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Keatts brought in transfer guys and jucos who worked out for him-it can go wrong just as easily. They are older players who have been around but they also can come with some warts and that can be a real problem, He has the same type roster now at NCSU and it's not exactly great for him there -other than last night. The next coach might have to go that route to get a big man and a point guard ready to play. The transfer rules might change in 2021 and that could be a real gamechanger for schools like UNCW.
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(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

I don't see Burke recruiting a higher level of talent than before. He might construct a roster differently or maybe even a different style of player but you're acting like he some esteemed recruiter. I like Burke but for you to assume he's going to be able recruit at the level Keatts is a bold way of thinking. If Burke gets this job it will be for his ability to gameplan and motivate, not his recruiting ability. If what you're saying is correct and he's never had any impact on the recruiting at UNCW, then he's never had experience recruiting at this level. His only other assistant job was The Citadel, which can't recruit anywhere near the same level of talent that we can.


Not assuming anything. You and others assumed he had a hand in recruiting this roster and is therefore responsible for it. I disagree and stated my reasons why. Also pointing out how little he has to work with to win games. We are severely lacking offensive talent on this team and there's not much he can do about it as the interim coach. When you look at this team and realize they would have been challenged to beat the bench players on the Keatts teams, its a reality check on what he has to work with.

Nobody has any idea what type of talent he could recruit, and I didn't in any way say he would recruit players of the caliber of Keatts or any particular level. We also have no idea how any other coach could recruit to UNCW either...until they get here and do it. The UNC "ties" route has been tried twice, and the level of recruitment based on those ties hasn't been impressive.

I trust Burkes basktball instincts and I would trust his ability to identify talent that others may miss. I also would trust his ability to connect with players and parents in convincing them to come to UNCW and to play for him. I love the fact he sees UNCW as a championship level competitor.
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You stated we need to recruit our way out of where we're at now while referencing the talent Keatts had in multiple posts. Sounds like to me you're saying you that you trust Burke to be able to recruit that caliber of talent. I'm not saying he can't, but with no track record of ever doing so its a bold way of thinking.
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(02-20-2020 12:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  You stated we need to recruit our way out of where we're at now while referencing the talent Keatts had in multiple posts. Sounds like to me you're saying you that you trust Burke to be able to recruit that caliber of talent. I'm not saying he can't, but with no track record of ever doing so its a bold way of thinking.

Not to mention he's AGAIN ignored that the rest of the conference has dropped talent wise too.
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(02-20-2020 12:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  You stated we need to recruit our way out of where we're at now while referencing the talent Keatts had in multiple posts. Sounds like to me you're saying you that you trust Burke to be able to recruit that caliber of talent. I'm not saying he can't, but with no track record of ever doing so its a bold way of thinking.

The reference to Keatts TEAMS was to have something to compare to talent wise. Yes, they were good, but they weren't CAA undefeated, NCAA third round good. BUT, they were better at EVERY position compared to now. Does anyone seriously believe we have talent, size, experience, depth that is anything past bottom three in the CAA now, even if the rest of the CAA is down as well?

I trust Burke to recruit at a talent level beyond what we have now, not for sure to the level of what we had with Keatts. I've said that multiple times and have no idea how to make it more clear. I expect he could recruit at a level where we are top 3 in the CAA. His passion for the program, connections as a coach for 20 years and knowledge of the game would help. I also don't know who else could recruit to the level of Keatts? At least he TOLD us what he needs and we have offers out to cover those needs. Exactly what many on here wanted to see. Does anyone disagree with the needs identified or the offers out?

I'm still waiting to hear a strategy for THIS roster to win that a superior coach would use to win more than Burke has? Haven't heard a peep yet, just that SOMETHING should work.
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(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

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(02-20-2020 03:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

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To be fair C.B. would've probably gotten waxed with the Keatts teams that 82 posted.
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(02-20-2020 03:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(02-19-2020 09:57 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

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So now we are into Moral victories again?
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(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  You stated we need to recruit our way out of where we're at now while referencing the talent Keatts had in multiple posts. Sounds like to me you're saying you that you trust Burke to be able to recruit that caliber of talent. I'm not saying he can't, but with no track record of ever doing so its a bold way of thinking.

The reference to Keatts TEAMS was to have something to compare to talent wise. Yes, they were good, but they weren't CAA undefeated, NCAA third round good. BUT, they were better at EVERY position compared to now. Does anyone seriously believe we have talent, size, experience, depth that is anything past bottom three in the CAA now, even if the rest of the CAA is down as well?

I trust Burke to recruit at a talent level beyond what we have now, not for sure to the level of what we had with Keatts. I've said that multiple times and have no idea how to make it more clear. I expect he could recruit at a level where we are top 3 in the CAA. His passion for the program, connections as a coach for 20 years and knowledge of the game would help. I also don't know who else could recruit to the level of Keatts? At least he TOLD us what he needs and we have offers out to cover those needs. Exactly what many on here wanted to see. Does anyone disagree with the needs identified or the offers out?

I'm still waiting to hear a strategy for THIS roster to win that a superior coach would use to win more than Burke has? Haven't heard a peep yet, just that SOMETHING should work.

I get what you're saying. I just can't fully buy-in to every point you're making about recruiting and lack of talent. At the end of the day if Burke is the guy, you won't hear a negative word from me. While I have my concerns, we could do a lot worse than him.

In regards to strategy, the only way to win with this team as currently constructed is to play the havoc style defense. C.B. barely practiced pressing from what it sounds like and it showed. Burke has seemed to gotten them to be an adequate pressing team in a short amount of time. I would imagine we'd be in a better position right now if they had been practicing that style since October. Like I said, Burke's gameplans and motivation have been pretty impressive for the most part.
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The CAA is a 2-2.3 caliber recruit conference but if you mix in a juco or two along with a guy who develops beyond expectation you can win the CAA. It's a weak conference now and I think headed down going forward which should make it easier to win if you can keep your guys. The new transfer rules will hurt mid majors in this respect I think and further weaken anything other than P5.
Comparing the UNCW roster now to any year is just another way of piling on CB and kissing Keatts ass. It's also a hypothetical that is all about opinions-no thanks.
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(02-20-2020 03:32 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
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(02-19-2020 09:57 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

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So now we are into Moral victories again?

No. Count how many wins in conference C.B. had this year and get back to me.
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(02-20-2020 03:27 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 03:03 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 09:08 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 09:57 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:40 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It’s also that this roster is young too. Keatts got older guys that were more mature and that also helped but he did get some talent for sure.

That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

07-coffee3

To be fair C.B. would've probably gotten waxed with the Keatts teams that 82 posted.

Touche'.
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(02-20-2020 03:52 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(02-19-2020 09:57 PM)82hawk Wrote:  That's my point. Burke is working with a young group that isn't as talented and he's coached them up to beat some teams we couldn't beat before. These aren't his recruits and i'd like to see what we look like with more experience, more size and with recruits Burke brings in. I like what he's doing with what we've got and I don't see that any other coach would do better.

You are completely ignoring that the talent around the league has decreased as well.

Yes, it has. However, that overall decreased talent was still waxing C.B on the regular.

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So now we are into Moral victories again?

No. Count how many wins in conference C.B. had this year and get back to me.
he was terrible. there is no debate Burke has been better. But how much better? Enough to get the job? That is the question
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(02-20-2020 03:37 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:22 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 12:23 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  You stated we need to recruit our way out of where we're at now while referencing the talent Keatts had in multiple posts. Sounds like to me you're saying you that you trust Burke to be able to recruit that caliber of talent. I'm not saying he can't, but with no track record of ever doing so its a bold way of thinking.

The reference to Keatts TEAMS was to have something to compare to talent wise. Yes, they were good, but they weren't CAA undefeated, NCAA third round good. BUT, they were better at EVERY position compared to now. Does anyone seriously believe we have talent, size, experience, depth that is anything past bottom three in the CAA now, even if the rest of the CAA is down as well?

I trust Burke to recruit at a talent level beyond what we have now, not for sure to the level of what we had with Keatts. I've said that multiple times and have no idea how to make it more clear. I expect he could recruit at a level where we are top 3 in the CAA. His passion for the program, connections as a coach for 20 years and knowledge of the game would help. I also don't know who else could recruit to the level of Keatts? At least he TOLD us what he needs and we have offers out to cover those needs. Exactly what many on here wanted to see. Does anyone disagree with the needs identified or the offers out?

I'm still waiting to hear a strategy for THIS roster to win that a superior coach would use to win more than Burke has? Haven't heard a peep yet, just that SOMETHING should work.

I get what you're saying. I just can't fully buy-in to every point you're making about recruiting and lack of talent. At the end of the day if Burke is the guy, you won't hear a negative word from me. While I have my concerns, we could do a lot worse than him.

In regards to strategy, the only way to win with this team as currently constructed is to play the havoc style defense. C.B. barely practiced pressing from what it sounds like and it showed. Burke has seemed to gotten them to be an adequate pressing team in a short amount of time. I would imagine we'd be in a better position right now if they had been practicing that style since October. Like I said, Burke's gameplans and motivation have been pretty impressive for the most part.

Agree on the havoc style as the only real solution to keep us in games. Phillips getting into foul trouble is the biggest risk. And, we don't have a lot of size to stop a team that attacks after breaking the press. Still, I agree it's our best chance to win.
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It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.
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(02-21-2020 12:39 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.

Agree Bill.

Here's my thing with Burke and the whole can he recruit debate. If that dude walked up into my house with his energy level and passion and told me dance in a bathtub full of grandma's potato salad, I'd do it twice.
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(02-21-2020 12:39 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.

Agree Bill.

Here's my thing with Burke and the whole can he recruit debate. If that dude walked up into my house with his energy level and passion and told me dance in a bathtub full of grandma's potato salad, I'd do it twice.

is Grandma's potato salad good? 02-13-banana If so it's a no brainer. Dance first eat , opps i mean ask questions later
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(02-21-2020 10:08 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(02-21-2020 12:39 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.

Agree Bill.

Here's my thing with Burke and the whole can he recruit debate. If that dude walked up into my house with his energy level and passion and told me dance in a bathtub full of grandma's potato salad, I'd do it twice.

He may or may not be a good recruiter and his energy on the sideline may or may not be present when talking with recruits and the families. I could see him being a lot more restrained in a different setting.
He might have to win 2 out of the 3 games to have any chance of getting
the job. His record so far is not good and that is just a fact-like it or not and I don't care about the roster,schedule or any other excuse.
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(02-21-2020 12:39 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.

Agree Bill.

Here's my thing with Burke and the whole can he recruit debate. If that dude walked up into my house with his energy level and passion and told me dance in a bathtub full of grandma's potato salad, I'd do it twice.

He may or may not be a good recruiter and his energy on the sideline may or may not be present when talking with recruits and the families. I could see him being a lot more restrained in a different setting.
He might have to win 2 out of the 3 games to have any chance of getting
the job. His record so far is not good and that is just a fact-like it or not and I don't care about the roster,schedule or any other excuse.

With the way CofC and Drexel are trending we should have a legit chance to win those games. Delaware is going to be tough.
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(02-21-2020 12:39 AM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's a combo guys. You need coaching and you need players-especially bigs. Burke can coach and motivate, can he recruit? Who know's, but he can coach, we know that y'all. The deal is can he get top guys for the CAA and not settle for what he thinks that he can get-need 6'9" not 6' 7 shot blockers? He has the charisma and the vibe and knows the game so we shall see. I like that he's all about it and knows the deal And, he freaking cares which I love and the players/fans love which does matter because it's about momentum. It's up to the AD at this point to me. He has to see the whole picture pretty well at this point given the circumstances.

Agree Bill.

Here's my thing with Burke and the whole can he recruit debate. If that dude walked up into my house with his energy level and passion and told me dance in a bathtub full of grandma's potato salad, I'd do it twice.

His record so far is not good and that is just a fact-like it or not and I don't care about the roster,schedule or any other excuse.

You're a joke. That's ALL you cared about when defending McGrath.
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