(03-05-2020 12:11 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 11:21 AM)Cletus Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 05:14 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-04-2020 04:27 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Be ready for infractions that will blow everyones mind.. The NCAA is so crooked I wouldn’t put anything past what we might get.. UNC, and other Bluebloods get nothing with knowingly having major violations, but we will get something ridiculous.. Still blows my mind that Wiseman was penalized from money Penny spent on his Families moving expenses when he wasn’t even the Coach here..

What did UNC do that was major violations?

And UNC got away with it.

Former UNC basketball star Rashad McCants details the academic fraud that he says he and some of his teammates participated in while playing for the Tar Heels' 2005 national championship team.

McCants said that Roy Williams knew about it 100%.





UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

Chapel Hill, North Carolina (CNN)For 18 years, thousands of students at the prestigious University of North Carolina took fake "paper classes," and advisers funneled athletes into the program to keep them eligible, according to a scathing independent report released Wednesday.

"These counselors saw the paper classes and the artificially high grades they yielded as key to helping some student-athletes remain eligible," Kenneth Wainstein wrote in his report. He conducted an eight-month investigation into the scandal, which has plagued the university for nearly five years.

Four employees have been fired and five more disciplined because of their roles. One other former employee had honorary status removed, Chancellor Carol Folt said Wednesday.

Wainstein is the former federal prosecutor hired by UNC to independently investigate the academic fraud brought to light by CNN, the Raleigh News & Observer and other media outlets.

In all, the report estimates, at least 3,100 students took the paper classes, but adds the number "very likely falls far short of the true number."

For the first time since the scandal first came to light five years ago, UNC admitted that the wrongdoing went further than academics and involved its athletic programs.
In fact, Folt said, "it was a university issue."

Quote:Former University of North Carolina learning specialist Mary Willingham, who blew the whistle on a two-decade “paper classes” scheme intended to keep student-athletes at the school eligible, said some of the athletes she worked with were unable to read, yet they were admitted to the university because of their athletic prowess.

“When I went to the University of North Carolina as a learning specialist, I didn’t expect to have to teach kids to read,” she said. “... I had athletes who were so unprepared for the course work, they were working on reading — reading letters and sounds. They didn’t know. They were just passed along and we took them in the front door of the institution and promised them, in exchange for their talent, that we were going to provide them with a world-class education.

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NCAA doesnt control curriculum. As long as the classes were available to all students, then it is not an NCAA violation.

As far as, athletes not being able to read... welcome to college sports.


I took karate classes at Memphis St., got A's and barely showed up. How about that?

i took 2 semesters of bowling, best classes ever under the old kroger, could even bring your own cooler to class.

(03-05-2020 12:11 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA doesnt control curriculum. As long as the classes were available to all students, then it is not an NCAA violation.

That's the line they hid behind. But anyone with eyes can see.

Look at the ratio of athletes in those make-believe classes, compared to other real classes.

Look at the person who was involved in setting up those classes.

(03-05-2020 03:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:11 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA doesnt control curriculum. As long as the classes were available to all students, then it is not an NCAA violation.

That's the line they hid behind. But anyone with eyes can see.

Look at the ratio of athletes in those make-believe classes, compared to other real classes.

Look at the person who was involved in setting up those classes.

That is true...

But you would think that kids actually paying for school and going for an education would take worthwhile classes. Athletes...Not so much.

(03-04-2020 08:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 03:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 02:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:52 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Baugh and Lomax are the same offensively. Give me the 6'4/6'3 guard over the sub 6 ft guard every single time

Right now, they are not the same offensively. Lomax beats Baugh in every single offensive category. Per 30 minutes, A-lo scores 3 more points and dishes almost 2 more assists, with higher shooting percentages.

This time next year, I project Baugh will have caught him. He has more upside, and is already ahead of Lomax's frosh numbers. But right now, Lomax is better offensively.

Defensively - tough call - would depend on the matchup. Lomax is getting more steals on fewer fouls. They are both good rebounders, but Baugh is better due to length.

They are the same offensively. They just are. They shoot about the same percentage. They turn it over about the same.

The biggest difference is Lomax averages more shot attempts. If Baugh shot more his numbers would be better.

Baugh is clearly the better option and should be the guy on the floor to close games out.

Again every time Lomax enters the offense immediately stalls and then down the stretch in games Lomax is the guy Penny chooses to close it out. Yet people wonder why the offense at the end of games goes in the tank.

Defensively its Baugh all day.

Again give me the guard that is 6'3/6'4 over the guard who sub 6ft

The numbers show A-lo is more advanced offensively than Baugh is right now. Every category.

And (source: macgar) the efficiency numbers support this as well:

Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

lineup efficiency

This doesn't appear to have aged well...

eh?

First, it was simply stats. No hot take to qualify for aging well or otherwise.

Second, the offensive stats are still pretty much what they were. A-lo has better numbers in every single offensive category than Baugh does, over 40 minutes played. Not sure what the lineup efficiencies look like now - that's macgar's thing. But I'm guessing they're still pretty similar in offensive efficiency, since neither player has done much.

I've said over and over I like Baugh. I think he certainly has more upside than A-lo and if A-lo isn't going to run the offense properly, give Baugh the minutes. I'm just pointing out to the one guy who insisted that Baugh and Alex are the same offensively, that they just are not.

(03-04-2020 08:26 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 03:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 03:27 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 02:40 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:52 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Baugh and Lomax are the same offensively. Give me the 6'4/6'3 guard over the sub 6 ft guard every single time

Right now, they are not the same offensively. Lomax beats Baugh in every single offensive category. Per 30 minutes, A-lo scores 3 more points and dishes almost 2 more assists, with higher shooting percentages.

This time next year, I project Baugh will have caught him. He has more upside, and is already ahead of Lomax's frosh numbers. But right now, Lomax is better offensively.

Defensively - tough call - would depend on the matchup. Lomax is getting more steals on fewer fouls. They are both good rebounders, but Baugh is better due to length.

They are the same offensively. They just are. They shoot about the same percentage. They turn it over about the same.

The biggest difference is Lomax averages more shot attempts. If Baugh shot more his numbers would be better.

Baugh is clearly the better option and should be the guy on the floor to close games out.

Again every time Lomax enters the offense immediately stalls and then down the stretch in games Lomax is the guy Penny chooses to close it out. Yet people wonder why the offense at the end of games goes in the tank.

Defensively its Baugh all day.

Again give me the guard that is 6'3/6'4 over the guard who sub 6ft

The numbers show A-lo is more advanced offensively than Baugh is right now. Every category.

And (source: macgar) the efficiency numbers support this as well:

Top 2 most used lineups

PA, DB, Boogie, Q, Lance
Offense : Poss 65.2, Points 58 : Offensive Eff .8896 pts per poss
Defense : Poss 65.2, Points 63 : Defensive Eff. .9663 pts per poss

PA, Boogie, Q, Lance, Alo
Offense : Poss 42.8, Points 59 : Offensive Eff. 1.3785
Defense : Poss 47.4, Points 43 : Defensive Eff. .9072

It is not even close when you swap Lomax for Baugh

lineup efficiency

This doesn't appear to have aged well...

Since Every game from First UCF

Top 2 most used lineups.
['ACHIUWA,PRECIOUS', 'BAUGH,DAMION', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'THOMAS,LANCE']
Offensive Eff: .9858 Defensive Eff: .8506 (+.1352 points per possession)
Possessions 126.8
Points 125
Points Allowed 107
Opp. Shooting 32%
Def Reb % 70%

['ACHIUWA,PRECIOUS', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'LOMAX,ALEX', 'QUINONES,LESTER', 'THOMAS,LANCE'] (Best Lineup per possession)
Offensive Eff: 1.2925 Defensive Eff: .9317 (+.3608 points per possession)
Possessions: 58.8
Points 76
Points Allowed 60
Opp. Shooting 35%
Def Reb % 75%

So even today the numbers say the Lomax Lineup is a better offensive lineup...Heck even overall.

In 50 more possessions the starting lineup is only 2 points better than the Lomax lineup (+18 vs. +16)

Now when you throw Tyler in the lineup thats when the **** hits the fan (3rd most used lineup)
['ACHIUWA,PRECIOUS', 'DANDRIDGE,MALCOLM', 'HARRIS,TYLER', 'LOMAX,ALEX', 'QUINONES,LESTER']
Offensive Eff: .8679 Defensive Eff: 1.0547 (-.1868 points per possession)
Possessions: 58.8
Points 46
Points Allowed 54
Opp. Shooting 37.5%
Def Reb % 59.5%

4th Most
['ACHIUWA,PRECIOUS', 'ELLIS,BOOGIE', 'HARRIS,TYLER', 'LOMAX,ALEX', 'QUINONES,LESTER']
Offensive Eff: .8286 Defensive Eff: 1.3060 (-.4774 points per possession)
Possessions: 35
Points 29
Points Allowed 35
Opp. Shooting 44.4%
Def Reb % 83%

Now you pick who is holding the team back

(03-05-2020 03:31 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 03:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-05-2020 12:11 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  NCAA doesnt control curriculum. As long as the classes were available to all students, then it is not an NCAA violation.

That's the line they hid behind. But anyone with eyes can see.

Look at the ratio of athletes in those make-believe classes, compared to other real classes.

Look at the person who was involved in setting up those classes.

That is true...

But you would think that kids actually paying for school and going for an education would take worthwhile classes. Athletes...Not so much.

I mean, if you have to choose between Anthropology or some other soft science that you will have to actually attend class, study and fret about or some fake soft science class that you do nothing for but get a grade, I can definitely see the appeal.