(02-17-2020 09:33 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Perhaps it is perception or timing bias on my part but we seem to miss a ton of front end one and one free throws which is a killer, especially down the stretch.

Yeah I have commented several times that it seems that way to me as well. Really hurts since we lose additional opportunities.

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

Confidence is a big part of FT shooting, but the guys don't have Wiseman on the brain when they step to the line. It's focus and technique. You either have it or you don't.

I remember when Shaq had that FT coach who sat behind the bench. TV cameras were on that guy every time Shaq went to the line. It was brick city with or without the "coach."

(02-16-2020 09:00 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  The issue is mostly mental. Most of them have good form.

Adrenalin may be one of the culprits. They clang a lot of shots off the back of the rim, especially Precious and Dandridge. If they would back off the line 2 or 3 inches it might make a difference.

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

I agree.

It is insane to blame any of the guys individual performances on Wismean leaving...

If people want to use Wiseman as a firewall to protect Penny from the preseason expectations I can see that...But to say guys are not doing X or Y because Wiseman is not here is just plain silly at this point.

Whatever we do, don't do the John Calipari method of sitting on the edge of your bed and imagining them going in.

John Wooden taught to imagine a small Leprechaun sitting on the front of the rim. You just wanted to tip him over into the basket, true story.

Maybe we should envision Little Penny mocking us on the front of the rim and tip him over.

(02-18-2020 09:57 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  John Wooden taught to imagine a small Leprechaun sitting on the front of the rim. You just wanted to tip him over into the basket, true story.

Maybe we should envision Little Penny mocking us on the front of the rim and tip him over.

That’s a good one! It might just work.

We sure need help with the free throws closing the game. Put lil penny up there.

18 of 31 (58.1%) from the free throw line against ECU.. You got to be kidding me!

(02-20-2020 01:07 AM)passat25 Wrote:  18 of 31 (58.1%) from the free throw line against ECU.. You got to be kidding me!

Again it's a mental thing. Precious, Boogie, Lester, Lomax, Harris, Lance, all have good form, but for whatever reason they are missing.

(02-20-2020 09:26 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-20-2020 01:07 AM)passat25 Wrote:  18 of 31 (58.1%) from the free throw line against ECU.. You got to be kidding me!

Again it's a mental thing. Precious, Boogie, Lester, Lomax, Harris, Lance, all have good form, but for whatever reason they are missing.

Watch them at the line they have no rhythm. When they are stepping up to the line they are looking everywhere but the rim, talking to teammates, etc. It is like they are just getting up to the line and casually tossing up a shot in warm ups. Almost all of their "routines" looked rushed, again like they are just getting up their reps in practice to say they shot 100 free throws. As soon as they shoot they are looking away, wanting to slap hands and whatever else. It is purely a focus issue. I do wonder in practice if they are actually practicing game style shooting and routines or if they just have a quota of free throws they have to get up in practice before they can leave.

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

The Wiseman excuse reason ends next season.

I agree that it's a stretch to say Wiseman is causing FT issues.

But the reason it continues to be offered is because so many can't seem to grasp how YUGELY it impacted the season. I have a long list of HOF caliber coaches who struggled losing their best player. Can you provide a comparable list of teams who lost 2 of their top 4 guys and succeeded?

(02-21-2020 11:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

The Wiseman excuse reason ends next season.

I agree that it's a stretch to say Wiseman is causing FT issues.

But the reason it continues to be offered is because so many can't seem to grasp how YUGELY it impacted the season. I have a long list of HOF caliber coaches who struggled losing their best player. Can you provide a comparable list of teams who lost 2 of their top 4 guys and succeeded?

If you can provide a reason why your question is relevant to my response which was directed to free throw shooting? I made no comment about the team's record or Penny's coaching at all...

(02-21-2020 11:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 11:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

The Wiseman excuse reason ends next season.

I agree that it's a stretch to say Wiseman is causing FT issues.

But the reason it continues to be offered is because so many can't seem to grasp how YUGELY it impacted the season. I have a long list of HOF caliber coaches who struggled losing their best player. Can you provide a comparable list of teams who lost 2 of their top 4 guys and succeeded?

If you can provide a reason why your question is relevant to my response which was directed to free throw shooting? I made no comment about the team's record or Penny's coaching at all...

My question is relevant because your post is about much more than FT shooting. Don't pretend. You asked "where does the excuse end". You even took the time to put the dead-horse-thingy.

So the obvious implication is that you are tired of hearing about Wiseman, and you don't understand why it continues to be brought up. Therefore, I told you why it continues to be brought up. And that is because so many negative nellies seem to shrug it off like it was no big deal.

It's strange when people here make one post and then go passive aggressive and defend that one post - like we can't recall other posts and form a bigger picture.

I’m sorry but we are still the youngest and least experienced team in the game!!

(02-21-2020 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 11:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 11:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 11:14 PM)griffin Wrote:  Since Wiseman announced he was not coming back, the entire team has lost a lot of confidence in a lot of things. I would assume this carries over to the FT shooting as well.

Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

The Wiseman excuse reason ends next season.

I agree that it's a stretch to say Wiseman is causing FT issues.

But the reason it continues to be offered is because so many can't seem to grasp how YUGELY it impacted the season. I have a long list of HOF caliber coaches who struggled losing their best player. Can you provide a comparable list of teams who lost 2 of their top 4 guys and succeeded?

If you can provide a reason why your question is relevant to my response which was directed to free throw shooting? I made no comment about the team's record or Penny's coaching at all...

My question is relevant because your post is about much more than FT shooting. Don't pretend. You asked "where does the excuse end". You even took the time to put the dead-horse-thingy.

So the obvious implication is that you are tired of hearing about Wiseman, and you don't understand why it continues to be brought up. Therefore, I told you why it continues to be brought up. And that is because so many negative nellies seem to shrug it off like it was no big deal.

It's strange when people here make one post and then go passive aggressive and defend that one post - like we can't recall other posts and form a bigger picture.

All I can say is you are reading way too much into what I posted. You just took 3 paragraphs extrapolating a one sentence post...

And if you think I am “negative Nellie” then you don’t recall most of my posts correctly. But no, I am not willing to blame poor free throw shooting on James Wiseman leaving.

(02-21-2020 11:43 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 11:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-21-2020 11:34 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2020 08:05 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Please stop. Goodness, Wiseman leaving is now being used as an excuse for poor free throw shooting. Where in the hell does the Wiseman excuse end?

The Wiseman excuse reason ends next season.

I agree that it's a stretch to say Wiseman is causing FT issues.

But the reason it continues to be offered is because so many can't seem to grasp how YUGELY it impacted the season. I have a long list of HOF caliber coaches who struggled losing their best player. Can you provide a comparable list of teams who lost 2 of their top 4 guys and succeeded?

If you can provide a reason why your question is relevant to my response which was directed to free throw shooting? I made no comment about the team's record or Penny's coaching at all...

My question is relevant because your post is about much more than FT shooting. Don't pretend. You asked "where does the excuse end". You even took the time to put the dead-horse-thingy.

So the obvious implication is that you are tired of hearing about Wiseman, and you don't understand why it continues to be brought up. Therefore, I told you why it continues to be brought up. And that is because so many negative nellies seem to shrug it off like it was no big deal.

It's strange when people here make one post and then go passive aggressive and defend that one post - like we can't recall other posts and form a bigger picture.

All I can say is you are reading way too much into what I posted. You just took 3 paragraphs extrapolating a one sentence post...

And if you think I am “negative Nellie” then you don’t recall most of my posts correctly. But no, I am not willing to blame poor free throw shooting on James Wiseman leaving.

(02-17-2020 04:32 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-17-2020 03:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  The fact that they're making the back end of a 2 shot FT tells me it's not stamina late-game; it's focus, pure & simple.

Agree. They don’t seem to take their time and concentrate. They seem to step up to the line and shoot without thought.

Exactly, in a hurry to get nowhere....