https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/48...ig-mistake

The race to the left is never ending among the Dems.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden said the fact that the Obama administration deported 3 million undocumented immigrants, many of whom had no criminal records, “was a big mistake.”

“We took far too long to get it right,” the Democratic presidential candidate said in a Friday interview with Univision’s Jorge Ramos in Henderson, Nevada.

Biden said the administration did not begin to “get it right” with regard to immigration until after its first term. The former vice president also did dispute that the administration deported more people than any administration before them as well as the Trump administration, though that fact has been widely reported on since he and Obama left office...."

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

His "support" has never been a real thing. Everyone just sorta viewed him as "Uncle Joe" and he's just the default choice for feeling like the "safest" to beat Trump. The only 2 pitches he's offered are "I rode Obama's coattails for 8 years" and "I'm the most electable." The most electable pitch goes straight into the ditch when you start losing badly, and the "return to Obama" pitch doesn't work because he's not Obama. Obama had a Bill Clinton-like charm and ability to connect to people that all these other clowns who try it can't pull off.

(02-16-2020 11:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

His "support" has never been a real thing. Everyone just sorta viewed him as "Uncle Joe" and he's just the default choice for feeling like the "safest" to beat Trump. The only 2 pitches he's offered are "I rode Obama's coattails for 8 years" and "I'm the most electable." The most electable pitch goes straight into the ditch when you start losing badly, and the "return to Obama" pitch doesn't work because he's not Obama. Obama had a Bill Clinton-like charm and ability to connect to people that all these other clowns who try it can't pull off.

nailed it....that's the other caveat too many discount as valid....

the dems are in the pickle barrel thinking like monkeys in the other barrel at this point....

and to be brutally honest, nobody likes that more than thine....

(02-16-2020 12:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

His "support" has never been a real thing. Everyone just sorta viewed him as "Uncle Joe" and he's just the default choice for feeling like the "safest" to beat Trump. The only 2 pitches he's offered are "I rode Obama's coattails for 8 years" and "I'm the most electable." The most electable pitch goes straight into the ditch when you start losing badly, and the "return to Obama" pitch doesn't work because he's not Obama. Obama had a Bill Clinton-like charm and ability to connect to people that all these other clowns who try it can't pull off.

nailed it....that's the other caveat too many discount as valid....

the dems are in the pickle barrel thinking like monkeys in the other barrel at this point....

and to be brutally honest, nobody likes that more than thine....

There's nobody who really has charisma and an ability to connect. Mayor Pete is probably the closest, but he comes off as too programmed. Kind of like a smarter Marco Rubio.

(02-16-2020 02:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 12:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

His "support" has never been a real thing. Everyone just sorta viewed him as "Uncle Joe" and he's just the default choice for feeling like the "safest" to beat Trump. The only 2 pitches he's offered are "I rode Obama's coattails for 8 years" and "I'm the most electable." The most electable pitch goes straight into the ditch when you start losing badly, and the "return to Obama" pitch doesn't work because he's not Obama. Obama had a Bill Clinton-like charm and ability to connect to people that all these other clowns who try it can't pull off.

nailed it....that's the other caveat too many discount as valid....

the dems are in the pickle barrel thinking like monkeys in the other barrel at this point....

and to be brutally honest, nobody likes that more than thine....

There's nobody who really has charisma and an ability to connect. Mayor Pete is probably the closest, but he comes off as too programmed. Kind of like a smarter Marco Rubio.

CIA Pete is just doing a bad Obama impersonation. Bernie does have the ability to connect. It's in a different way than Obama and Bill Clinton. Those 2 just had the ability to turn on the charm and make you believe when they were giving a speech that they were talking directly to you. They could make you believe in what they said even if they said essentially nothing. Bernie's charm is that he's 100% authentic in who he is, and has been the exact same thing his entire public life. You can hate everything he stands for, but you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he stands for it. You know Bernie isn't going to just all of a sudden try to be something he isn't to win political points. Every other person in the field I fully believe would sell out any principle they claim to stand by for a certain amount of money or for an increased chance to win. Like is there a single position that you could say any of the other candidates wouldn't compromise/flip flop on for the right price? Authenticity is one of the big things Trump has. Sure he lies constantly, but he never really pretends he's not a liar and he has yet to sell out or flip on a position he claimed to stand for.

(02-16-2020 02:51 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Bernie does have the ability to connect. It's in a different way than Obama and Bill Clinton. Those 2 just had the ability to turn on the charm and make you believe when they were giving a speech that they were talking directly to you. They could make you believe in what they said even if they said essentially nothing.

I never understood what people saw in Clinton/Obama, either. For every minute they held center-stage, I just thought they were trying to sell me something I didn’t want and didn’t ask for. At least with Obama, I could get the whole FirstBlackPresident thing. I understood why people thought that was important in terms of America’s historical journey. I thought it was important, too, but the reaction of 2008-2009 represented nothing but an exercise in mass hysteria. And all the media fawning! Whatever residual trust/respect I had for America’s mainstream media evaporated during that time.

On an individual/human level, all I saw (Clinton/Obama) were politicians who wanted to hang out with celebrities and eventually become celebrities themselves. And hey — they did it. Good for them. But it’s not like we benefited from it.

Quote:Bernie's charm is that he's 100% authentic in who he is, and has been the exact same thing his entire public life. You can hate everything he stands for, but you know beyond a shadow of a doubt he stands for it. You know Bernie isn't going to just all of a sudden try to be something he isn't to win political points.

All true.

I actually liked Bill okay as president. Yes, he was a sleazebag of a person, but I don't hire presidents to be moral paragons, I hire them to run the country, and he did a pretty good job of that. At least I never had any idea that he might be a socialist/communist (unlike Obama), at least until after he was out of office.

(02-16-2020 02:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 12:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again now. I just don’t understand what is propping up Biden’s campaign. I don’t get what his supporters see in him — when they watch an interview like that with Ramos — that makes them think, “Yeah, that’s who I want to be President.”

You never really know for sure how these things are going to shake out. I didn’t really think Trump had it until he crushed the Florida primary 4 years ago. But for now, I think the scene after Super Tuesday will be “Sanders vs. ________”. Could be Biden but I’d bet on Bloomberg for now.

His "support" has never been a real thing. Everyone just sorta viewed him as "Uncle Joe" and he's just the default choice for feeling like the "safest" to beat Trump. The only 2 pitches he's offered are "I rode Obama's coattails for 8 years" and "I'm the most electable." The most electable pitch goes straight into the ditch when you start losing badly, and the "return to Obama" pitch doesn't work because he's not Obama. Obama had a Bill Clinton-like charm and ability to connect to people that all these other clowns who try it can't pull off.

nailed it....that's the other caveat too many discount as valid....

the dems are in the pickle barrel thinking like monkeys in the other barrel at this point....

and to be brutally honest, nobody likes that more than thine....

There's nobody who really has charisma and an ability to connect. Mayor Pete is probably the closest, but he comes off as too programmed. Kind of like a smarter Marco Rubio.

yep....he's just a smidgen smoother in delivery...

THE GREAT WHITE DOPE

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

Anyone who thinks Biden is a centrist is a moron.

(02-16-2020 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually liked Bill okay as president. Yes, he was a sleazebag of a person, but I don't hire presidents to be moral paragons, I hire them to run the country, and he did a pretty good job of that. At least I never had any idea that he might be a socialist/communist (unlike Obama), at least until after he was out of office.

outside of NAFTA, it's pretty difficult to argue the efficacy during billy bob's tenure...especially when one views the other donks since JFK during their 'moment in the sun'

he's easily the last of the donks to work in tandem in bipartisan fashion with congress...the reason??? he really didn't have a choice.....that's the ol' skool version of checks and balances...

those days are dead....

this is why I believe Cuban is the best chance they have going into '24....the question is, will the 'familia' come with another 'veto vote'....

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

Anyone who thinks Biden is a centrist is a moron.

I'm A centrist....he doesn't come close to passing the sniffer going though the turnstile...

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually liked Bill okay as president. Yes, he was a sleazebag of a person, but I don't hire presidents to be moral paragons, I hire them to run the country, and he did a pretty good job of that. At least I never had any idea that he might be a socialist/communist (unlike Obama), at least until after he was out of office.

outside of NAFTA, it's pretty difficult to argue the efficacy during billy bob's tenure...especially when one views the other donks since JFK during their 'moment in the sun'

he's easily the last of the donks to work in tandem in bipartisan fashion with congress...the reason??? he really didn't have a choice.....that's the ol' skool version of checks and balances...

those days are dead....

this is why I believe Cuban is the best chance they have going into '24....the question is, will the 'familia' come with another 'veto vote'....

Well it was the tradition with Democrats controlling the House for 40 years straight. Then the Dems got over it.

(02-16-2020 04:33 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually liked Bill okay as president. Yes, he was a sleazebag of a person, but I don't hire presidents to be moral paragons, I hire them to run the country, and he did a pretty good job of that. At least I never had any idea that he might be a socialist/communist (unlike Obama), at least until after he was out of office.

outside of NAFTA, it's pretty difficult to argue the efficacy during billy bob's tenure...especially when one views the other donks since JFK during their 'moment in the sun'

he's easily the last of the donks to work in tandem in bipartisan fashion with congress...the reason??? he really didn't have a choice.....that's the ol' skool version of checks and balances...

those days are dead....

this is why I believe Cuban is the best chance they have going into '24....the question is, will the 'familia' come with another 'veto vote'....

Well it was the tradition with Democrats controlling the House for 40 years straight. Then the Dems got over it.

yep....and too many wonder why it has become 'today's version' of politics....

(02-16-2020 04:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

Anyone who thinks Biden is a centrist is a moron.

I'm A centrist....he doesn't come close to passing the sniffer going though the turnstile...

You are really gonna have to explain your "centrist" positions to me if we are going to be painting never met a war he didn't like/perfectly willing to cut medicare/avid supporter of locking up anyone and everyone Slow Joe as a Leftie.

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

Anyone who thinks Biden is a centrist is a moron.

I really would like to know who would be an example for you as a politician truly "in the center." If you don't have a name then just kinda what you would define as centrist positions?

(02-16-2020 05:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 11:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  These centrist candidates think they can pander left and get people. It's not gonna work. All it does it prove neither the left nor the center can actually trust you. They are starting to get internal numbers that show them holy crap Bernie isn't just strong because of "Bernie Bro's" but because he has a broad base of support among people of every race. He's crushing polling among Latino voters. The great black firewall for Biden is eroding before our eyes. The ploys and attempts to stop what's coming are getting more pathetic and transparent by the day.

Anyone who thinks Biden is a centrist is a moron.

I really would like to know who would be an example for you as a politician truly "in the center." If you don't have a name then just kinda what you would define as centrist positions?

Joe Manchin and Susan Collins are centrists. The only reason you think Joe Biden is a centrist is because you are a blind supporter of a millionaire "socialist". Hopefully you've donated to his campaign early and often so he can buy another house.

(02-16-2020 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 05:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I really would like to know who would be an example for you as a politician truly "in the center." If you don't have a name then just kinda what you would define as centrist positions?

Joe Manchin and Susan Collins are centrists. The only reason you think Joe Biden is a centrist is because you are a blind supporter of a millionaire "socialist". Hopefully you've donated to his campaign early and often so he can buy another house.

Those would be my two. There used to be a lot of them, not any more.

(02-16-2020 04:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-16-2020 03:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually liked Bill okay as president. Yes, he was a sleazebag of a person, but I don't hire presidents to be moral paragons, I hire them to run the country, and he did a pretty good job of that. At least I never had any idea that he might be a socialist/communist (unlike Obama), at least until after he was out of office.

outside of NAFTA, it's pretty difficult to argue the efficacy during billy bob's tenure...especially when one views the other donks since JFK during their 'moment in the sun'

he's easily the last of the donks to work in tandem in bipartisan fashion with congress...the reason??? he really didn't have a choice.....that's the ol' skool version of checks and balances...

those days are dead....

this is why I believe Cuban is the best chance they have going into '24....the question is, will the 'familia' come with another 'veto vote'....

Bill's biggest "accomplishment" was just not screwing the economy up too much--he essentially rode the dot com boom/bubble along while he played in the Oval office. He never really stood for much but came across (at least at first) as a relatively likable doofus you'd have a beer with--that is until you got to know him. he was only a good president in comparison to other mediocre to poor presidents. He had no ounce of greatness in him, and as log as he got his name in the history books he really didn't seem to care to.