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(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.
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(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

But then you keep climbing after you play them because you don't have a loss on your schedule?! How is that "stupid"?

Say we start off 22. If we are undefeated come Nov 1, wouldn't we be Top 15 by then? If that's the case, as long as we clear the Navy hurdle (which is a BIG one)… how do we slip in the polls, would we not rise continually winning?

2017 - UCF was ranked 25th on 10/7 and climbed to 14 only playing 1 team with a winning record.
2018 - UCF started the season ranked 21st, moved to 10 prior to playing Memphis on 10/13. Only played 1 team with a winning record.

Also, you can't forget that the AAC Championship game is the #1 vs #2 team, no divisions involved.
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Can we please finally beat those SOBs from UCF
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(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

But then you keep climbing after you play them because you don't have a loss on your schedule?! How is that "stupid"?

Say we start off 22. If we are undefeated come Nov 1, wouldn't we be Top 15 by then? If that's the case, as long as we clear the Navy hurdle (which is a BIG one)… how do we slip in the polls, would we not rise continually winning?

2017 - UCF was ranked 25th on 10/7 and climbed to 14 only playing 1 team with a winning record.
2018 - UCF started the season ranked 21st, moved to 10 prior to playing Memphis on 10/13. Only played 1 team with a winning record.

Also, you can't forget that the AAC Championship game is the #1 vs #2 team, no divisions involved.

It is simple common sense. Do you get more credit for beating a 5-0 team at #21 or a 10-0 team at #10? It takes non P5 teams longer to climb in the polls. Playing them and beating them early diminishes the value of the win. Beating those teams in the first 8 games gives less value to the win and there are no quality wins to be had in the last 4 games.

Last year we got no value for our win against unranked Navy the 3rd game of the season. It didn't get us ranked. Let's say we played Navy the last game of the season. They were 10-2 and ranked #23 which included their loss to us. Erase that game, they are 11-1, probably ranked around #15-16 and we get much more value for the win. It isn't debatable.
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(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.
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(02-18-2020 03:14 PM)mairving Wrote:  Are we back in CUSA? Can't think of any other reason to go on the road to play a team that was 4-8 last year.

I know right?! But when we booked @Purdue, it appeared to be a great pick-up. HC Brohm was hot. They beat Ohio State. They played several good teams well. Nothing worse than playing a good team that is not respected...ya know, like our entire conference schedule.
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(02-19-2020 09:24 AM)neillis Wrote:  
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(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.

No, that’s Christmas.
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(02-19-2020 11:22 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 09:24 AM)neillis Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:09 PM)UofMark Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.

No, that’s Christmas.

Why could you not drive down on Friday? Catch the game on Saturday and drive back Sunday? Many people are off work/school that Friday, it actually is a better time to play them there I would think.
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(02-19-2020 09:55 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 03:14 PM)mairving Wrote:  Are we back in CUSA? Can't think of any other reason to go on the road to play a team that was 4-8 last year.

I know right?! But when we booked @Purdue, it appeared to be a great pick-up. HC Brohm was hot. They beat Ohio State. They played several good teams well. Nothing worse than playing a good team that is not respected...ya know, like our entire conference schedule.

Surely you are joking or mean not respected by people on this board?! We had 4 teams ranked at the end of the year and were only the second conference with 5 ten win teams. Our conference actually ranked higher than the ACC in conference strength and were very close to the PAC 12. We had 7 teams that received votes in at least one poll at different times last season, very few conferences can say that, no other G4 can.
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(02-19-2020 01:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:35 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

But then you keep climbing after you play them because you don't have a loss on your schedule?! How is that "stupid"?

Say we start off 22. If we are undefeated come Nov 1, wouldn't we be Top 15 by then? If that's the case, as long as we clear the Navy hurdle (which is a BIG one)… how do we slip in the polls, would we not rise continually winning?

2017 - UCF was ranked 25th on 10/7 and climbed to 14 only playing 1 team with a winning record.
2018 - UCF started the season ranked 21st, moved to 10 prior to playing Memphis on 10/13. Only played 1 team with a winning record.

Also, you can't forget that the AAC Championship game is the #1 vs #2 team, no divisions involved.

It is simple common sense. Do you get more credit for beating a 5-0 team at #21 or a 10-0 team at #10? It takes non P5 teams longer to climb in the polls. Playing them and beating them early diminishes the value of the win. Beating those teams in the first 8 games gives less value to the win and there are no quality wins to be had in the last 4 games.

Last year we got no value for our win against unranked Navy the 3rd game of the season. It didn't get us ranked. Let's say we played Navy the last game of the season. They were 10-2 and ranked #23 which included their loss to us. Erase that game, they are 11-1, probably ranked around #15-16 and we get much more value for the win. It isn't debatable.

It IS debatable. Going in to last year, if you had seen Navy as the last game on the schedule, you would've complained that we are finishing out against 3-10 Navy using your own logic. You don't know how this season will play out. What if UCF was our final game, but they lose to UNC, GA Tech, Cincy and Temple... how does that game help our rankings? Wait, you say there are no value wins in our last 4 games in 2020 and yet Navy, your own example of a value win late in 2019, is one of those teams?! But to prove you were wrong in 2019, Navy DID add value, because we were ranked just one game after that victory. Unless you are saying that our victory over ULM impressed the pollsters that much?!

You can't schedule every game predicting where teams will or won't finish prior to those games being played. THAT is the stupid suggestion. Because nobody, not even the AAC or even you knows what will happen going in to the season.

You apparently can't read or just refuse to! In 2018 UCF climbed from 21 to 10 playing FIVE games. Only 1 of them finished with a winning record. 3 of them had losing records. They actually fell from 9 to 11 after beating Temple. Their second to last game was against #18 Cincy and lifted them 1 spot in the poll. Everything you argue is proven wrong in that one example.

You point is not only debatable it is just flat wrong. Absolutely a P5 climbs the polls quickly. 2014 Mississippi State shot to #1 in the nation because of EARLY season victories over #8 LSU (finished 8-5), #6 Texas A&M (skyrocketed after beating overranked South Carolina first game of the year, but finished 8-5) and #2 Auburn (you guessed it finished 8-5). Those were 3 of their first 6 games. Now if they played those three teams in their last 5 games, just how much would it have helped their rankings?!

Apparently "not debatable" is a very loose definition and common sense isn't all that common.
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(02-19-2020 01:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:35 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

But then you keep climbing after you play them because you don't have a loss on your schedule?! How is that "stupid"?

Say we start off 22. If we are undefeated come Nov 1, wouldn't we be Top 15 by then? If that's the case, as long as we clear the Navy hurdle (which is a BIG one)… how do we slip in the polls, would we not rise continually winning?

2017 - UCF was ranked 25th on 10/7 and climbed to 14 only playing 1 team with a winning record.
2018 - UCF started the season ranked 21st, moved to 10 prior to playing Memphis on 10/13. Only played 1 team with a winning record.

Also, you can't forget that the AAC Championship game is the #1 vs #2 team, no divisions involved.

It is simple common sense. Do you get more credit for beating a 5-0 team at #21 or a 10-0 team at #10? It takes non P5 teams longer to climb in the polls. Playing them and beating them early diminishes the value of the win. Beating those teams in the first 8 games gives less value to the win and there are no quality wins to be had in the last 4 games.

Last year we got no value for our win against unranked Navy the 3rd game of the season. It didn't get us ranked. Let's say we played Navy the last game of the season. They were 10-2 and ranked #23 which included their loss to us. Erase that game, they are 11-1, probably ranked around #15-16 and we get much more value for the win. It isn't debatable.

It doesn't matter when we play Navy. They are one of our last 4 games this year and you said "our last 4 games we play nobodies."
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I am going to be the first person to say this, but it's a hard schedule for the Tigers. Yes, I did say hard.

I fully expect Purdue to be the team in the Big 10 that will show the biggest improvement from the 2019 season to the 2020 season. The can be my dark-horse to represent the Big Ten West in Indianapolis. I think we will play hard, but could very well lose that game solely because it's a road game.
Not a very good time to be playing Houston in September. Yes, the Cougars tanked in 2019 with redshirting almost everyone on their team, so it's going to be tough playing that team because we don't know what to fully expect from them. However, I do believe we will win against the Coogs.
UTSA should be a win based solely on talent. We are much more talented than the Roadrunners, and I do hope the starters take care of business again UTSA for the first 3 quarters, and get that fourth quarter win.
SMU will be tricky. First, this is the game SMU will circled on their schedule. Thursday night doesn't help, and playing back to back road games in a 5 day stretch, won't help either.
UCF game sucks because it's on a Friday night. So, the attendance will be down. But UCF will do everything it takes to win and get back into the AAC championship game. They'll give us everything they have.
Cincinnati will be a loss to me. Another road game where the opposing team will have this game circled, so who knows. Halloween, that tells me it'll be a black out in Cincy, could be cold as well. Better brace yourself to be a road warrior.
Navy to me will be one of the two teams in the AAC championship game. They have the easiest schedule to me. They play Memphis at home, in November where it'll be cold, and their new QB will be experienced. A game where the boys better strap it up, or could get ugly.
Tulane could be a game where the maturity shows. Their QB is a Texas Tech grad transfer that's pretty good when healthy. Could be a tough game when the going gets tough.

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(02-19-2020 04:38 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 11:22 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 09:24 AM)neillis Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:09 PM)UofMark Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.

No, that’s Christmas.

Why could you not drive down on Friday? Catch the game on Saturday and drive back Sunday? Many people are off work/school that Friday, it actually is a better time to play them there I would think.

I think it’s a great time. I’m thinking of going Wednesday and spending thanksgiving there and then go to the game on Saturday.
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(02-19-2020 05:06 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 01:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:35 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

But then you keep climbing after you play them because you don't have a loss on your schedule?! How is that "stupid"?

Say we start off 22. If we are undefeated come Nov 1, wouldn't we be Top 15 by then? If that's the case, as long as we clear the Navy hurdle (which is a BIG one)… how do we slip in the polls, would we not rise continually winning?

2017 - UCF was ranked 25th on 10/7 and climbed to 14 only playing 1 team with a winning record.
2018 - UCF started the season ranked 21st, moved to 10 prior to playing Memphis on 10/13. Only played 1 team with a winning record.

Also, you can't forget that the AAC Championship game is the #1 vs #2 team, no divisions involved.

It is simple common sense. Do you get more credit for beating a 5-0 team at #21 or a 10-0 team at #10? It takes non P5 teams longer to climb in the polls. Playing them and beating them early diminishes the value of the win. Beating those teams in the first 8 games gives less value to the win and there are no quality wins to be had in the last 4 games.

Last year we got no value for our win against unranked Navy the 3rd game of the season. It didn't get us ranked. Let's say we played Navy the last game of the season. They were 10-2 and ranked #23 which included their loss to us. Erase that game, they are 11-1, probably ranked around #15-16 and we get much more value for the win. It isn't debatable.

It IS debatable. Going in to last year, if you had seen Navy as the last game on the schedule, you would've complained that we are finishing out against 3-10 Navy using your own logic. You don't know how this season will play out. What if UCF was our final game, but they lose to UNC, GA Tech, Cincy and Temple... how does that game help our rankings? Wait, you say there are no value wins in our last 4 games in 2020 and yet Navy, your own example of a value win late in 2019, is one of those teams?! But to prove you were wrong in 2019, Navy DID add value, because we were ranked just one game after that victory. Unless you are saying that our victory over ULM impressed the pollsters that much?!

You can't schedule every game predicting where teams will or won't finish prior to those games being played. THAT is the stupid suggestion. Because nobody, not even the AAC or even you knows what will happen going in to the season.

You apparently can't read or just refuse to! In 2018 UCF climbed from 21 to 10 playing FIVE games. Only 1 of them finished with a winning record. 3 of them had losing records. They actually fell from 9 to 11 after beating Temple. Their second to last game was against #18 Cincy and lifted them 1 spot in the poll. Everything you argue is proven wrong in that one example.

You point is not only debatable it is just flat wrong. Absolutely a P5 climbs the polls quickly. 2014 Mississippi State shot to #1 in the nation because of EARLY season victories over #8 LSU (finished 8-5), #6 Texas A&M (skyrocketed after beating overranked South Carolina first game of the year, but finished 8-5) and #2 Auburn (you guessed it finished 8-5). Those were 3 of their first 6 games. Now if they played those three teams in their last 5 games, just how much would it have helped their rankings?!

Apparently "not debatable" is a very loose definition and common sense isn't all that common.

So you think that beating an unranked or not highly ranked 4-0 team has the same value as beating a top 15 team that is is 10-0 or 9-1? Interesting.
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(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.

No, that’s Christmas.

Christmas is more trouble than it's worth now too. I'd imagine that UofMark would rather cancel Thanksgiving, though, because he's the one who has to host everyone for Thanksgiving and all the grandkids are at the point where they just like to make as much noise as possible for the sake of it.
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Christmas has become way too commercialized. For the most part it’s not celebrated for its purpose.
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(02-19-2020 09:05 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  I am going to be the first person to say this, but it's a hard schedule for the Tigers. Yes, I did say hard.

I fully expect Purdue to be the team in the Big 10 that will show the biggest improvement from the 2019 season to the 2020 season. The can be my dark-horse to represent the Big Ten West in Indianapolis. I think we will play hard, but could very well lose that game solely because it's a road game.
Not a very good time to be playing Houston in September. Yes, the Cougars tanked in 2019 with redshirting almost everyone on their team, so it's going to be tough playing that team because we don't know what to fully expect from them. However, I do believe we will win against the Coogs.
UTSA should be a win based solely on talent. We are much more talented than the Roadrunners, and I do hope the starters take care of business again UTSA for the first 3 quarters, and get that fourth quarter win.
SMU will be tricky. First, this is the game SMU will circled on their schedule. Thursday night doesn't help, and playing back to back road games in a 5 day stretch, won't help either.
UCF game sucks because it's on a Friday night. So, the attendance will be down. But UCF will do everything it takes to win and get back into the AAC championship game. They'll give us everything they have.
Cincinnati will be a loss to me. Another road game where the opposing team will have this game circled, so who knows. Halloween, that tells me it'll be a black out in Cincy, could be cold as well. Better brace yourself to be a road warrior.
Navy to me will be one of the two teams in the AAC championship game. They have the easiest schedule to me. They play Memphis at home, in November where it'll be cold, and their new QB will be experienced. A game where the boys better strap it up, or could get ugly.
Tulane could be a game where the maturity shows. Their QB is a Texas Tech grad transfer that's pretty good when healthy. Could be a tough game when the going gets tough.

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(02-20-2020 09:34 AM)neillis Wrote:  
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(02-18-2020 02:04 PM)BrianJ Wrote:  The game at Tulane is Thanksgiving weekend? Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is, unless we want to spend Turkey Day in the Big Easy...)

I wanted to make that Tulane trip also. Maybe in 2022.

Just cancel Thanksgiving. It's more trouble now than it's worth anyways.

No, that’s Christmas.

Christmas is more trouble than it's worth now too. I'd imagine that UofMark would rather cancel Thanksgiving, though, because he's the one who has to host everyone for Thanksgiving and all the grandkids are at the point where they just like to make as much noise as possible for the sake of it.

Yes, we definitely need a new family member, one with a big new house with lot's of room, to step in and relieve us of the responsibility we've had since Clinton was President. We just might make that Tulane trip after all. I've heard a Cajun turkey is something amazing. Somebody else will step up for Thanksgiving...…….won't they? Maybe Grandma who passed it on to us will take it back. She's only 88.
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RE: AAC releases football schedules
The SMU game will be tough. Road game the Saturday before then a Friday night game at SMU! And I am sure they will be gunning for us..

One thing about Friday night is less crowd, but I don't think SMU packs them in..

Got a little faith in Coach Silverfield -- Might be worth a road trip..

Go tigers.
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RE: AAC releases football schedules
(02-18-2020 04:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 04:18 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Weird schedule for us, but it's timed remarkably well.

In my opinion, the schedule is dumb. It doesn't give UCF and Cincinnati and us enough time to get ranked highly and if we beat them, our last 4 games are against nobodies, so we won't get to jump many teams. We will all start in the high teens to mid twenties and won't beat anyone good enough to get much higher before we play. We needed to play those teams at the end when they are both undefeated or only have one loss and are highly ranked.

It is completely ******* STUPID.

We're taking the UT approach to scheduling. Play the easy teams in November, so you finish with a string of wins. It's like playing Kentucky & Vanderbilt in November ever year.
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