(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Academia dismisses USNWR as a joke. That doesn't mean they ignore it because prospective students pay attention. But nobody thinks Georgia is a better school than 70% of the Big 10 just because they are #50 in USNWR.

(02-19-2020 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Academia dismisses USNWR as a joke. That doesn't mean they ignore it because prospective students pay attention. But nobody thinks Georgia is a better school than 70% of the Big 10 just because they are #50 in USNWR.

So UC Santa Barbara and Florida are not better than everyone in the Big 10 not named Northwestern? Rats.

(02-19-2020 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Academia dismisses USNWR as a joke. That doesn't mean they ignore it because prospective students pay attention. But nobody thinks Georgia is a better school than 70% of the Big 10 just because they are #50 in USNWR.

Huh? Georgia has a very solid reputation in academia for good academics. No surprise at all that they compare favorably with many B1G schools.

Not every B1G school is Northwestern or Michigan. USNWR has Georgia at about the same level as Illinois, Penn State, and Ohio State. That's very reasonable.

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Who cares about academic ranking.... Quo, you know as well as any that if "Shyster U" had a football team that could draw enough eyeballs and $$ to a conference, the P5 would fall all over themselves to sign the up regardless of this ranking. This is about money and football, not educatin'....

(02-19-2020 01:16 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:05 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted this in another thread to show the academic rankings of schools in specific conferences.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ran...iversities

The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Who cares about academic ranking.... Quo, you know as well as any that if "Shyster U" had a football team that could draw enough eyeballs and $$ to a conference, the P5 would fall all over themselves to sign the up regardless of this ranking. This is about money and football, not educatin'....

Boise State?

(02-19-2020 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Academia dismisses USNWR as a joke. That doesn't mean they ignore it because prospective students pay attention. But nobody thinks Georgia is a better school than 70% of the Big 10 just because they are #50 in USNWR.

Huh? Georgia has a very solid reputation in academia for good academics. No surprise at all that they compare favorably with many B1G schools.

Not every B1G school is Northwestern or Michigan. USNWR has Georgia at about the same level as Illinois, Penn State, and Ohio State. That's very reasonable.

Georgia is a good school, although I will say that the USNWR methodology seems to prop them a bit up compared to their overall academic reputation. I'd say the same for Florida, Florida State and the University of California schools outside of Berkeley and UCLA. In contrast, Texas and Washington always seem to get dinged in the rankings - almost everyone in academia puts those schools right up there with Michigan/Berkeley/UCLA in terms of public universities. Texas is back in the top 50 this year, but the reality is the academic world puts them significantly higher than where they are in the USNWR.

That being said, the USNWR does have power because the "consumers" of colleges - the parents and students - deem them to be important. People in academia absolutely despise the USNWR rankings (and they're pretty open about that), yet they know that they can't ignore them because the parents and students take them seriously. Part of it is that, despite some of the quibbles about where specific schools are placed (like I noted with Texas and Washington above), the USNWR rankings generally do track pretty closely with real life selectivity. The top 20 or so schools legitimately are the toughest schools in the country to apply to these days, so their rankings at least make some semblance of real world sense. (This is in contrast to rankings that will use metrics to find Harvard and Stanford to be ranked in the 30s, which no one takes seriously.)

(02-19-2020 01:46 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:16 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 05:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The top 3 Florida schools have really made strides. Florida used to be around a #55 school now they are #34. FSU used to be about a #100 school now they are top 60. And USF used to be close to 200 now we are at #104 and knocking on the top 100.

Good job Florida.

US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Who cares about academic ranking.... Quo, you know as well as any that if "Shyster U" had a football team that could draw enough eyeballs and $$ to a conference, the P5 would fall all over themselves to sign the up regardless of this ranking. This is about money and football, not educatin'....

Boise State?

When I wrote the Big Ten Expansion Index, I very purposely awarded either a full set of points for academic reputation or zero points (with nothing in between). Essentially, either a school would academically qualify to be considered for the Big Ten or it wouldn't qualify at all. Academic reputation was (and still is) a first level gatekeeping yes/no determination. Once a school was deemed to be academically qualified, though, then it totally became an exercise about how valuable that school would be in terms of athletics. So, a school like Rice didn't get bonus points for being a super elite academic school. It was put into the same pool of schools that were deemed to be qualified academically, whether it ranged from Nebraska to Rutgers to Maryland to Texas, and those schools were judged by athletic value at that point.

Academics definitely matter in conference realignment, especially to the Power Five conferences that have a real choice in their members. However, it's really a matter of ensuring that the academics clear a certain bar. After a school clears that bar, then it's about what that school brings to the table from an athletic perspective (whether it's performance on the field, a large TV market, a key recruiting area, etc.).

(02-19-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Academics definitely matter in conference realignment, especially to the Power Five conferences that have a real choice in their members. However, it's really a matter of ensuring that the academics clear a certain bar. After a school clears that bar, then it's about what that school brings to the table from an athletic perspective (whether it's performance on the field, a large TV market, a key recruiting area, etc.).

Thing is, though, the bar can go up or down depending on circumstances. E.g., probably no conference is as academically sensitive as the ACC, but in 2012 the ACC invited Louisville, who had bad academics at the time, because circumstances made them desperate to add a good football team.

Big West Conference (2020)
University of California--San Diego
La Jolla, CA
#37

West Coast Conference
University of San Diego
San Diego, CA
#91

Mountain West Conference
San Diego State University
San Diego, CA
#147

Good work, but I feel like if you're going to list the AAC then you should also list the MW (the western variant of the American in my eyes).

USNWR is more of an undergrad type of thing in my eyes. It's not a research metric. FWIW most people don't go to grad school, so there is at least a hint of usefulness in this metric.

(02-19-2020 02:08 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 01:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:21 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 09:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  US News doesn't represent how academics look at things.

But as I mentioned in the other thread, I was surprised how difficult FSU, USF and UCF have become to get into. All were much more difficult than the SEC schools with the exception of Florida, Georgia, Vandy and A&M.

Actually, US News is easily the most important ranking system in academia. That's because it's far and away the most publicized, which is what matters because rankings are all about public prestige. Flaws and all, the USNWR rankings are what matter to chancellors, provosts, deans, etc. Now if you are talking about what faculty care about, they don't care about university rankings per se, they care about the quality of the colleges and departments that they are members of. E.g., I work in a College of Business, and I know that LSU's COB is quite good, significantly better than the reputation of the university as a whole.

Generally speaking, the only ones who dispute this are people associated with schools that have low USNWR rankings but higher rankings in systems that nobody cares about.

Academia dismisses USNWR as a joke. That doesn't mean they ignore it because prospective students pay attention. But nobody thinks Georgia is a better school than 70% of the Big 10 just because they are #50 in USNWR.

Huh? Georgia has a very solid reputation in academia for good academics. No surprise at all that they compare favorably with many B1G schools.

Not every B1G school is Northwestern or Michigan. USNWR has Georgia at about the same level as Illinois, Penn State, and Ohio State. That's very reasonable.

Georgia is a good school, although I will say that the USNWR methodology seems to prop them a bit up compared to their overall academic reputation. I'd say the same for Florida, Florida State and the University of California schools outside of Berkeley and UCLA. In contrast, Texas and Washington always seem to get dinged in the rankings - almost everyone in academia puts those schools right up there with Michigan/Berkeley/UCLA in terms of public universities. Texas is back in the top 50 this year, but the reality is the academic world puts them significantly higher than where they are in the USNWR.

That being said, the USNWR does have power because the "consumers" of colleges - the parents and students - deem them to be important. People in academia absolutely despise the USNWR rankings (and they're pretty open about that), yet they know that they can't ignore them because the parents and students take them seriously. Part of it is that, despite some of the quibbles about where specific schools are placed (like I noted with Texas and Washington above), the USNWR rankings generally do track pretty closely with real life selectivity. The top 20 or so schools legitimately are the toughest schools in the country to apply to these days, so their rankings at least make some semblance of real world sense. (This is in contrast to rankings that will use metrics to find Harvard and Stanford to be ranked in the 30s, which no one takes seriously.)

I agree with all this. No question, there are some outliers in the US News rankings. Texas is regarded in academia as a top-shelf school, up with the very best public schools, and USNWR ranks them too low for some reason. And California publics (th ones other than Cal and UCLA) most haven't heard of are ranked very highly as well.

But that said, and as you note, the UNSWR rankings are taken seriously because the market takes them seriously, and crucially, at the top, they do correspond very closely to not just public but academic perceptions of school quality. We can argue about whether MIT is better than Columbia or vice-versa, but everyone in academia agrees those are top 10 type schools, and they both are in the USNWR top 10.

I found slide shows at the USN&WR website where they rank various college conferences. The slide show titles are "See the Best Colleges Rankings of Big Ten Schools", etc. Each conference's slide show goes from lowest ranked to highest ranked.

Big Ten: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...t-colleges (The link is from 2017 but the rankings are updated to the 2021 rankings).

ACC: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...t-colleges

SEC: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...t-colleges

Pac 12: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...t-colleges (Updated 2019, not 2021)

Big 12: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-co...t-colleges

Tried to find AAC, doesn't look like they have them. Doubt they have the other conferences.

(02-19-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support.

Yes, but the ACC definitely does care about academics, so it was a somewhat bitter pill for the better schools in the conference to swallow to take Louisville. In the end, they knew they had to placate the football schools and take them, but they didn't like it and probably still don't.

Taking Louisville was a defensive/reactive move in a climate of fear and weakness in the conference, it was not a proactive move taken in a time of perceived strength.

I think it is a big deal on internet message boards-- but in all practicality Louisville's academics are not bad enough to be a deal breaker. The ACC raised the specter of academics in the past to keep West Virginia out, but truth be told the problem the conference has against the Mountaineers is cultural in nature.

Well UL's academics were not bad enough to be a deal breaker, because they made the deal. But UL's academics were bad by ACC standards and really by P5 standards. To me, that was just a measure of ACC desperation at the time. They had to hold their nose and do something they never otherwise would have done. That's the reason UL was the last Big East team taken by anyone, B1G or ACC.

As for WV, I agree, there is definitely a cultural bias against them in the ACC, something to do with "hillbillies", "rednecks", etc. Bad stereotyping, IMO.

I don't think ACC members' issue with West Virginia have as much to do with cultural bias as it does with the behavior of Mountaineers' fans. Their former Big East mates don't have many good things to say about them and other ACC members respect their concerns.

(02-27-2021 03:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 09:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 05:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Nobody adds a new member to the conference because of their rankings in the US News and World Report. The ACC made the right move taking Louisville over UConn- their reasoning was athletic success (not just women’s hoops and if we are going there Louisville is no slouch) and fan support.

Yes, but the ACC definitely does care about academics, so it was a somewhat bitter pill for the better schools in the conference to swallow to take Louisville. In the end, they knew they had to placate the football schools and take them, but they didn't like it and probably still don't.

Taking Louisville was a defensive/reactive move in a climate of fear and weakness in the conference, it was not a proactive move taken in a time of perceived strength.

I think it is a big deal on internet message boards-- but in all practicality Louisville's academics are not bad enough to be a deal breaker. The ACC raised the specter of academics in the past to keep West Virginia out, but truth be told the problem the conference has against the Mountaineers is cultural in nature.

Well UL's academics were not bad enough to be a deal breaker, because they made the deal. But UL's academics were bad by ACC standards and really by P5 standards. To me, that was just a measure of ACC desperation at the time. They had to hold their nose and do something they never otherwise would have done. That's the reason UL was the last Big East team taken by anyone, B1G or ACC.

As for WV, I agree, there is definitely a cultural bias against them in the ACC, something to do with "hillbillies", "rednecks", etc. Bad stereotyping, IMO.

I don't think ACC members' issue with West Virginia have as much to do with cultural bias as it does with the behavior of Mountaineers' fans. Their former Big East mates don't have many good things to say about them and other ACC members respect their concerns.

Eh, I remember when USF would travel to West Virginia. I never went but I had no problems with the WV fans. Yes, some of them are some wild fans of the "couch burning" stereotype kind but they are passionate fans and I appreciated them. Lots of college fans are passionate, I wish our fan base was.

WVU fans threatening & attacking fans from other schools seems to be on the downward trend, but even in 2019 it still was happening among a small segment of the WVU fanbase. It’s a shame too, because they have so many great fans who want those idiots to cut it out.

Back when all the shuffling was happening with the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and American, our family was discussing the "academic ramifications" of those movements.

As I have previously posted, my sister holds degrees from North Carolina and N.C. State; my brother, from Indiana and Cincinnati; and my sister-in-law (my brother's wife), from Louisville.

Based strictly on academics related to league affiliations, my brother was very pleased to see the Big Ten add Rutgers and Maryland and reasonably OK with Cincy being in the American; his wife was thrilled to have Louisville heading to the Atlantic Coast; and my sister preferred Cincinnati, UConn or South Florida for the ACC instead of Louisville.

And in case you are curious, all three are highly more knowledgeable about academia and more academically decorated than this schmoe.

(02-19-2020 08:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 02:19 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Academics definitely matter in conference realignment, especially to the Power Five conferences that have a real choice in their members. However, it's really a matter of ensuring that the academics clear a certain bar. After a school clears that bar, then it's about what that school brings to the table from an athletic perspective (whether it's performance on the field, a large TV market, a key recruiting area, etc.).

Thing is, though, the bar can go up or down depending on circumstances. E.g., probably no conference is as academically sensitive as the ACC, but in 2012 the ACC invited Louisville, who had bad academics at the time, because circumstances made them desperate to add a good football team.

Oklahoma/Big 10??? Where the rubber meets the road on academic qualifications trumping potential revenue!

(02-27-2021 09:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Back when all the shuffling was happening with the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and American, our family was discussing the "academic ramifications" of those movements.

As I have previously posted, my sister holds degrees from North Carolina and N.C. State; my brother, from Indiana and Cincinnati; and my sister-in-law (my brother's wife), from Louisville.

Based strictly on academics related to league affiliations, my brother was very pleased to see the Big Ten add Rutgers and Maryland and reasonably OK with Cincy being in the American; his wife was thrilled to have Louisville heading to the Atlantic Coast; and my sister preferred Cincinnati, UConn or South Florida for the ACC instead of Louisville.

And in case you are curious, all three are highly more knowledgeable about academia and more academically decorated than this schmoe.

Let me guess, if your family became a movie you would be played by Christopher Walken? or is it Charles Martin Smith? Which type of schmoe?

(02-27-2021 10:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2021 09:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Back when all the shuffling was happening with the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and American, our family was discussing the "academic ramifications" of those movements.

As I have previously posted, my sister holds degrees from North Carolina and N.C. State; my brother, from Indiana and Cincinnati; and my sister-in-law (my brother's wife), from Louisville.

Based strictly on academics related to league affiliations, my brother was very pleased to see the Big Ten add Rutgers and Maryland and reasonably OK with Cincy being in the American; his wife was thrilled to have Louisville heading to the Atlantic Coast; and my sister preferred Cincinnati, UConn or South Florida for the ACC instead of Louisville.

And in case you are curious, all three are highly more knowledgeable about academia and more academically decorated than this schmoe.

Let me guess, if your family became a movie you would be played by Christopher Walken? or is it Charles Martin Smith? Which type of schmoe?

C. Walken is outstanding in The Deer Hunter. Hard to believe he's now 77. I suppose I would call myself an eccentric schmoe (though that seems contradictory).

(02-27-2021 11:11 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(02-27-2021 10:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-27-2021 09:29 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Back when all the shuffling was happening with the ACC, Big East, Big Ten and American, our family was discussing the "academic ramifications" of those movements.

As I have previously posted, my sister holds degrees from North Carolina and N.C. State; my brother, from Indiana and Cincinnati; and my sister-in-law (my brother's wife), from Louisville.

Based strictly on academics related to league affiliations, my brother was very pleased to see the Big Ten add Rutgers and Maryland and reasonably OK with Cincy being in the American; his wife was thrilled to have Louisville heading to the Atlantic Coast; and my sister preferred Cincinnati, UConn or South Florida for the ACC instead of Louisville.

And in case you are curious, all three are highly more knowledgeable about academia and more academically decorated than this schmoe.

Let me guess, if your family became a movie you would be played by Christopher Walken? or is it Charles Martin Smith? Which type of schmoe?

C. Walken is outstanding in The Deer Hunter. Hard to believe he's now 77. I suppose I would call myself an eccentric schmoe (though that seems contradictory).

Okay, Paul Giamatti it is!