(02-20-2020 07:56 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

I'm going to nitpick here...

Where CFP documents discuss the NewYears 6 or NY6 bowls - Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, and Peach - they describe the first three as contract bowls and discuss the contract bowl conferences and their champions' placement/replacement. THEN there is the provision for a slot for the highest ranked champion of one of the conferences which do not have a contract.
So yes the words "group" and "of" and "five" do appear in that order. But they are not capitalized or otherwise emphasized or set off.
Media grabbed onto the words "the group of five conferences without contracts" and turned it into Group of Five / G5 and then invented Power Five / P5.

CFP's definition, though, is contract-bowl-conferences and non-contract-bowl conferences. So rather than the fact it's not a coincidence, I'd say it's a chicken-egg discussion: in a CFP context, the "power" is derived from having the contract.

The chicken and the egg aspect was relevant the first couple of BCS contracts. SWC was blown up and those who ended up in the XII became power schools while those who ended CUSA and WAC settled into the have nots.

Also around the same time the 85 scholarship rule was positively impacting those in a BCS conference. Notre Dame and Penn State couldn't horde all the players anymore. Rutgers a decade later in the Top 25. The impossible happened.

In the CFP negotiations the division between the P5 and what would become the G5 was present and fully understood.

(02-20-2020 09:32 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 07:56 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

I'm going to nitpick here...

Where CFP documents discuss the NewYears 6 or NY6 bowls - Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, and Peach - they describe the first three as contract bowls and discuss the contract bowl conferences and their champions' placement/replacement. THEN there is the provision for a slot for the highest ranked champion of one of the conferences which do not have a contract.
So yes the words "group" and "of" and "five" do appear in that order. But they are not capitalized or otherwise emphasized or set off.
Media grabbed onto the words "the group of five conferences without contracts" and turned it into Group of Five / G5 and then invented Power Five / P5.

CFP's definition, though, is contract-bowl-conferences and non-contract-bowl conferences. So rather than the fact it's not a coincidence, I'd say it's a chicken-egg discussion: in a CFP context, the "power" is derived from having the contract.

The chicken and the egg aspect was relevant the first couple of BCS contracts. SWC was blown up and those who ended up in the XII became power schools while those who ended CUSA and WAC settled into the have nots.

Also around the same time the 85 scholarship rule was positively impacting those in a BCS conference. Notre Dame and Penn State couldn't horde all the players anymore. Rutgers a decade later in the Top 25. The impossible happened.

In the CFP negotiations the division between the P5 and what would become the G5 was present and fully understood.

Pragmatic separation of the haves and have-nots, certainly.
My nitpick centered on YNot's capitalizing and offsetting with quotation marks.

I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

I also think that an FBS split time has come, it’s too big to accommodate all 130 schools on just a few networks the G5 can go and establish itself free and clear from ncaa and the a5
It’s a great opportunity who’s time has arrived

(02-19-2020 10:46 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  I have never and will never agree with you .

It is a made up term by ESPiN .

You can not believe that there is a group of five football conferences that negotiated their place in the CFP contract together, that share one CFP share among themselves, and that have an agreement with the CFP that among their five champions, the one that is ranked the most highly by the CFP committee gets allocated to one of the three NY6 Access Bowls ...

... but the facts are the facts, and those are the facts.

The problem with the proposal in the OP is that it does not provide any net benefit to the schools in that group of five conferences. Since there is guaranteed access to the NY6 bowls, there is no reason to give away the current CCG's for an obviously makeshift set of CCG's played during Rivalry Week, and all five giving away their CCG media property to their media partners for free as part of their regular season media rights ... just to have the top two play during CCG week.

And what if the CFP committee thought that the loser of the CCG game was still the better team? You go to all of that trouble and everyone sacrifices part of their media revenue to set up a quasi-play-in game for the Access Bowl slot ... and the CFP can kill interest in that game by highlighting the fact that it is a quasi play-in game and not a real play-in game.

(02-20-2020 09:07 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 08:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 07:56 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

I'm going to nitpick here...

Where CFP documents discuss the NewYears 6 or NY6 bowls - Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, and Peach - they describe the first three as contract bowls and discuss the contract bowl conferences and their champions' placement/replacement. THEN there is the provision for a slot for the highest ranked champion of one of the conferences which do not have a contract.
So yes the words "group" and "of" and "five" do appear in that order. But they are not capitalized or otherwise emphasized or set off.
Media grabbed onto the words "the group of five conferences without contracts" and turned it into Group of Five / G5 and then invented Power Five / P5.

CFP's definition, though, is contract-bowl-conferences and non-contract-bowl conferences. So rather than the fact it's not a coincidence, I'd say it's a chicken-egg discussion: in a CFP context, the "power" is derived from having the contract.

Sidebar, agree that Notre Dame is included in any capture of "power" by being included in the Orange Bowl contract, but moreover has presence in governance structure that none of the other independents have.

While I opened that I was nitpicking, I'm now standing by for Captain Obvious gifs

First time I heard it was an interview with Benson during early negotiations for the new CFP. Im paraphrasing---but his quote was something like "Its similar to how it is now with 5 AQ conferences and a group of five conferences that arent AQ."

And when the CFP was being negotiated, there were SIX auto-qual conferences in the BCS construct...

Thinking back, he must not have given a specific number for the AQ conferences because I remember many AAC fans latched on to the quote as an indication that the Big East/AAC was going to remain AQ. That view assumed the WAC would be the 5th non-AQ (not the AAC).

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

It is a made up term by ESPiN . See I did that in one short line. No time to read your drivel. It is Division I FBS football

(02-21-2020 04:07 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

It is a made up term by ESPiN . See I did that in one short line. No time to read your drivel. It is Division I FBS football

It's easy to take only one line for something that you just made up. It doesn't have to be true, and your statement is clearly not true. What is also clearly true is that you are going to believe whatever fits your agenda, whether it's true or not. So you can keep living in your make-believe world, and we can keep ignoring you.

(02-20-2020 05:45 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 03:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Why would the G5 want this?

Unless TV Networks are just going to offer up like $10 million per conference (they wont) there isn't much incentive for the G5 to go along

I hope you are right.

The way I look at it, all or nearly all of the G5 schools are FBS because they want to be seen as equals to the P5. Even though they know the prestige of their conference is not the same as say the SEC or ACC being in the same subdivision is a huge selling point to prospective students and alumni.

By doing a G5 Playoff, they're essentially admitting that they aren't on the same level and it hurts prestige. So unless each school is getting a huge check, there's just no incentive.

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

How much does it take for the G5 schools to voluntarily agree to drop down a level. Is that worth $1 million/school? Because I don't think there is $65 million/year out there for a TV network to cover a G5 playoff.

(02-21-2020 04:07 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:19 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:20 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  There is no such thing as the G5!!!

There is DIVISION I FBS FOOTBALL!!!

5 Conferences may never sniff a playoff spot, but all those teams are still DIVISION I FBS !!

PERIOD

It's not just perception.

The "Group of Five" is literally a defined *contractual term* in the CFP contract. The highest ranking champion among the five champions of those five "Group of Five" conferences gets then NY6 bid to the Fiesta, Peach or Cotton Bowl. No other Division I schools are involved in this "Group of Five" bowl selection process.

The "Group of Five" is literally defined as the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MWC and Sun Belt conferences. It does not include any school from the SEC, the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, or the PAC 12 and does not include Notre Dame, BYU, Army, NMSU, UMass, UConn or Liberty and involves no schools from the FCS ranks.

G5 is shorthand for "Group of Five."

The five "Autonomy" conference literally have their own voting structure within the formal NCAA organization and significant rights not available to any other Division I schools. The Autonomy conferences are very literally the SEC, the Big Ten, THe PAC 12, the Big 12, the ACC and Notre Dame. The G5 can follow the rules and processes implemented by the Autonomy conferences, but they do not have the same voting rights and do not have an equal seat at the Autonomy governing table.

P5 is the shorthand for the "Autonomy" conferences, including Notre Dame.

So, yes, there literally are G5 and P5 conferences, legally and structurally. It's not just perception.

And, not coincidentally, it is only the P5 conference that each have a *signed contract* with one of the NY6 bowl games - even Notre Dame. And, it's no coincidence that their media payouts are multiple times larger than any other non-P5 school or conference.

It is a made up term by ESPiN . See I did that in one short line. No time to read your drivel. It is Division I FBS football

The G5 really exists!!!

(Even shorter and note the use of exclamation points. Ignored.)

(02-21-2020 09:22 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 05:45 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 03:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Why would the G5 want this?

Unless TV Networks are just going to offer up like $10 million per conference (they wont) there isn't much incentive for the G5 to go along

I hope you are right.

The way I look at it, all or nearly all of the G5 schools are FBS because they want to be seen as equals to the P5. Even though they know the prestige of their conference is not the same as say the SEC or ACC being in the same subdivision is a huge selling point to prospective students and alumni.

I seriously doubt any recruit or alumni is actually impressed by the notion that ECU is in the same subdivision as Alabama or Clemson. They know the reality of the situation. I mean, that's only going to possibly matter if you are competing with an FCS school for a recruit, and if a player is seriously considering FCS, then they probably aren't that big of a catch anyway.

I do think that administrators care a lot about the designation, though, because it does have tangible benefits for them - whereas the school's football team isn't actually sharing a field with Alabama, they get to go to NCAA and CFP meetings where they really do hob-nob with counterparts from the B1G and PAC and SEC. That is great for them as far as their ego is concerned and more practically, for networking for better jobs at those bigger institutions. It's one reason I think it is the school's administration, academic and athletic, that are usually among the fiercest opponents of proposals to drop athletics or move down a level, etc. They have the greatest interest in that.

NO!!!

(02-21-2020 12:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:22 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 05:45 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 03:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Why would the G5 want this?

Unless TV Networks are just going to offer up like $10 million per conference (they wont) there isn't much incentive for the G5 to go along

I hope you are right.

The way I look at it, all or nearly all of the G5 schools are FBS because they want to be seen as equals to the P5. Even though they know the prestige of their conference is not the same as say the SEC or ACC being in the same subdivision is a huge selling point to prospective students and alumni.

I seriously doubt any recruit or alumni is actually impressed by the notion that ECU is in the same subdivision as Alabama or Clemson. They know the reality of the situation. I mean, that's only going to possibly matter if you are competing with an FCS school for a recruit, and if a player is seriously considering FCS, then they probably aren't that big of a catch anyway.

I do think that administrators care a lot about the designation, though, because it does have tangible benefits for them - whereas the school's football team isn't actually sharing a field with Alabama, they get to go to NCAA and CFP meetings where they really do hob-nob with counterparts from the B1G and PAC and SEC. That is great for them as far as their ego is concerned and more practically, for networking for better jobs at those bigger institutions. It's one reason I think it is the school's administration, academic and athletic, that are usually among the fiercest opponents of proposals to drop athletics or move down a level, etc. They have the greatest interest in that.

Are you suggesting that egos are involved here? I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you! Next you'll be telling us that it's not just administrators' egos, but boosters and fans as well.

(02-21-2020 09:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

How much does it take for the G5 schools to voluntarily agree to drop down a level. Is that worth $1 million/school? Because I don't think there is $65 million/year out there for a TV network to cover a G5 playoff.

Im not sure there is any money waiting for that. All those proposed matchups could happen in bowls today---but nobody has thrown a big money offer at any G5's to sign a deal to pit their champs against one another in a big money NYD bowl. NBC could do it. FOX could do it. CBS could do it. ESPN could do it. TBS or Netflix could do it. Yet, nobody has. Based on that fact alone---Im skeptical there is any big payoff waiting for a G5 playoff.

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

If the G5 were to split from the NCAA, what rules would you change?

(02-21-2020 12:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:22 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 05:45 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 03:48 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Why would the G5 want this?

Unless TV Networks are just going to offer up like $10 million per conference (they wont) there isn't much incentive for the G5 to go along

I hope you are right.

The way I look at it, all or nearly all of the G5 schools are FBS because they want to be seen as equals to the P5. Even though they know the prestige of their conference is not the same as say the SEC or ACC being in the same subdivision is a huge selling point to prospective students and alumni.

I seriously doubt any recruit or alumni is actually impressed by the notion that ECU is in the same subdivision as Alabama or Clemson. They know the reality of the situation. I mean, that's only going to possibly matter if you are competing with an FCS school for a recruit, and if a player is seriously considering FCS, then they probably aren't that big of a catch anyway.

I do think that administrators care a lot about the designation, though, because it does have tangible benefits for them - whereas the school's football team isn't actually sharing a field with Alabama, they get to go to NCAA and CFP meetings where they really do hob-nob with counterparts from the B1G and PAC and SEC. That is great for them as far as their ego is concerned and more practically, for networking for better jobs at those bigger institutions. It's one reason I think it is the school's administration, academic and athletic, that are usually among the fiercest opponents of proposals to drop athletics or move down a level, etc. They have the greatest interest in that.

I mean of course they all know there is a difference. But being in the same subdivision is a big deal. There's a reason all these schools want to move up and only Idaho has ever moved down - prestige.

(02-21-2020 12:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

How much does it take for the G5 schools to voluntarily agree to drop down a level. Is that worth $1 million/school? Because I don't think there is $65 million/year out there for a TV network to cover a G5 playoff.

Im not sure there is any money waiting for that. All those proposed matchups could happen in bowls today---but nobody has thrown a big money offer at any G5's to sign a deal to pit their champs against one another in a big money NYD bowl. NBC could do it. FOX could do it. CBS could do it. ESPN could do it. TBS or Netflix could do it. Yet, nobody has. Based on that fact alone---Im skeptical there is any big payoff waiting for a G5 playoff.

Exactly. A G5 playoff would generate pennies and pennies aren't enough for the G5 to pack their bags and go home. What is the incentive? They're better off competing the way they are and hoping for more bowl matchups and non conference games with P5 teams.

(02-21-2020 09:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

How much does it take for the G5 schools to voluntarily agree to drop down a level. Is that worth $1 million/school? Because I don't think there is $65 million/year out there for a TV network to cover a G5 playoff.

$1 mil/school/year would be enough for the Sunbelt, MAC, CUSA & half of the MWC. The AAC (and maybe one or two teams from the MWC) wants no part of that, they're closer to the "P5" than "G4". Honestly so much so that if the Big 12 were to expand and take 2 AAC teams idk if it fully torpedoes the conference, there's depth there now.

(02-21-2020 10:57 PM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 09:33 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 09:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  I’d like to see a g5 playoff sometime soon but not just yet
If the g5 were offered a big chunk of money to do a real playoff “ ( conference champions and some wild cards, no committee)”, mybe this would change the minds of y’all naysayers
Throw in the fact that the A5 has a predetermined champion with their committee and we play at the same time on our network I think it has a great chance to showcase our better playoff product
I think a g5 split from the NCAA is a must, we need to make our own rules, set our own scholarship limits and all those kind of things

How much does it take for the G5 schools to voluntarily agree to drop down a level. Is that worth $1 million/school? Because I don't think there is $65 million/year out there for a TV network to cover a G5 playoff.

$1 mil/school/year would be enough for the Sunbelt, MAC, CUSA & half of the MWC. The AAC (and maybe one or two teams from the MWC) wants no part of that, they're closer to the "P5" than "G4". Honestly so much so that if the Big 12 were to expand and take 2 AAC teams idk if it fully torpedoes the conference, there's depth there now.

Between the CFP and the NCAAT, every G5 school is getting more than $2 million a year. Add to that the amounts individual schools get for selling W's to P5 teams and you are looking at close to $3 Million. Leave the NCAA and all that is gone, with no apparent source of revenue to replace it.

It isn't just the AAC and a few MWC schools that would opt out of secession. Most of the G5 would say "hell no". You would be hard pressed to find enough schools to come with you to make up two conferences. A G5 departure from the NCAA is a non-starter.