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Meanwhile, in the feel-good story dept.:

‘King Felix’ showing Braves he may not be finished

Anyone out there who doesn't want him to make it back with the Braves?

Quote: Hernandez’s third outing is harder to dismiss. The Rays had five regulars in their lineup on Tuesday. Two of them, Brandon Lowe and Yandy Diaz, hit sharp singles in the first inning. Nate Lowe hit a sacrifice fly. That was it for hard contact allowed by Hernandez over four innings.

The Rays produced six base runners against Hernandez and scored one run. Hernandez had to navigate the lineup. That’s what kind of pitcher he’ll have to be to stay in the majors.
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so this is crazy. Nets fired their coach today.

The coach/manager in NYC's 9 pro teams right now. That's right, Aaron Boone.
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this should bring a smile to Brooke's face-

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something big to watch tonight

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(03-07-2020 09:33 PM)stever20 Wrote:  this should bring a smile to Brooke's face-


So far we've seen very good results from Graterol, Price, and Kershaw among others on the pitching staff. Outside of a couple guys, not super impressed with the offense so far. For those of you keeping score at home... Spring Training is a GREAT indicator of how well pitchers will do BUT it's not very meaningful for hitters.

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Man, I saw Buehler trending on twitter and was like Oh crap.

Just a lot of folks talking about the Dodgers rotation, with Kershaw going 1 and Buehler 2.
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(03-09-2020 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Man, I saw Buehler trending on twitter and was like Oh crap.

Just a lot of folks talking about the Dodgers rotation, with Kershaw going 1 and Buehler 2.

Yeah, it's being treated as *really big news* that Kershaw will get the opening day start, and most mentions also list the other 4 guys in the rotation. But let's face it - Kershaw would've had to be hurt to not get the start. And for what it's worth, Kershaw's velo this spring started in the low 90s. He barely got out of the high 80s last year, so there's some optimism. Buehler looks fine but I think the rotation's success is gonna hinge on Price. Boston had to pay LA to take him so the deal treated him like a throw-in but the Dodgers are counting on him to be solid. There is depth behind him if he struggles but Price's ceiling (even in his age 35 season) is higher than any 2020 Dodgers pitcher behind him.
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(03-09-2020 05:26 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(03-09-2020 04:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Man, I saw Buehler trending on twitter and was like Oh crap.

Just a lot of folks talking about the Dodgers rotation, with Kershaw going 1 and Buehler 2.

Yeah, it's being treated as *really big news* that Kershaw will get the opening day start, and most mentions also list the other 4 guys in the rotation. But let's face it - Kershaw would've had to be hurt to not get the start. And for what it's worth, Kershaw's velo this spring started in the low 90s. He barely got out of the high 80s last year, so there's some optimism. Buehler looks fine but I think the rotation's success is gonna hinge on Price. Boston had to pay LA to take him so the deal treated him like a throw-in but the Dodgers are counting on him to be solid. There is depth behind him if he struggles but Price's ceiling (even in his age 35 season) is higher than any 2020 Dodgers pitcher behind him.

Kershaw's earned the Opening Day Start. Beyond that, there is really no difference in the order as they will likely have the same amount of start opportunities. (Same with #3)
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oh boy....

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(03-10-2020 10:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  oh boy....


Apparently he has regular flu and not coronavirus.
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(03-09-2020 03:04 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Talk about a home town discount! Yelich deferred salary is gonna be paid until he's 50.

Bobby Bonilla cries in his sleep tonight.
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(03-09-2020 12:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  something big to watch tonight


Please don't take opening day away from us!!!!!

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This really seems to be a huge over-reaction. Avg age of death from this not-even-close-to-as-deadly-as-regular-flu bug is currently 80. I don't know that many octogenarians who are regularly getting out to sports events and hitting the town. While some are in good shape, a lot stay close to home and watch games remotely anyway. Also at risk are the very young, babaies--few of which seem to go out to games. Finally, those that are very ill or siockly in the first place, and few if any of them are hanging out at ballparks or ballgames rather than convalescing at home or a hospital or clinic. So who is this for? If kershaw or Acuna, Jr. gets the virus, they are on DL for a week or two, stay home, drink fluids and are back--maybe a little longer than if they get the regular flu, but they are in less danger from this coronabug than ther regular flu.

One of the few benefits of the current hystria this may help, and I'm willing to bet the effects are only temporarily, is the millions of folks who go to public places and public restrooms and do not even attempt to wash their hands at all, much less taking 20-30 seconds to vigorously wash with soap and dry them. Men are notoriously failing to do this, but many more women than you think also do not wash their hands or wash them thoroughly. If we'd all simply learn better daily nhygeine habits we could cut medical care costs and the effects of these bugs down by a significant factor.

I'll disagree with these decisions, as I think there are a few agendas behind them, but cancelling or delaying these events seems rash and irresponsible needlessly stoking fear at a level unwarranted. If levels of deaths approach the actual flu (I think one figure I've seen is annaully around 60,0000 regular flu deaths per season just in US alone--whereas this bug has only around 40 deaths so far--and regular flu kills younger folks but this virus seesm most dangerous primarily for folks around 80) I'll reassess. Most guidance from medical experts are that even those who actually become infected with this corona may not even see any significant symptoms, if at all, and most all will overcome it normally. Other than chicken noodle soup sales spiking, there really doesn't appear to be the need for any major economic or societal disruption effects.
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I agree there is a degree of panic and over-reaction in what we're seeing right now, but I think you are downplaying the math. The mortality rate for this virus is already greater than influenza. If we wait for actual deaths to approach flu, it'll be too late. The concern right now is how contagious this virus is. You may not be worried about 80 year olds going to ballgames, but maybe we should worry about a Dad going to a ballgame, sitting next to a guy who was in Italy last week, then going home to kiss his kid goodnight, then that kid sharing his lunch at school the next day, and THAT kid hugging his 80 year old grandmother the next day.

Look at the math of Rudy Gobert: How many teams did he face in the last two weeks, and how many teams did those teams face after playing the Jazz? I can't find it now but it's a huge portion of the NBA. For a contact sport like basketball it seems prudent to take a beat and see how this plays out.

Many of us (myself included) have been spending a lot of energy comparing this virus to the flu but the big difference between the two is that a vaccine exists for the flu. No, it's not perfect but MANY people get it and that has a significant impact on its spread and severity.

As much as I want to see the Dodgers play I've kind of resigned myself to this being a reasonable course of action. I'd like to think we can suffer a bit of inconvenience and a (hopefully) minor economic hit, create enough time for a vaccine to be tested and distributed, then get back to normal. ish.
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For most people, if they even get the coronabug, it will be a few to several days in bed-rest and they'll get back on their feet. For athletes, same story, perhaps less as they are in better shape than many of us as top athletes. For the elderly, I am more concerned with their poor diet and hygiene habits than I am with this. My elderly dad got the flu many times over the last several years of his life and survived. But what did end up causing the heart attack that killed him was all the pastries and high-cholesterol foods he was eating. When he got the flu, was forced to eat better and get more regular rest, he actually felt better for a while before he recovered and went back to his bad habits. I guess that would mean I'd be against hot dogs at ballparks, but everything in moderation seems the best strategy in life, and this overreaction is anything but. So just have one, don't ban them for the season.

As to the NBA, see my recommendations for how they could use this opportunity to repair their broken game in the other thread. The Jazz guys are likely in no grave danger even if they have it.

As to vaccines for the vast majority, the flu will run its course regardless. A can of soup and rest will do just as good if not more. But then, that's not a panic, then a test, then some pills, then some doctor visits, and we can't have common sense, now can we because there's no money in common sense and taking care of yourself?

Is it really not reasonable to think if everyone (not possible but play along) actually washed their hands thoroughly multiple times daily, especially after using the restrooms and before eating, we would see a massive reduction in national sickness, disease transmission and medical costs? Much like we are seeing with the price of oil, medical costs are being artificially propped up needlessly, in this case due to irresponsible actions rather than a cartel.

To the subject of the thread, I say: "Play Ball!" and if feel sick, don't come to the park. If you do come, keep yourself and others clean, and enjoy your hot dog!
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You either didn't read my post or you decided you'd rather respond to points I didn't raise. The idea here is to not let this spread to folks with already compromised health. I'm sorry your dad ate too much pastry. But why pile a virus on top of heart disease? That's EXACTLY the kind of thing we want to avoid. The numbers are still evolving but covid-19 at the moment appears to be at least twice as contagious as the flu.

It's well and good to grump that people don't wash their hands enough - it's probably true! - but you're guessing at the kind of impact that will have. Not to mention: How exactly would you make that happen? Right now?
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(03-13-2020 11:39 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  You either didn't read my post or you decided you'd rather respond to points I didn't raise. The idea here is to not let this spread to folks with already compromised health. I'm sorry your dad ate too much pastry. But why pile a virus on top of heart disease? That's EXACTLY the kind of thing we want to avoid. The numbers are still evolving but covid-19 at the moment appears to be at least twice as contagious as the flu.

It's well and good to grump that people don't wash their hands enough - it's probably true! - but you're guessing at the kind of impact that will have. Not to mention: How exactly would you make that happen? Right now?

How? Well, there's the rub, isn't it? (pardon the pun). It would seem to be up to individuals to decide, kinda like more of us used to in the formative years of the country. I'm not particularly as worried about contagiousness as I am about deadliness. This appears to be more than survivable for most people, except the most vulnerable, who are also susceptible to a number of other things they could get or develop equally or more deadly, and can and do get passed to them the same ways that few seem nearly as concerned about. I'm not suggesting acting irresponsibly cavalier, but neither am I agreeing in participating in a needless panic created in a proportion out-sized to the situation.

As it relates to baseball, I see no harm in allowing games to continue as normal. Now, can they take measures such as sanitizing pumps around everywhere, signs reminding people to wash their hands even more prevalent on bathroom doors and inside, regular announcements on the P.A., near food stations, even on chair-backs? Sure, that's reasonable. Perhaps some info booths, or even check stations at the gate to take people's temperatures as they enter before they go through the normal security stations, that's be fine. The athlete's themselves are in top shape--monitor them, and DL the ones who are sick, but let the games go on. My point is there has been no indication this is Anthrax or some such, and there is no need to over-react. Keep the elderly and at-risk away, and promote hand-cleaning and good hygiene--use it as a group opportunity. Have a 3rd-inning in-seat towelette moment so everyone can practice together and normalize good self-care, setting a good example for the kids in the stands.

Show me where those at risk at home are tremendously more in danger of dying from this than a multitude of other pathogens, viruses and diseases that they can and do get transmitted to them anyway--I have yet to see such information. I think the one thing this exposes more than anything is how poorly too many people take care of themselves. Seems it speaks more to parenting and schooling if anything. The only real effective pill or test for that would seem to be taking individual responsibility not seeking band-aid panic solutions, that's all I'm saying. This is not, as Fred said 'the big one, 'Weezy.'
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(03-13-2020 12:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Show me where those at risk at home are tremendously more in danger of dying from this than a multitude of other pathogens, viruses and diseases that they can and do get transmitted to them anyway--I have yet to see such information.

Wow. Have you considered (numeric) risk at all? Look, my parents are 84 and 89 and in ok health but they're really freaking old so every illness takes a bigger toll and is harder to overcome. They've got the expected assortment of health concerns for people their age. Are you trying to tell me that a new virus that is apparently highly contagious, doesn't increase their risk of serious illness or death? BY DEFINITION, a new health risk, even if that risk is lower than existing risks, increases total risk.

Quote:I think the one thing this exposes more than anything is how poorly too many people take care of themselves. Seems it speaks more to parenting and schooling if anything. The only real effective pill or test for that would seem to be taking individual responsibility not seeking band-aid panic solutions, that's all I'm saying. This is not, as Fred said 'the big one, 'Weezy.'

You've already acknowledged the challenge here. You can't rely on others to keep you or your loved ones from getting sick. This is yelling at clouds.
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(03-13-2020 12:37 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 12:10 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Show me where those at risk at home are tremendously more in danger of dying from this than a multitude of other pathogens, viruses and diseases that they can and do get transmitted to them anyway--I have yet to see such information.

Wow. Have you considered (numeric) risk at all? Look, my parents are 84 and 89 and in ok health but they're really freaking old so every illness takes a bigger toll and is harder to overcome. They've got the expected assortment of health concerns for people their age. Are you trying to tell me that a new virus that is apparently highly contagious, doesn't increase their risk of serious illness or death? BY DEFINITION, a new health risk, even if that risk is lower than existing risks, increases total risk.

5 to one, one to 5, nobody here gets out alive, Brookes. My last one's in her 80's as well, but I'm under no illusion she'll live forever and neither is she. A child dying before a parent: tragic. An elderly person dying after a full life: sad, but part of this mortal coil. So be careful as reasonably you would with, say, the regular flu, a regular cold, or any other number of ailments. But live.

Heck, there may be a new bug tomorrow, newer than this one. An asteroid may bring one to earth, a Star may explode, a tidal wave may come, a drought, a flood, on and on. I just can't be one of those people who lives my life in fear. Courage is fear that's said it's prayers. maybe the lack of courage we see here speaks volumes to our nations move away fro such things?

I mean, I don't like it when the Braves lose, but hey, in the end it's part of the game.


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Quote:I think the one thing this exposes more than anything is how poorly too many people take care of themselves. Seems it speaks more to parenting and schooling if anything. The only real effective pill or test for that would seem to be taking individual responsibility not seeking band-aid panic solutions, that's all I'm saying. This is not, as Fred said 'the big one, 'Weezy.'

You've already acknowledged the challenge here. You can't rely on others to keep you or your loved ones from getting sick. This is yelling at clouds.

I'm don't believe I'm "relying" on others to not get me or mine sick--I think perhaps you might be, though. I assume I and my loved ones will get sick from various things from time to time--even this. Eventually they will die of something or another--perhaps this or something else. I don't wish it, I'm not gunning for it, but I'm just not so afraid of it like your post above seems to suggest, and so many others out there are and being ginned up to be right now. That's the part that is just plain ridiculous to me. The overreaction to this is the actual yelling at clouds. Again, that thing about courage is fear that has said it's prayers. I'm not the greatest at that, but I do practice it.

They call it panic, but peace doesn't mean freedom from the storm, it means freedom within the storm. I guess not a lot of folks know that kind of stuff any more. Shame.
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