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Well the road trip ended 0-2 which basically ended our hope at a top 6 finish. We need 3 wins to even have a chance. This will be a tough win to grab. Hofstra is the clear favorite in the league right now. They attack, attack and attack some more. They continue to get to the FT line as a result. We showed flashes last time we played them before we completely collapsed. We need high energy and stay in front of our men. Need a strong interior game. Let them shoot 3's.

Since the chances of avoiding the play-in are nearly gone, I would much rather us use these last games prior to the tournament to force playing time to our young guys and develop them. I want more Tj. I want more Okros. I want more Coletrane. I want less Cam and Butler. Now is the time to get them some real minutes and hopefully confidence going into the tournament and next season. Even if we play our normal lineups (which I fully expect) this is a bad matchup and likely we get a bad result.

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I know you like to tell it like it is. But it seems like you've completely given up on this team. I hope that the coaches and players feel differently. The 6 seed is still very much alive here. I'm not saying they'll win tomorrow. But they have to defend the home court and compete. If this group of players gets embarrassed on their home court, like you're predicting that they will, then I wouldn't want Spiker back next season. These next 2 games mean a lot for this program. It's time to see what they've got.
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(02-19-2020 08:06 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I know you like to tell it like it is. But it seems like you've completely given up on this team. I hope that the coaches and players feel differently. The 6 seed is still very much alive here. I'm not saying they'll win tomorrow. But they have to defend the home court and compete. If this group of players gets embarrassed on their home court, like you're predicting that they will, then I wouldn't want Spiker back next season. These next 2 games mean a lot for this program. It's time to see what they've got.

I mean... yes. I would also hope that the coaches and players haven't given up. Fans are neither, so we are free to give up whenever we want.

That said, there is no possible result that would have me want Spiker gone after this year. That is a definite way to lose Cam to transfer and to set the program back more than it pushes the program forward. Like I and many other have said, the next two seasons will be the true measure of his coaching. This season, ultimately, is not a litmus test like the next couple seasons will be.
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(02-19-2020 08:53 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:06 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I know you like to tell it like it is. But it seems like you've completely given up on this team. I hope that the coaches and players feel differently. The 6 seed is still very much alive here. I'm not saying they'll win tomorrow. But they have to defend the home court and compete. If this group of players gets embarrassed on their home court, like you're predicting that they will, then I wouldn't want Spiker back next season. These next 2 games mean a lot for this program. It's time to see what they've got.

I mean... yes. I would also hope that the coaches and players haven't given up. Fans are neither, so we are free to give up whenever we want.

That said, there is no possible result that would have me want Spiker gone after this year. That is a definite way to lose Cam to transfer and to set the program back more than it pushes the program forward. Like I and many other have said, the next two seasons will be the true measure of his coaching. This season, ultimately, is not a litmus test like the next couple seasons will be.

I agree. He could lose out and get bounced in the first round and he absolutely should be retained. I don't even think that should be a real concern at this moment. Nobody is giving up on the team. Using your opportunities to further your players is smart. Preparing ourselves the best we can for the tournament and next season seems well intended. Obviously on paper and reality are different, but trying to better prepare for the only games that matter and the future is hardly giving up.

You think being a game back and losing tiebreakers with remaining games of HU, NU, @UNCW, @CofC is favorable? Sorry, but 3 of those are top teams in the conference. Hofstra is just a bad matchup for us, worst in the conference. I think we can beat NU at home, but I don't know how you can feel good about winning 2 games on the road. So as far as giving up, yes I gave up last weekend on the 6th seed, but not the season. If we come out firing against Hofstra that is great. Pedal to the metal, but that is not a game I see that happening in.
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(02-19-2020 07:49 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Need a strong interior game. Let them shoot 3's.
Here's how Hofstra shoots and allows threes:

First 16 games: Shot 116/363 = .320, Opponents 111/346 = .321, 11-5 (.688)
Last 11 games: Shot 94/229 = .410, Opponents 69/234 = .295, 9-2 (.818)
Season: Shot 210/592 = .355, Opponents 180/580 = .310, 20-7 (.741)

For the opponents, it would have made more sense to go by first 18 and last 9, but I wanted to use the same period for both. Hofstra has an SOS of 248th and Non-Conference SOS of 301st. The first 16 are 12 non-conference vs. Division I, 1 non-Division I, JMU, Towson, and W&M. The three CAA games probably gave Hofstra an SOS better than 301st in their first 16 games, but I think the last 11 games had a harder SOS, and a winning percentage .130 better.

Bickerstaff is really unusual in that he made 1.47 times as many free throws as field goals. The NCAA average is 0.52 made free throws per made field goal. Hofstra, who leads the CAA in free throws made, has 0.58 made free throws per made field goal. You have 0.50, so even with Bickerstaff you're a little lower than average.

https://gohofstra.com/news/2020/2/18/men...pride.aspx is Hofstra's preview titled "MBB: Drexel Next Up For Streaking Pride."

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/h...game28.pdf is Hofstra's Game Notes.

I'll give a note about Hofstra's starters. Players are listed by academic year, not athletic year, so Hofstra is listed starting three seniors and two juniors, but here are how many years they have left:

Desure Buie: Fifth year senior is graduating (had an injury redshirt)
Eli Pemberton: Fourth year senior is graduating
Jalen Ray: Third year junior
Isaac Kante: Third year junior is a sophomore for athletics with two seasons left (had a transfer redshirt)
Tareq Coburn: Fourth year senior is a junior for athletics with one season left (had a transfer redshirt)
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Which adds to the point you are shooting 3's better recently but still attacking often and getting to the FT line. You guys are a bad matchup for us. We are not a good enough defensive team to compete well against dual threat teams. So where JB took my post to be the sky is falling, the fact is HU just happens to be the worst matchup for this team and it comes at a bad time.
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(02-19-2020 11:04 AM)EvanJ Wrote:  I'll give a note about Hofstra's starters. Players are listed by academic year, not athletic year, so Hofstra is listed starting three seniors and two juniors, but here are how many years they have left:

Desure Buie: Fifth year senior is graduating (had an injury redshirt)
Eli Pemberton: Fourth year senior is graduating
Jalen Ray: Third year junior
Isaac Kante: Third year junior is a sophomore for athletics with two seasons left (had a transfer redshirt)
Tareq Coburn: Fourth year senior is a junior for athletics with one season left (had a transfer redshirt)
For ours:

Cam Wynter- 2nd sophomore- 2 seasons left
Sam Green- 4th year senior (last recruit from Bruiser)- 0 seasons left
Mate Okros- 1st year freshman- 3 seasons left
Zach Walton- 2nd year senior (1st year transfer and sat, 2nd year got injured and this year)- 0 seasons left seemingly
James Butler- 2nd year junior (sat transfer year, 2nd playing year for us)- 1 season left
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Here's something that could be good for you. The CAA talked to Mihalich and Buie. When asked about Hofstra's 6 game winning streak, Mihalich said that if you watched Hofstra's practice you would be talking about the end of the winning streak because it was a horrible practice. He said that before Hofstra lost by 27 hosting W&M, and he might have said that before Hofstra lost by 2 hosting Delaware also. As a Hofstra fan, I wish Mihalich could reduce how often practices are horrible and/or make Hofstra play better in games after horrible practices.
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I do have that hope in the back of my head that Hofstra will be looking ahead to the Delaware game on Saturday.
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Spread was 4 this morning. Certainly points towards Drexel which is interesting
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Spread makes sense since Drexel is 10-3 at home this year. Still it's basically saying that Hofstra is 8 or 9 points better on a neutral court.
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Hofstra took four leads, you tied at after the first three, and that was before you missed. Hofstra leads 11-9 and has the ball. Your graphic doesn't have separation in the numbers, so it looks like 119 rather than the separate numbers 11 and 9.

Edit: The graphic I mentioned is what you show before breaks. The graphic during play with each team on its own line in fine. You went on an 8-0 run to go up 15-11, but Hofstra tied it at 15 and has the ball. Butler tried for an offensive rebound by saving the ball from going out of bounds, but he sent it out of bounds in a different place. He's scored 8 without missing, and none of the shots were from near the basket.

Edit: Hofstra went on a 9-0 run to lead 20-15, and it's 24-19 after Buie scored and you called timeout with 7:43 left. Butler needed only 9:46 to reach double-digits, but with a chance at a three-point play to reach 11, he missed your only free throw attempt so far. Hofstra is 2-2 from a shooting foul drawn by Pemberton. Butler has shot 5-5 tonight and 15-18 against Hofstra this season.

Edit: You slowed Hofstra's offense down and lead 31-28 with 3:33. Wynter threw the ball out of bounds to give Hofstra the ball after the timeout. Butler and Walton have 10. Butler averages 11.7 rebounds and 1.9 assists. Isaac Kante averages 7.7 rebounds and 0.8 assists. Both of them have 1 more assist than rebound!

Edit: You lead 35-34. Walton scored 10 in the last 9:07 to lead all scorers with 14. Butler scored 10, but his last score was with 10:14 left. Wynter scored 2 which were with 5:11 left. With 6 rebounds and 5 assists, he's on pace for a triple-double. Pemberton has 3 rebounds, and they are the only two players on either team with more than 2 rebounds. There haven't been many rebounds because both teams are shooting well. Given how good the field goal shooting is, you'd expect more than 69 combined points, but the score is kept down by only 4 made free throws (all by Hofstra) and 15 turnovers (9 by you). You made 3 threes, and Washington, Green, and Okros made 1 and have 3 points each. You have 12 assists on 16 field goals. You shot threes 3-9 and shot twos a spectacular 13-18 (.722). Buie scored 11 and led all players with 3 assists. Kante had 10 points on 5-6 shooting, but only 2 rebounds. Pemberton had 7 points and made only 1 of 5 twos. Jalen Ray shot 2-6 and had 4 points and 2 assists. Tareq Coburn scored 2, and his two field goal attempts were made with 19:43 left and missed with 16:07 left. He got 6 minutes off without being in foul trouble. Kante got 6 minutes off, and Kevin Schutte and Stafford Trueheart played 6 minutes without shooting. Buie, Pemberton, and Ray played the whole half. Hofstra has rarely been using Caleb Burgess and Omar Silverio, who are their most used guards off the bench.
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I'll make a new post for the second half. You missed twice and got 2 offensive rebounds before Butler scored on the first possession of the second half to go up 37-34. Hofstra leads 44-41, Okros committed his third foul, and you have 3 fouls in the first 3:17 of the half. Walton has a chance a three-point play, and he will tie it at 46 if he makes a free throw with 15:54 left after the timeout. Walton has 18, and Buis has 17.

Delaware leads Northeastern 54-31. W&M leads Towson 41-25, and JMU leads Elon 35-34. The CAA has two margins of 1 and two blowouts.

Edit: You called timeout when Hofstra went up 63-59 with 9:22 left. Hofstra has a 17-5 advantage in points off turnovers. Nobody has led by more than 5.

Edit: Hofstra leads 65-61 with 8:00. Delaware is up 25, but W&M's lead that peaked at 17 is down to 6. Elon leads JMU 45-41.

Edit: You went on a 6-0 run to go up 67-65, but Pemberton had a three-point play and Kante made 2 free throws from a one-and-one to go up 70-67. There's 3:42 left. Delaware beat Northeastern 70-48. Elon leads JMU 53-46, and this is the closest CAA game. Butler scored to go down 70-69, but Pemberton made a three and Buie made a two to go up 75-69, which is the first team either team led by more than 5. Spiker complained that Buie elbowed Washington, and Spiker got called for a technical. Buie made 1 to go up 76-69.
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So they played hard tonight. They competed against the best team in the conference, and they didn't embarrass themselves like dan10 predicted might happen. But in the end, it's a business based on wins. They still lost and lost 7 of 8. Good coaches don't let their teams lose 7 out of 8 games four years into their coaching tenure.
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Buie, Pemberton, and Ray played 40 minutes, and Hofstra took their largest lead with 2:46 left. When Hofstra was up by 4 with 7:28 left I think it was Wynter who made a three that didn't count because the shot clock expired. The play was reviewed for two reasons, to check if he was behind the three-point line, and to check if he shot on time. They didn't show any replays with the shot and the arena clock, but based on the screen clock another Hofstra fan and I thought he shot in time. I'm not saying the refs got it wrong after the replay because I didn't see what they saw, and there was another game where the shot beat the incorrect screen clock but didn't beat the arena game clock. I think it was when JMU held on to win 80-78 at ODU. JMU almost blew a big lead, and the ruling on the court was an ODU win at the buzzer before replay showed somebody shot too late.

Butler was on pace for a triple-double at halftime and came up just short with 23 points, 14 rebounds, and 9 assists. His previous career-high was 5 assists. He became the fifth player since 2010-2011 to have at least 23 points, at least 14 rebounds, and at least 9 assists. He's the only active player who did that. The previous player was Duke's R.J. Barrett on January 14, 2019. Duke lost that game to Syracuse, and in those five games the player's team is only 3-2 and 2-2 vs. Division I. I'm going to tweet about Butler at twitter.com/EvanJ3535 Wynter had 7 assists, and you became the first team in over a year to have at least 23 assists against Hofstra.

You fell 0.5 games behind Elon, who won at JMU. Elon has a hard remaining schedule at Towson, off next Thursday, and at W&M.

You must win hosting Northeastern to keep a chance at a bye.
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It was definitely a good effort, too many turnovers and didnt get enough stops. Hofstra basically had whatever they wanted at or near the basket. We did not make them beat us from 3. Our offense did their best to stay in it, but obviously fell short. If that offense would just travel with the team each game they would a really good team. But inconsistencies don't get you very far.

We had an opportunity last night with NU gets pasted by the Hens, instead we feel to 8th as Elon passed us. Now we need to finish 3-0 to have any chance at avoiding the play-in game (NU still has JMU). Even 3-0 may not be good enough as I still think even if we beat NU Saturday they will beat JMU and Towson.
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(02-20-2020 09:47 PM)J.B. Wrote:  So they played hard tonight. They competed against the best team in the conference, and they didn't embarrass themselves like dan10 predicted might happen. But in the end, it's a business based on wins. They still lost and lost 7 of 8. Good coaches don't let their teams lose 7 out of 8 games four years into their coaching tenure.

maybe we should be honest with ourselves that we're a women's basketball school. that's a step up from a squash and crew school in my book.

honestly i'm not following close enough to make any kind of call about the coach. i was ready to buy in after homecoming weekend...but not now. at least the big east is entertaining this year so i have some kind of college basketball to watch. penn state is improved too.
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Not sure what the tiebreakers are between you guys and Northeastern if you win Saturday. HTH would be tied obviously. So, if Drexel can win Saturday, I guess someone can figure out the possibilities. I can see JMU winning at home on Saturday over the Tribe in their last game at their current basketball home(the Convo Center). But, I see no chance that they win at either Northeastern or Hofstra. So, Hofstra locks up the regular season title with a win at Delaware Saturday. If they lose, then they would need to beat Towson at home on Thursday to lock up the title. Lots of possibilities for seeds 2-5, but likely Northeastern, Elon and Drexel are now battling for 6-8. Thought you guys might win with about 4 minutes to go last night. Hofstra is very solid though this season and the clear best team from start to finish. Ironically, I still think they were better last season than this one.
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Our last five losses are all single-digit losses, and we were leading at halftime in three of them, so at least we're being competitive. At some point, though, this team has to learn how to close out games. That's partly explainable by the fact that this is still a generally young team, but the Towson and Elon games especially loom large. Just winning one of them would have put this team in a much better spot.
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(02-21-2020 08:50 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:47 PM)J.B. Wrote:  So they played hard tonight. They competed against the best team in the conference, and they didn't embarrass themselves like dan10 predicted might happen. But in the end, it's a business based on wins. They still lost and lost 7 of 8. Good coaches don't let their teams lose 7 out of 8 games four years into their coaching tenure.

maybe we should be honest with ourselves that we're a women's basketball school. that's a step up from a squash and crew school in my book.

honestly i'm not following close enough to make any kind of call about the coach. i was ready to buy in after homecoming weekend...but not now. at least the big east is entertaining this year so i have some kind of college basketball to watch. penn state is improved too.

Well we are Denise Dillon's team. We were lousy before she showed up hopefully she has built enough behind her that when Nova grabs her this offseason that we can mostly maintain stability. We still have only danced 1 time, and this year still doesnt give me a good feeling (I think JMU is better than we are).

We definitely need to invest in the men's program if we want it to actually add anything. To me there is so much potential, which we started to see back in '06-'12. But that will take a lot of effort and also finding the right coach. I like a lot about Spiker, but I am not sure with average at best defense that it will ever be a consistent winning strategy. Drexel is a tough and unique place to coach, we definitely need to stop hindering ourselves and either take it seriously or move where we are better aligned. You can be good at the prestigious rich kid sports (crew, squash, lax) and still focus resources on the money making sports aka men's basketball. We definitely need a switch in mentality. I would go so far to even say the guys we are recruiting are excellent people but sometimes to win you have to go after talent and not just high academic players. It is nice that we don't have player controversies like we have had in the past, but at the same time we need a higher caliber athlete if we wish to compete every year. Just my opinion.

Edit: The CAA is still wide open for the taking, if we choose to do so. You have to want to be top dog if you are going to be the top dog.
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