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(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bernie is actually going to be the nominee, isn't he?

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Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.
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(02-22-2020 08:12 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  [Image: jc4ojk65lki41.jpg?width=640&heig...bbc51e81a9]

Earlier today with 3% of the vote in, Gabbard had all of 18 votes. But she had 1 in the 2nd round. Now with 27%, she has 112 votes, but zero in the 2nd round. Doesn't lead you to believe they have gotten the count right on the major candidates when there is such an obvious error.
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(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bernie is actually going to be the nominee, isn't he?

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Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I did think it was odd that they let someone who was not a Democrat in Congress run as a Democrat.
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(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bernie is actually going to be the nominee, isn't he?

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Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.
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(02-22-2020 11:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bernie is actually going to be the nominee, isn't he?

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Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I did think it was odd that they let someone who was not a Democrat in Congress run as a Democrat.

Well they do claim to have a big tent. They believe if they can get black folks to vote for Spartacus, the gays to vote for Buttiguy, the Hispanics to vote for Beto and the communist to vote for Bernie they may have a chance to upset Trump and the Russians. But they can’t run 4 people against Trump so I guess Putin will win the Facebook war again....
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If Bernie wins the whole enchiladas, he’ll turn 80 during his first year in office, so his VP running mate selection will be particularly significant. Especially given that Bernie had a heart attack last year.

Probably too much to ask for him to select someone reasonably centrist to balance out the ticket a bit. Figure it’ll instead be a blathering “woke” AOC type.

Trump ain’t a spring chicken either, but he is 5 years younger, looking at a second term, and hasn’t had the aforementioned heart attack.
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(02-23-2020 07:54 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If Bernie wins the whole enchiladas, he’ll turn 80 during his first year in office, so his VP running mate selection will be particularly significant. Especially given that Bernie had a heart attack last year.

Probably too much to ask for him to select someone reasonably centrist to balance out the ticket a bit. Figure it’ll instead be a blathering “woke” AOC type.

Trump ain’t a spring chicken either, but he is 5 years younger, looking at a second term, and hasn’t had the aforementioned heart attack.

I sadly agree. About the best progressive he could pick would be Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin. But he'll probably pick someone like Nina Turner, which would be an unmitigated disaster.
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(02-22-2020 11:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  The Dems wouldn't do that b/c Bernie has too many followers. That would have split the party before they even started this time.

They would have been better to force the split in December 2016 then spent the last 3+ years rebuilding their party then waiting until 4 months before the presidential election to do it.

I’m not sure Bernie is electable with or without the Democratic establishment. Unlike Trump, who managed to pull the Independent vote and got Democrats to crossover, Bernie’s message won’t resonate with middle America. It will play well on the coasts but here in the heartland, and you know this as well as I do, Bernie will sound more like the chairman of the Communist Party than the presidential candidate of the Democratic Party.
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Bernie would win the popular vote, as Hillary did. We'll see if America gets screwed by the electoral college again.
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(02-22-2020 11:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:19 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Bernie is actually going to be the nominee, isn't he?

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Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.

I agree it's a huge hunk, but my point is, there is a big split in the party, which could have ramifications in November.

Now if you want to throw in "Progressive" with "Socialist," then yeah, that's practically everybody, as far as raising their hands to sign onto the New Green Deal and other loony ideas.

But I'm looking at it as most of them (Biden, Bloomie, Booty, Klob, Steyer, etc.) all opposing Bernie's nomination, plus reports all over the place that "establishment" Dems are freaking out, b/c they don't think Bernie can beat Trump.

Last night and this morning, I have seen several prominent Dems say, even on MSNBC and CNN, that Bernie's nomination will fracture the Dem Party.

My impression right now is the "No Bernie" Dem faction is a lot larger than the Never Trumper bunch in 2016.

It will be interesting to see how much support any Dem candidate now gets when it comes to November, and whether the losing faction of the Dem party will run as a 3rd party, especially if Bernie doesn't get it.
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(02-23-2020 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Unless they can figure out how to screw him out of it without making 30-40% of their base mad.

The DNC has done a terrible job managing their Bernie issue. They should have told him in late 2016 / 2017 to take his Socialist movement somewhere else. It might have made his core group of supporters angry in then but the problem would have been dealt with.

Now that they have allowed the Bernie problem to grow, it will take on a life of its own.

Super Tuesday will tell the tale. If Bernie performs on March 3rd like he did today, time to whizz on the fire and call in the dawgs, it’s over.

I predict you are gonna see some strange bedfellows come the fall supporting Bernie and Trump.

I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.

I agree it's a huge hunk, but my point is, there is a big split in the party, which could have ramifications in November.

Now if you want to throw in "Progressive" with "Socialist," then yeah, that's practically everybody, as far as raising their hands to sign onto the New Green Deal and other loony ideas.

But I'm looking at it as most of them (Biden, Bloomie, Booty, Klob, Steyer, etc.) all opposing Bernie's nomination, plus reports all over the place that "establishment" Dems are freaking out, b/c they don't think Bernie can beat Trump.

Last night and this morning, I have seen several prominent Dems say, even on MSNBC and CNN, that Bernie's nomination will fracture the Dem Party.

My impression right now is the "No Bernie" Dem faction is a lot larger than the Never Trumper bunch in 2016.

It will be interesting to see how much support any Dem candidate now gets when it comes to November, and whether the losing faction of the Dem party will run as a 3rd party, especially if Bernie doesn't get it.

while the current version in division is tough to argue, it's also equitable the dems will align with the bern simply based on momentum alone....what else can they do outside a brokered convention w/o a viable candidate....bloomy wouldn't stand a chance....that's apparent at this point...

that's what evil slime does as gravity takes over....the never trump-a-tears were simply too stupid to see the bigger picture coming off the starting line....

regardless, it's gonna be fonzies watching how it plays out....

if they have something hidden up their sleeve at this point, it would be impressive that hasn't leaked by now...they could take a stab at moo-moochelle or cankles....however, that would be a nut roasting too....

their biggest misstep was not snagging Cuban early and choosing booty boy toy as their 'great white gay dope' using the obama black faced mantra as their guide....
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(02-23-2020 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.

I agree it's a huge hunk, but my point is, there is a big split in the party, which could have ramifications in November.

Now if you want to throw in "Progressive" with "Socialist," then yeah, that's practically everybody, as far as raising their hands to sign onto the New Green Deal and other loony ideas.

But I'm looking at it as most of them (Biden, Bloomie, Booty, Klob, Steyer, etc.) all opposing Bernie's nomination, plus reports all over the place that "establishment" Dems are freaking out, b/c they don't think Bernie can beat Trump.

Last night and this morning, I have seen several prominent Dems say, even on MSNBC and CNN, that Bernie's nomination will fracture the Dem Party.

My impression right now is the "No Bernie" Dem faction is a lot larger than the Never Trumper bunch in 2016.

It will be interesting to see how much support any Dem candidate now gets when it comes to November, and whether the losing faction of the Dem party will run as a 3rd party, especially if Bernie doesn't get it.

while the current version in division is tough to argue, it's also equitable the dems will align with the bern simply based on momentum alone....what else can they do outside a brokered convention w/o a viable candidate....bloomy wouldn't stand a chance....that's apparent at this point...

that's what evil slime does as gravity takes over....the never trump-a-tears were simply too stupid to see the bigger picture coming off the starting line....

regardless, it's gonna be fonzies watching how it plays out....

if they have something hidden up their sleeve at this point, it would be impressive that hasn't leaked by now...they could take a stab at moo-moochelle or cankles....however, that would be a nut roasting too....

I agree with all that. My impression is, assuming Bernie gets the nod, that enough actual Dem voters will fall by the wayside, or even flip to Trump, that it will be impossible for Bernie to win. Maybe impossible for a "moderate" candidate or a convention surprise to win, as well, b/c Bernie bros sure as hell aren't going along with that in big numbers.
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(02-23-2020 09:14 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Bernie would win the popular vote, as Hillary did. We'll see if America gets screwed by the electoral college again.

...can someone with more patience than I explain to our leftist friends how this whole Presidential Election thingy works. You would think after 230 plus years they would have figured it out, but they still appear to be confused. The sky screaming is gonna' be epic when Trump drops about 350 Electoral votes on em.
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(02-23-2020 10:17 AM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 09:14 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Bernie would win the popular vote, as Hillary did. We'll see if America gets screwed by the electoral college again.

...can someone with more patience than I explain to our leftist friends how this whole Presidential Election thingy works. You would think after 230 plus years they would have figured it out, but they still appear to be confused. The sky screaming is gonna' be epic when Trump drops about 350 Electoral votes on em.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-the-e...862d73fd70

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu...ters-18331

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...t-outdated

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl...32499.html
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(02-23-2020 09:31 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 09:18 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 11:12 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 09:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I dont think Bernie is the problem at all. The problem is the Democratic Party has been "Bernie" for a long time---they just have been careful not to say it out loud. Long ago---the left used to run away from the "liberal" name tag. Not so anymore. The conventional wisdom on the left has similarly been to run away from the "Socialist" name tag. Instead---they like to use the less stigmatized "progressive" name plate. The actual difference between the Bernie agenda and the "progressive" agenda is pretty much zilch.

But it's not totally Bernie. Looks like a real split to me. That's why Bloomie is trying to pick up the moderate banner.

It’s not the whole party—-but that wing of the party is now as big as the middle used to be. We can quibble over percentages—but the Progressive/Socialist wing now represents a huge hunk of the party.

I agree it's a huge hunk, but my point is, there is a big split in the party, which could have ramifications in November.

Now if you want to throw in "Progressive" with "Socialist," then yeah, that's practically everybody, as far as raising their hands to sign onto the New Green Deal and other loony ideas.

But I'm looking at it as most of them (Biden, Bloomie, Booty, Klob, Steyer, etc.) all opposing Bernie's nomination, plus reports all over the place that "establishment" Dems are freaking out, b/c they don't think Bernie can beat Trump.

Last night and this morning, I have seen several prominent Dems say, even on MSNBC and CNN, that Bernie's nomination will fracture the Dem Party.

My impression right now is the "No Bernie" Dem faction is a lot larger than the Never Trumper bunch in 2016.

It will be interesting to see how much support any Dem candidate now gets when it comes to November, and whether the losing faction of the Dem party will run as a 3rd party, especially if Bernie doesn't get it.

while the current version in division is tough to argue, it's also equitable the dems will align with the bern simply based on momentum alone....what else can they do outside a brokered convention w/o a viable candidate....bloomy wouldn't stand a chance....that's apparent at this point...

that's what evil slime does as gravity takes over....the never trump-a-tears were simply too stupid to see the bigger picture coming off the starting line....

regardless, it's gonna be fonzies watching how it plays out....

if they have something hidden up their sleeve at this point, it would be impressive that hasn't leaked by now...they could take a stab at moo-moochelle or cankles....however, that would be a nut roasting too....

their biggest misstep was not snagging Cuban early and choosing booty boy toy as their 'great white gay dope' using the obama black faced mantra as their guide....

If Kasich had dropped out after South Carolina as he should have, I think Cruz or Rubio would have won the Republican nomination. But the non-Trump vote kept getting split. And Kasich's whole approach in South Carolina was to pull votes from Jeb, which was enough to keep Rubio ahead of Jeb, so Jeb dropped out.

You've got something similar with Klobuchar who should have dropped out after blowing her wad and finishing 5th in neighboring Iowa. Then she was a distant 3rd in New Hampshire. No reason to continue.
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Weird stuff with the votes. Still only 60%. When it was 27%, there were more 2nd round votes than first round votes. Now its back to a few more 1st round votes.
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For a while I wanted Warren out and thought it would help Bernie. Yet she's still here and it's not harming him in the slightest. I want her to remain around now just to keep landing haymakers on the lil Oligarch. As the massive front runner now Bernie doesn't really need to get bogged down in going all out negative on the little troll too much, so just let Warren (who very obviously has a visceral hatred for Bloomy) do it. It's the only thing that's given her any kind of positive bump in months, every time she goes hard at Bernie it blows up in her face, so I expect her to double down on Bloomy smack.
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(02-23-2020 11:02 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  For a while I wanted Warren out and thought it would help Bernie. Yet she's still here and it's not harming him in the slightest. I want her to remain around now just to keep landing haymakers on the lil Oligarch. As the massive front runner now Bernie doesn't really need to get bogged down in going all out negative on the little troll too much, so just let Warren (who very obviously has a visceral hatred for Bloomy) do it. It's the only thing that's given her any kind of positive bump in months, every time she goes hard at Bernie it blows up in her face, so I expect her to double down on Bloomy smack.

Yeah, in the last debate, Warren went after Bloomie full force, but she also fired shots at everybody else...except Bernie.
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(02-23-2020 09:14 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Bernie would win the popular vote, as Hillary did. We'll see if America gets screwed by the electoral college again.

I love it when some genius gets slap in the face with the fish he’s swinging.
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(02-23-2020 11:06 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 11:02 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  For a while I wanted Warren out and thought it would help Bernie. Yet she's still here and it's not harming him in the slightest. I want her to remain around now just to keep landing haymakers on the lil Oligarch. As the massive front runner now Bernie doesn't really need to get bogged down in going all out negative on the little troll too much, so just let Warren (who very obviously has a visceral hatred for Bloomy) do it. It's the only thing that's given her any kind of positive bump in months, every time she goes hard at Bernie it blows up in her face, so I expect her to double down on Bloomy smack.

Yeah, in the last debate, Warren went after Bloomie full force, but she also fired shots at everybody else...except Bernie.

In her speech after the Nevada Caucus she pivoted almost immediately to bashing Bloomy over the head again. I think she views this as the only thing that can work for her going forward, as attacks on Bernie by her don't work. Right now despite conventional wisdom thinking otherwise she's helping Bernie.
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