plays 20 possessions we gave up 1.8 points more defensively.

So if Harris plays 20 possessions we are down 4.8 points.

Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

What stat do you like...Offensive efficiency vs. Defensive Efficiency.

I stated earlier in this thread that the teams offensive efficiency is worse while Tyler is on the floor than when he is not(Includes last 7 games).

That means that offensively we score less points per possession while he is on the court than we do when he is not and of course everyone knows he is a defensive liability. Thats 7 games of data including 3 of the best games he has had.

So if we are scoring more points per game in the last 7 games without Tyler Harris why should he play.

Against UCONN we scored .8858 ppp with Tyler and .8696 without Tyler...Not much different with him shooting very well that night.

But guess what...While he was in the game we allowed 1.1411 points per possession and only .4545 when he was out.

How about a 53% defensive rebounding percentage when he was in the game against UCONN (13 offensive to our 15 defensive) vs. 72% when he was out (5 off. to 13 defensive)

UConn didn't shoot a high percentage when Tyler was in the game (40%) but since they rebounded ~half their misses it equated to them being 56% (18-32).

For the past 7 games defensive rebounding percentage was 64% with Tyler and 76% without Tyler.

For the past 7 games teams shoot 37.8% with Tyler but 38.4% without Tyler...So first shots are not the issue.

How about offensive rebounding %.
23% (26 total) with Tyler vs. 24% (30 total) without...No difference there.

Harris shoots the 2nd most shots on the team yet only averages more assists than Lance Thomas among the regulars (.7 a game).
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 03:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

What stat do you like...Offensive efficiency vs. Defensive Efficiency.

I stated earlier in this thread that the teams offensive efficiency is worse while Tyler is on the floor than when he is not(Includes last 7 games).

That means that offensively we score less points per possession while he is on the court than we do when he is not and of course everyone knows he is a defensive liability. Thats 7 games of data including 3 of the best games he has had.

So if we are scoring more points per game in the last 7 games without Tyler Harris why should he play.

Against UCONN we scored .8858 ppp with Tyler and .8696 without Tyler...Not much different with him shooting very well that night.

But guess what...While he was in the game we allowed 1.1411 points per possession and only .4545 when he was out.

How about a 53% defensive rebounding percentage when he was in the game against UCONN (13 offensive to our 15 defensive) vs. 72% when he was out (5 off. to 13 defensive)

UConn didn't shoot a high percentage when Tyler was in the game (40%) but since they rebounded ~half their misses it equated to them being 56% (18-32)
There is a reason why we are 184 in adjusted offense efficiency and it's not because Tyler Harris plays.

We are just a bad offensive team. The numbers dictate that. It's a reason why this team struggles to close games out. It's a reason that we can't hold leads. This team just isn't good offensively. Now the turnovers have a lot to do with it, but still we just aren't good on that end of the floor.

Yet you want to suggest not playing Harris even when he is actually making his shots. Come on it's ridiculous. Harris has to play if he is making shots, you can't leave that shot making ability on the bench when you have struggled offensively pretty much all season.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 04:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

What stat do you like...Offensive efficiency vs. Defensive Efficiency.

I stated earlier in this thread that the teams offensive efficiency is worse while Tyler is on the floor than when he is not(Includes last 7 games).

That means that offensively we score less points per possession while he is on the court than we do when he is not and of course everyone knows he is a defensive liability. Thats 7 games of data including 3 of the best games he has had.

So if we are scoring more points per game in the last 7 games without Tyler Harris why should he play.

Against UCONN we scored .8858 ppp with Tyler and .8696 without Tyler...Not much different with him shooting very well that night.

But guess what...While he was in the game we allowed 1.1411 points per possession and only .4545 when he was out.

How about a 53% defensive rebounding percentage when he was in the game against UCONN (13 offensive to our 15 defensive) vs. 72% when he was out (5 off. to 13 defensive)

UConn didn't shoot a high percentage when Tyler was in the game (40%) but since they rebounded ~half their misses it equated to them being 56% (18-32)
There is a reason why we are 184 in adjusted offense efficiency and it's not because Tyler Harris plays.

We are just a bad offensive team. The numbers dictate that. It's a reason why this team struggles to close games out. It's a reason that we can't hold leads. This team just isn't good offensively. Now the turnovers have a lot to do with it, but still we just aren't good on that end of the floor.

Yet you want to suggest not playing Harris even when he is actually making his shots. Come on it's ridiculous. Harris has to play if he is making shots, you can't leave that shot making ability on the bench when you have struggled offensively pretty much all season.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Yep...Agree to disagree

We do agree we are a below average offensive team but on average we score more points per possession without Harris.

I have posted every stat known to man to backup my claim. Shown that we score more points per possession without Harris...Allow less points per possession without Harris.

On average every possession Tyler plays compared to every lineup without Tyler we lose .25 points (combined offense and defense...Last 7 games)

So not much more that I can do to convince you...
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 04:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

What stat do you like...Offensive efficiency vs. Defensive Efficiency.

I stated earlier in this thread that the teams offensive efficiency is worse while Tyler is on the floor than when he is not(Includes last 7 games).

That means that offensively we score less points per possession while he is on the court than we do when he is not and of course everyone knows he is a defensive liability. Thats 7 games of data including 3 of the best games he has had.

So if we are scoring more points per game in the last 7 games without Tyler Harris why should he play.

Against UCONN we scored .8858 ppp with Tyler and .8696 without Tyler...Not much different with him shooting very well that night.

But guess what...While he was in the game we allowed 1.1411 points per possession and only .4545 when he was out.

How about a 53% defensive rebounding percentage when he was in the game against UCONN (13 offensive to our 15 defensive) vs. 72% when he was out (5 off. to 13 defensive)

UConn didn't shoot a high percentage when Tyler was in the game (40%) but since they rebounded ~half their misses it equated to them being 56% (18-32)
There is a reason why we are 184 in adjusted offense efficiency and it's not because Tyler Harris plays.

We are just a bad offensive team. The numbers dictate that. It's a reason why this team struggles to close games out. It's a reason that we can't hold leads. This team just isn't good offensively. Now the turnovers have a lot to do with it, but still we just aren't good on that end of the floor.

Yet you want to suggest not playing Harris even when he is actually making his shots. Come on it's ridiculous. Harris has to play if he is making shots, you can't leave that shot making ability on the bench when you have struggled offensively pretty much all season.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

If you admit we are not a good offensive team, then why wouldn't you commit to putting the best defensive team on the floor? We aren't going to win games exploiting our weakness.

If we are a defensive team, then you go with that and put the best defensive team we have on the floor as much as possible.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 04:28 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 04:09 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:25 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

What stat do you like...Offensive efficiency vs. Defensive Efficiency.

I stated earlier in this thread that the teams offensive efficiency is worse while Tyler is on the floor than when he is not(Includes last 7 games).

That means that offensively we score less points per possession while he is on the court than we do when he is not and of course everyone knows he is a defensive liability. Thats 7 games of data including 3 of the best games he has had.

So if we are scoring more points per game in the last 7 games without Tyler Harris why should he play.

Against UCONN we scored .8858 ppp with Tyler and .8696 without Tyler...Not much different with him shooting very well that night.

But guess what...While he was in the game we allowed 1.1411 points per possession and only .4545 when he was out.

How about a 53% defensive rebounding percentage when he was in the game against UCONN (13 offensive to our 15 defensive) vs. 72% when he was out (5 off. to 13 defensive)

UConn didn't shoot a high percentage when Tyler was in the game (40%) but since they rebounded ~half their misses it equated to them being 56% (18-32)
There is a reason why we are 184 in adjusted offense efficiency and it's not because Tyler Harris plays.

We are just a bad offensive team. The numbers dictate that. It's a reason why this team struggles to close games out. It's a reason that we can't hold leads. This team just isn't good offensively. Now the turnovers have a lot to do with it, but still we just aren't good on that end of the floor.

Yet you want to suggest not playing Harris even when he is actually making his shots. Come on it's ridiculous. Harris has to play if he is making shots, you can't leave that shot making ability on the bench when you have struggled offensively pretty much all season.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

If you admit we are not a good offensive team, then why wouldn't you commit to putting the best defensive team on the floor? We aren't going to win games exploiting our weakness.

If we are a defensive team, then you go with that and put the best defensive team we have on the floor as much as possible.

The Craziest thing is when You look at all lineups that include Harris over the last 7 games the offensive efficiency is .9199 (worse on the team). I would have never believed this until I saw the numbers

Precious Lineups - .9735
Baugh Lineups - 1.0319 (He plays the least with Tyler)
Boogie Lineups - 1.0188
Lance Lineups - .9943
Q Lineups - 1.0384
Lomax Lineups - 1.0080
Malcolm Lineups - .9666

All Lineups without Tyler Offensive Stats:
Alo Lineups - 1.1129
Lance Lineups - 1.10
Q Lineups - 1.0773
Precious Lineups - 1.0751
Boogie Lineups - 1.0673
Baugh Lineups - 1.0487
Malcolm Lineups - .9058

I think this clearly illustrates that while Tyler can be a very good scorer for himself, he doesn't do enough to make others better.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 03:18 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:44 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:26 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:19 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:06 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Here's my thing on Harris. If he's making shots he has to be on the floor because he becomes way to valuable to be sitting on the bench.

If he's not hitting shots then he doesn't need to be on the floor.

It's really that cut and dry with him at this point.

That's mostly a good take but not always practical. Do you take him out after his 1st miss, 2nd or 4th? Penny somewhat does that. In the last 6 games...

@UConn: 4-8 3-pt played 29 minutes
USF: 5-7 3-pt played 25 minutes
@Cincy: 2-5 3-pt played 21 minutes
Temple: 1-4 3-pt played 18 minutes
UConn: 1-2 3-pt played 15 minutes
ECU: 0-4 3-pt played 15 minutes

If he misses his first 3 shots it's time to take him out, but I also would like to have him on the floor at the end of games if needing to make free throws as he is one of the better FT shooters on the team.

The previous 3 games before last night he was 16/30 (53%) from the field 11/20 (55%) from 3. Hence why his minutes increased in those games.

Penny sees what most of us see. If Harris is knocking down shots he has got to play if he's not he has to sit.

Harris's minutes need to be determined based upon if he is making shots.

The defense will figure itself out.

The Defense will not figure itself out.

Against UConn even with Tyler shooting 4-8 from the 3 he was still -10 in +/-.

In 11 Minutes without Tyler we were +7.

If we need Tyler to shoot 50% from the 3 to break even odds are he isn't going to do that.
Yes it will.

I don't care what his +/- is. I think +/- is one of the most overused stats and it's flawed.

If he is making shots he has to be on the court. Period end of story. We struggle mightily on the offense end a whole lot more than we do on the defensive end. You can't keep him on the bench if he is making his shots you just can't.

The defense will be fine with him out there. Will it be as good? No, but it will be fine. It has the majority of the season.

If he's making shots he has to play 20+ mins if he's not it's 15 tops and I would prefer less than that if he's not making shots.

I’m sorry bro but you can’t argue with the numbers.
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
Have we ever played a lineup of:
Achiuwa
Dandridge
Thomas
Quinones
Ellis
Great size, good shooting, athletic.
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(02-20-2020 11:13 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  Have we ever played a lineup of:
Achiuwa
Dandridge
Thomas
Quinones
Ellis
Great size, good shooting, athletic.

I like this. Switch Baugh and Thomas to have some size coming off the bench.

Boogie
Baugh
Quinones
Precious
Dandridge

Thomas
Lomax

Harris?
Maurice??
Hardaway???
DJ?!?!?!



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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-19-2020 09:33 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 09:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:36 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:08 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

Other Notes:

3rd Most Used Line Terrible Defensively (Alo, Harris, Q, PA and Dandridge) Def. Allows 1.30 ppp
4th Most Used Lineup Terrible Defensively (Harris and Lomax, Q, Boogie, PA) Def. Allows[/code] 1.54 ppp
5th Most Used Lineup (only 18 possessions played MD,PA,Boog,Alo and Q) Off 1.1667 ppp and Def .4878 ppp

you got a link? ive been looking for a lineup efficiency website for awhile. thanks in advance.

No link...

Had to scrape play-by-play from the web to get this.

Wow, good job.

Agree, kudos! 04-cheers 04-bow
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
(02-20-2020 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Battle of metrics, but this one shows in box offense and defense box score +/- how a player effects a game points-wise for every 100 possessions:

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Rk              Player  G GS  MP  PER  TS% eFG% 3PAr   FTr PProd ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS DWS  WS   WS/40 OBPM DBPM  BPM
1        James Wiseman  3  3  69 52.3 .760 .769 .038 1.038    49 21.9 27.0 24.7  4.1  0.8 13.8  7.2  28.7  0.5 0.2 0.8    .437 10.5  5.2 15.7
2         Lance Thomas 24  9 332 13.8 .518 .494 .478  .222    98  6.7 11.8  9.5  5.1  1.8  8.6 14.6  16.6  0.3 0.8 1.2    .139 -0.1  6.2  6.1
3           Alex Lomax 26  4 620 16.9 .562 .496 .132  .566   230  4.1 11.2  8.0 33.0  3.7  1.4 27.8  17.3  1.0 1.6 2.5    .162  1.6  4.4  6.0
4        D.J. Jeffries 19 13 514 16.7 .583 .563 .256  .219   187  4.3 12.0  8.5 11.2  1.5  4.3 15.7  19.3  0.9 1.1 2.0    .158  1.7  4.3  5.9
5    Malcolm Dandridge 19  4 253 11.3 .577 .632 .026  .632    59  6.4 17.0 12.2  8.6  3.4  5.9 36.2  14.5 -0.1 0.8 0.6    .100 -2.8  8.2  5.4
6      Lester Quinones 21 18 597 14.1 .592 .534 .584  .557   222  3.7  9.2  6.7 15.9  1.1  0.5 19.6  18.6  1.1 1.1 2.2    .149  3.3  1.3  4.5
7     Precious Achiuwa 26 26 775 22.4 .534 .518 .111  .477   374 10.8 24.8 18.4  6.6  2.1  6.4 16.8  27.6  1.1 2.4 3.4    .178 -0.8  5.2  4.4
8         Damion Baugh 26 20 538 11.3 .513 .495 .143  .388   153  5.2 13.3  9.6 24.9  3.2  1.4 34.1  15.5  0.0 1.4 1.4    .104 -1.1  5.1  4.0
9         Boogie Ellis 26 22 608 12.2 .483 .440 .482  .403   208  1.7 11.3  6.9 11.1  2.8  0.7 12.7  20.3  0.6 1.4 1.9    .128  0.4  2.6  3.0
10        Tyler Harris 26  0 523 10.6 .526 .492 .701  .196   191  1.1  6.2  3.9  6.4  1.3  0.2 14.9  22.6  0.5 0.9 1.3    .103  0.8 -0.8  0.1
11     Jayden Hardaway 21  1 165  8.0 .537 .513 .513  .205    42  4.2  5.3  4.8  4.5  1.6  0.6 20.4  15.5  0.1 0.3 0.4    .086 -0.9  0.9  0.1
12          Ryan Boyce  5  0  33  2.8 .435 .500 .600  .800     6  3.5  5.9  4.8  5.2  0.0  3.2 12.7  11.3  0.0 0.1 0.1    .066 -2.0  1.6 -0.4
13      Isaiah Maurice 20 10 199 12.6 .490 .469 .338  .308    66  7.0 18.2 13.1  2.0  0.8  8.5 18.6  21.8  0.0 0.5 0.5    .101 -4.3  3.6 -0.7
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RE: Lineups Efficiency Numbers since UCF...May open some eyes.
Tyler will have to play out of necessity regardless of his efficiency. He is the best option with an eight man rotation.
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